Doping in other sports?

[deviant]

being in where?
netherlands is second in the medal table behind germany.
china are ninth.
not normal.
china big, holland small.

Doesnt always work like that, the size of a country and population is only half the story....economic investment, popularity of certain sports etc is often more important.

If it was always down to size then Russia, China and the US would always be there or thereabouts (and they are) but why arent Brazil, India, Indonesia, ****stan, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Vietnam featuring prominently in the medals tables?....they all have massive populations and would be considered bigger than Holland, UK, Germany etc etc....

....its about research into sport, buying in expertise, funding, public support etc etc.

 

[sniper]

Doesnt always work like that, the size of a country and population is only half the story....economic investment, popularity of certain sports etc is often more important.

If it was always down to size then Russia, China and the US would always be there or thereabouts (and they are) but why arent Brazil, India, Indonesia, ****stan, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Vietnam featuring prominently in the medals tables?....they all have massive populations and would be considered bigger than Holland, UK, Germany etc etc....

....its about research into sport, buying in expertise, funding, public support etc etc.

indeed it is...

 

[The Hitch]

I dont think this is even doping because, what the ****, Vaultier came back from an injury that takes 6 months to walk again and 10 months to run, to win a gold medal, in 2 months?

 

[roundabout]

Not sure whether to put it here or in the Horner thread, but it seems Pechstein still wants to continue competing until 2018.

Date of birth 22nd February 1972.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Not sure whether to put it here or in the Horner thread, but it seems Pechstein still wants to continue competing until 2018.

Date of birth 22nd February 1972.

It seems they both have the same born with blood anomaly...
Very happy that Pechstein didn´t win a medal.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Not sure whether to put it here or in the Horner thread, but it seems Pechstein still wants to continue competing until 2018.

Date of birth 22nd February 1972.

The whole concept is just embarrassing.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

It seems they both have the same born with blood anomaly...
Very happy that Pechstein didn´t win a medal.

Agreed......

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Philip Fenton steroids case adjourned until after Cheltenham Festival

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/feb/20/philip-fenton-steroids-case-adjourned

 

[gooner]

Philip Fenton steroids case adjourned until after Cheltenham Festival

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/feb/20/philip-fenton-steroids-case-adjourned

At least he has Michael O'Leary's support.

 

[mikeoneill]

At least he has Michael O'Leary's support.

looks that way
RYANAIR FIRST IRISH AIRLINE TO ALLOW PEDS ON ALL FLIGHTS

http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryan...rtable-electronic-devices-peds-on-all-flights

 

[Catwhoorg]

UKAD adds another Rugby Union player to the banned list
(2 years)

Substance Clomiphene. He said it was to help with intimacy issues in his relationship.

(I was scanning the list to see if JTL's case was posted, the panel in this case met in October, we still may have a bit of a wait)

 

[Aapjes]

being in where?
netherlands is second in the medal table behind germany.
china are ninth.
not normal.
china big, holland small.

A bunch of speed skaters went to China earlier this winter when the China had really, really cold weather to enjoy the perfect outdoor ice. Chinese people watched, but only the Dutch skated. The Chinese simply do not have a winter sports culture. Instead they have a gazillion people playing ping pong, winning them 4 medals or so at the summer Olympics. If they focused on winter sports like they focus on ping pong, they would be at the top of the medal ranking.

Norway right now has 1 medal less than the Dutch and yet they have 1/3rd of the population. It's a simple fact that both countries focused on sports that have many different variants at the Olympics, so a focused investment can pay dividends. The Netherlands has more speed skating rinks than any other country and the biggest viewer audience with all the benefits that it brings (sponsoring, great respect for skaters, a lot of young talent). So it would be weird if the Dutch wouldn't dominate to some extent. Another factor is that cycling training is great for speed skating (some pro skaters go to Tenerife for training camps!), so every school kid that cycles to school (pretty much every Dutch kid) gets free skate training already.

The reasons why the Dutch are extremely dominant this time around:
- For a long time there was the idea that the Dutch couldn't do sprints because of wrong genetics and the small Asians would always dominate there. After Vancouver an attempt was made to train some Dutch riders specifically for it, it was a unexpected success with a sweep at the 500m.
- The early sprint medals put the Dutch in a winning mood. When a athlete sees so many around him succeed, it automatically makes them believe in their chances more and they take an extra step. Not wanting to be the 'only' one without a medal is a major motivator.
- Luck
- Other countries having less talent than usual (Germany, Norway, Russia).
- Other countries messing up (the US, Koreans and Russians all underperformed). Everyone expected Shani Davis to get gold on the 1000m, but he was way off the podium. None of the world cup events before the Olympics had this kind of dominance of the Dutch. So clearly other countries really messed up to have their worst results at the Olympics.
- The Dutch being more serious. In 2006 and 2010 the men didn't train specifically for the team pursuit, thinking that having the best 4 riders would be enough. They failed to win gold both times. This time around they trained a lot for it. That shows that they don't take things for granted like they used to.

None of this means that the Dutch aren't doping of course, but the results are hardly proof. And I guarantee you that the Dutch will have far fewer medals in 4 years time...and the Norwegians almost certainly will be way ahead again with a population of 5 million.

 

[Cloxxki]

Shall I say it? Canadian and American bobsled ladies out-push all of Europe, and win despite sketchy descends. No European sled on the podium.
From what I've seen the North American ladies had very full muscles on them.
Discuss.

Disclaimer : a club mate of mine braked a European sled, so I'm more partial even than usual.

 

[wansteadimp]

Shall I say it? Canadian and American bobsled ladies out-push all of Europe, and win despite sketchy descends. No European sled on the podium.
From what I've seen the North American ladies had very full muscles on them.
Discuss.

Disclaimer : a club mate of mine braked a European sled, so I'm more partial even than usual.

Are you suggesting that former Olympic level sprinters may have been near the PEDS, shame on you?

The commentator on the BEEB day time job is an athletics commentator all we got was a potted history of the brakeladies history in Olympics and Athletics WC.

So there was Lolo Jones, the lady from the US bob that finished second an ex 100m world champ, the Canadian who was MVP at a rugby WC and should have won golds in Athletics except for injuries, Jana Pitman, an Australian with Golds in WC at 400m hurdles, then a few others who I've forgotten.

As we know Athletics is notoriously free from PEDS

 

[The Hitch]

As we know Athletics is notoriously free from PEDS

According to the results of the letsrun poll posted upthread, unfortunately a majority of people seem to think so.

 

[Andynonomous]

Strong curlers ?

Have a look at the bulky upper bodies of the Olympic curling gold medal winners from Canada.

These guys look a lot like UFC fighters.

Of course, curling is an accuracy sport (like golf, billiards, darts,...) where skill is far more important than strength. But still, how do these guys find the time to lift weights, when they should be practising their shot-making ?


If curling, golf, table tennis have gone to the dark-side, what does that suggest for sports like grand-tour cycling, cross-country skiing, long distance speed-skating, triathlon, marathon where stamina is extremely important ?

 

[therhodeo]

Have a look at the bulky upper bodies of the Olympic curling gold medal winners from Canada.

These guys look a lot like UFC fighters.

Of course, curling is an accuracy sport (like golf, billiards, darts,...) where skill is far more important than strength. But still, how do these guys find the time to lift weights, when they should be practising their shot-making ?


If curling, golf, table tennis have gone to the dark-side, what does that suggest for sports like grand-tour cycling, cross-country skiing, long distance speed-skating, triathlon, marathon ?

There are guys that look like that in every gym on the planet. I've got 2 nephews that because of genetics, very physical jobs, and free time spent lifting and grilling steaks have bigger arms and chest than them.

 

[Andynonomous]

There are guys that look like that in every gym on the planet. I've got 2 nephews that because of genetics, very physical jobs, and free time spent lifting and grilling steaks have bigger arms and chest than them.

Yep, they "work harder" than the other competitors. Just like Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, Rafael Nadal, Serena Williams,...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Shall I say it? Canadian and American bobsled ladies out-push all of Europe, and win despite sketchy descends. No European sled on the podium.
From what I've seen the North American ladies had very full muscles on them.
Discuss.

Disclaimer : a club mate of mine braked a European sled, so I'm more partial even than usual.

I guess if you have former world champs in sprint as your pusher, and another black (stunningly beautiful I must say) lady pushing the bobsled was also a sucsesful track runner, the start times are fastest by logic. Add in better material than for example the germans have this season, you automatically win besides bad technique by the drivers. That´s bobsled. A material war like in formula 1.
I highly doubt Lauryn Williams would dope for bobsled. She might would if still competing for track world championships...

 

[go crazy]

That is odd, that those Canadian curlers are as big as they are. I don't see any reason or benefit to doping in Curling, other than being a magician with the broom (LOL, curling!).

As far as the bobsled, USA 1 put up the best start numbers, but still lost the last two runs to the Canadians, who had slower start numbers. I think bobsled has a LOT to do with the sled, and with BMW USA advertising the heck out of "their" bobsled, I think that has way more to do with USA's success over their bad drivers. Not to say they don't dope, but not many of those girls looked "normal". They are all huge.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I guess if you have former world champs in sprint as your pusher, and another black (stunningly beautiful I must say) lady pushing the bobsled was also a sucsesful track runner, the start times are fastest by logic. Add in better material than for example the germans have this season, you automatically win besides bad technique by the drivers. That´s bobsled. A material war like in formula 1.
I highly doubt Lauryn Williams would dope for bobsled. She might would if still competing for track world championships...

What does being black got anything to do with it? why mention it?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

What does being black got anything to do with it? why mention it?

Because I am racist*...















* Watch out, take care, before going havoc: This was sarcasm for a stupid question...

 

[Cyivel]

But why mention it at all?

 

[Catwhoorg]

The stones are what 40 lbs ?

Wouldn't pushing them many times per day in training be expected to bring some upper body development ?

(I really doubt they doped up on anabolics to win a medal in this case)

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

But why mention it at all?

Why mention male or female runners, why mention britsh or american cyclists, why mention anything?
This phucking political correctness (& gender mainstreaming) brainwash that took over in the western countries is disgusting to say the least.
If I see a black beautiful woman I say what it is; a black beautiful woman.
Same when I see certain countries have a major doping problem, I say the name of the country.
So I hope that is clear now, and we can get back to the topic. Thx in advance.