Catwhoorg said:
I don't know (or care) exactly how heavy the stones are (you can google it if you want), but yes, they are heavy. They don't bench-press the stones however. They only lift them slightly, before swinging them forward to the ice, then sliding them on the ice, before they release them.
Actually the "lead", and "second" are the two team members, who would benefit most from strength. They do the most of the "sweeping" for the team, and it is the sweeping that gives you the biggest workout when curling. Often these two position players are called the "horses" of the team. On the Jacobs team that I noted above, the two players with the most pronounced muscles, are the "third" and "skip". This is unusual.
The point I was making, was that these particular curlers seem to have a different build than curlers have had traditionally. It may be weak evidence of doping, but we have seen similar body shape changes in other "skill" sports recently (Tiger Woods, Serena Williams, Rafael Nadal). It makes me a little bit suspicious that another "skill" sport has succumbed to the allure of doping. If they are doping in "skill" sports like curling, golf, table tennis, and tennis, then doping is likely rampant in "physical" sports.
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Andynonomous said:Have a look at the bulky upper bodies of the Olympic curling gold medal winners from Canada.
These guys look a lot like UFC fighters.
Of course, curling is an accuracy sport (like golf, billiards, darts,...) where skill is far more important than strength. But still, how do these guys find the time to lift weights, when they should be practising their shot-making ?
If curling, golf, table tennis have gone to the dark-side, what does that suggest for sports like grand-tour cycling, cross-country skiing, long distance speed-skating, triathlon, marathon where stamina is extremely important ?
There is absolutely no need for PEDs in curling. The key in curling is tactics and understanding geometry not unlike in pool, which is hardly a strength or endurance issue.
The simple fact is these Canadians are known fitness buffs. One advantage is sweeping a stone into the house. That requires anaerobic effort. Sweeping can actually "suck" a rock into position in the house.
We are talking about some real clean cut Canadian boys here. They actually do exist and don't start with the Ryder posts.
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Two-time Olympic champion Evi Sachenbacher-Stehle and Italian bobsleigh brakeman William Frullani have been sent home from Sochi 2014 after failing drugs tests.
BBC as the reference
Both for methylhexanamine.
Cue the "tainted supplement" defence.
BBC as the reference
Both for methylhexanamine.
Cue the "tainted supplement" defence.
RobbieCanuck said:
We have seen doping in other "skill" sports where "there is absolutely no need for PEDs" (like tennis, table tennis, golf). To think that curling is immune, is naive. Again, it is weak circumstantial evidence, but there has been a pattern of body shape changes in "skill" sports in the last few decades. To think that these physical changes are due to "nutrition", "training", "working harder", "evolution" "gluten-free diets",... is foolish.
When you accuse the Dutch of doping in speed skating, you hear denial back from Dutch fans. When you accuse the Norwegians of doping in cross country skiing, you get back denial from Norwegian fans. When you accuse the Spanish of having a doped-up football team, you get denial from Spanish fans. When you accuse the British of having an unusually successful London Olympics, you get denial back from the British fans.
I accuse the Canadians of being suspicious of doping in curling, and I get denial back from a Canadian. Very surprising.
By the way, I am Canadian as well. I VERY strongly suspect that all elite level sports today are tainted by doping (as well as other types of corruption).
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Catwhoorg said:
Probably part of a doping cocktail, which they got wrong. I would fire the doctor.
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i wouldn't jump sober into a bobsleigh anyway
makes you thing what the skeleton guys/girls take
makes you thing what the skeleton guys/girls take
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DirtyWorks said:
Catwhoorg said:
Good chance she'll be an XC skier again by the time she arrives back in Bavaria. Skiskytting is already taking a battering in Germany at the moment, and let's face it everybody knows Evi more from her being a top level XC skier a few years ago than from being a mediocre biathlete now.
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A woman fighter in the UFC was stripped of a win for failing a drug control. Not immediately announced but the drug later was said to have been THC. Not sure how a fighter's performance benefits from being stoned.
You might well mock the sport but at least curling is scored objectively and dichotomously, unlike events such as ice dancing and synchronized swimming, which are scored purely subjectively. Subjectively scored events, IMHO, are anathemas to the Olympic creed because the winner is not the fastest, the highest or the strongest, ...but the prettiest. That isn't sport, that is a beauty pagent.
And it is only natural to make mention a black competitor in the sledding sports because the human mind is drawn to differences, and blacks are different from most of the other competitors in the sledding sports. I'll wager the majority of the members of this forum who follow the TdF closely could tell you that Frenchman Yohann Gène (Europcar) was the first rider of black African ancestry to compete in the TdF.
When a difference is remarkable, we remark to it. That is precisely why we call it "remarkable."
You might well mock the sport but at least curling is scored objectively and dichotomously, unlike events such as ice dancing and synchronized swimming, which are scored purely subjectively. Subjectively scored events, IMHO, are anathemas to the Olympic creed because the winner is not the fastest, the highest or the strongest, ...but the prettiest. That isn't sport, that is a beauty pagent.
And it is only natural to make mention a black competitor in the sledding sports because the human mind is drawn to differences, and blacks are different from most of the other competitors in the sledding sports. I'll wager the majority of the members of this forum who follow the TdF closely could tell you that Frenchman Yohann Gène (Europcar) was the first rider of black African ancestry to compete in the TdF.
When a difference is remarkable, we remark to it. That is precisely why we call it "remarkable."
Alternate player from gold medal curling team busted for doping.
So, a member of todays gold medal winning curling team was busted last year for doping. The team member was just the "alternate player" (only plays if one of the 4 main players can't play, due to injury/illness/...). This still draws suspicion on the rest of the team.
So, a member of todays gold medal winning curling team was busted last year for doping. The team member was just the "alternate player" (only plays if one of the 4 main players can't play, due to injury/illness/...). This still draws suspicion on the rest of the team.
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Catwhoorg said:
Sorry to interrupt, but I'm fascinated by xc skiing with guns. It's become my favourite winter Olympic sport. My question is: Where do they train? I don't think showing up at the local ski resort wearing a rifle would go over very well.
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StyrbjornSterki said:
That happens all the time.
In certain sports they only catch people for recreational stuff.
In tennis when guys test positive for amphetamines, arguably the oldest PED of them all they assume it was used recreationally.
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the delgados said:
Many places, especially throughout Germanophone Europe and Russia a large number of cross country skiing venues have shooting ranges. A lot of the time the rifles stay in the range area and so you ski without it. Where are you from, there are quite a few places that offer the opportunity to give biathlon a go, especially through Germany, Austria and Südtirol.
Edit: I see Toronto. Lake Placid does biathlon, as does Jericho, VT. Valcartier's probably your nearest major venue without crossing any borders, but there may be other places with a shooting range where you can pay for a chance to try out subject to all the obvious background checks et al.
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Libertine Seguros said:
Thanks Libertine Seguros.
I'm from Canada, where guns are banned. I guess that explains why we suck at the sport.
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StyrbjornSterki said:
I wanted to bring an example too, but gave up after the 1st round with ZamOlas.
Actually, in the NFL thread, we mention white runningbacks since they are rare nowadays. But heh, I am racist, so what...
Imagine I didn´t know up today that Gene is a black rider. And I would say I follow cycling very closely. I clearly missed on that. So thanks for mentioning.
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the delgados said:
Not really. You're pretty decent at it. And I'm sure plenty of places have options for biathlon. It's not like guns are a dime a dozen in Germany either, yet the sport is huge there. You know Magdalena Neuner didn't even get to keep her gun from the Olympics? When she retired she officially relinquished her position in the Zoll ski team and therefore the right to own the gun. She gave it to her sister Anna, who I don't know if she's still doing biathlon herself; she was struggling in September at the nationals so I don't know if she gave up; I haven't seen her on any Alpencup results sheets thus far this season.
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Matthew Pinsent on BBC about doping
"if you look at Lance Armstrong he had a big budget to spend on getting around the system. But at the olympics athletes don't have big budgets, so they cant pay people to evade the testing"
Errr, cos the Armstrong case you brought up showed that coaches and others who deal with the millions and millions of dollars in funding would never allow any of that money go to doping
"if you look at Lance Armstrong he had a big budget to spend on getting around the system. But at the olympics athletes don't have big budgets, so they cant pay people to evade the testing"
Errr, cos the Armstrong case you brought up showed that coaches and others who deal with the millions and millions of dollars in funding would never allow any of that money go to doping
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Can't imagine they can keep the medal. I mean we are talking cheating here.
Dazed and Confused said:
The testing in the NHL is minimal. I don't recall any players ever getting caught. It probably happens, but is rare.
Pro hockey players have been getting bigger, and bigger through the years, even though the population as a whole has stayed the same size. The most important stat that the teams use to recruit, is height. It's the first thing that they look at when deciding whether to draft a junior player, or not. Not goals scored, assists, +/-, nor any other performance based stat.
You think that teenaged prospects don't know this ? Getting to the pros is their whole life. Do you think a significant percentage of these prospects would seek out some edge like growth hormones ?
The number of players getting concussions in the NHL have skyrocketed in the last few years.
I strongly suspect that the bigger (due to growth hormones and steroids) players hitting each other harder has a lot to do with this.
My guess is that more than half of the pro hockey players are on something.
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