Doping in other sports?

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Dear Wiggo said:
You must love being wrong, or inaccurate at best.

There have been more than a few here stating, "let them dope".

In fact one blog linked by you as one of your "research" sources, RobbieCanuck, suggested that exact same thing, citing "doctors are involved anyway" as part of the argument for this ridiculous attitude towards doping.

My comment is: if a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory can pass muster via FDA and then be shown, after years of use, to cause the issues Vioxx did, then the drugs that are used for PEDs are potentially just as likely to do the same, if not worse, due to their typically more potent effect on the body. Despite doctors and FDA involvement, the less drugs athletes take, the better, safer and more healthy they will probably be.

Do you know how to be responsive to a post or just throw some gobbly *** into a post and then cast insults?

My post pointed out that once one clinic member makes an erroneous suggestion about doping in a sport (proffate regarding drugs in basketball), and then another poster automatically accepts or supports that post implying it is doping (Dear Wiggo) in spite of claiming to have watched the video, prove to me you have no objectivity or the ability to form an independent thought. Your comments are reckless and irresponsible.

My post had nothing to do with the potential for PEDs to create the same medical risks as did Vioxx ( a non PED). So when you "respond" with a totally irrelevant response unrelated to the point of my post, all you are up to is vacuous mischief.
 
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Andynonomous said:
Percentage of athletes testing positive, by sport.

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Of course, percentage "getting caught", does not equate to "percentage using", but the comparisons between sports are interesting.

The chart is interesting but all it appears to show is the athletes tested in relation to the Olympics. Do you have the stats that show to what extent the athletes in those sports are also tested by their own NADAs, national sporting association or League (e.g. NHL hockey players) outside the rubric of Olympic competition? Or do these stats include non Olympic related testing? For example - hockey. Does the 2.8% represent the per cent of hockey players both men and women tested for the Olympic tournament only? Either way the testing is pretty pathetic! In hockey it would mean only about 12 players from both the women and men's teams were tested at Sochi.
 
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RobbieCanuck said:
Do you know how to be responsive to a post or just throw some gobbly *** into a post and then cast insults?

Not only do I know how, but I do so, constantly. The irony, yet again, of your sentence decrying insult while insulting another's post is again, laughable. Surely you can see the complete and utter hypocrisy of almost every post you make that seeks to belittle and insult other posters? It's really bizarre.

RobbieCanuck said:
My post pointed out that once one clinic member makes an erroneous suggestion about doping in a sport (proffate regarding drugs in basketball)

An incorrect assumption.

RobbieCanuck said:
, and then another poster automatically accepts or supports that post implying it is doping (Dear Wiggo)

Another incorrect assumption.

RobbieCanuck said:
in spite of claiming to have watched the video, prove to me you have no objectivity

Or, I have a different opinion to yours. Which is equally correct. And when it comes to what I have posted and what it meant, trust me, you do not know anything at all.

RobbieCanuck said:
or the ability to form an independent thought.

Yet more insulting irony.

RobbieCanuck said:
Your comments are reckless and irresponsible.

I'd like to see you explain that one.

RobbieCanuck said:
My post had nothing to do with the potential for PEDs to create the same medical risks as did Vioxx ( a non PED).

Where as my post, to a different poster, did, despite your attempts to rewrite or assign a completely different, erroneous meaning to it.
 
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RobbieCanuck said:
The chart is interesting but all it shows is the athletes tested in relation to the Olympics. Do you have the stats that show to what extent the athletes in those sports are also tested by their own NADAs, national sporting association or League (e.g. NHL hockey players) outside the rubric of Olympic competition? Or do these stats include non Olympic related testing?


My reading of the attached article, is that the sports are Olympic sports, but the testing can be non-IOC testing as well as IOC testing.

Also note that although cycling is amongst the worst, it was improving.
 
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Originally Posted by RobbieCanuck
Do you know how to be responsive to a post or just throw some gobbly *** into a post and then cast insults?
Not only do I know how, but I do so, constantly. The irony, yet again, of your sentence decrying insult while insulting another's post is again, laughable. Surely you can see the complete and utter hypocrisy of almost every post you make that seeks to belittle and insult other posters? It's really bizarre.

What is bizarre is your inability to understand a post. Read my post #1187 because it is obvious if you had read it the substance of the post was to point out that proffate misrepresented the video he cited. I do not insult other people in every post. You are prone to exaggeration and embellishment. Read my posts.

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Originally Posted by RobbieCanuck
My post pointed out that once one clinic member makes an erroneous suggestion about doping in a sport (proffate regarding drugs in basketball)
An incorrect assumption.

No this was not an incorrect assumption. Read your own post “A good example of why doping should not ever be condoned or encouraged” This clearly implies that the video proffate cited was about doping in basketball when in fact it did not.

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Originally Posted by RobbieCanuck
, and then another poster automatically accepts or supports that post implying it is doping (Dear Wiggo)
Another incorrect assumption.

See my comment above.

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Originally Posted by RobbieCanuck
in spite of claiming to have watched the video, prove to me you have no objectivity
Or, I have a different opinion to yours. Which is equally correct. And when it comes to what I have posted and what it meant, trust me, you do not know anything at all.

When one watches a video the content of the video is not a matter of “opinion,” it is a matter of fact as to what was said in the video. And what was said in the video did not remotely resemble what proffate claimed and you so readily agreed with in spite of proffate’s obvious misrepresentations of its content.

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Originally Posted by RobbieCanuck
or the ability to form an independent thought.
Yet more insulting irony.

It is not irony because you simply agreed with proffate, without any independent thought. Because if you had watched the video it is impossible to come to the conclusion proffate did.

In fact proffate was misleading and incorrect in his assessment of what was said in the video, but that did not stop you from agreeing with it, like the sheep you are. You obviously did not listen to the video for the purpose of understanding what in fact was said.

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Originally Posted by RobbieCanuck
Your comments are reckless and irresponsible.
I'd like to see you explain that one.

I just did above!

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Originally Posted by RobbieCanuck
My post had nothing to do with the potential for PEDs to create the same medical risks as did Vioxx ( a non PED).
Where as my post, to a different poster, did, despite your attempts to rewrite or assign a completely different, erroneous meaning to it.

Then why did you cite my post in its entirety in your post #1205 ????? Your ability to obfuscate an issue in second to none.
 
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RobbieCanuck said:
No this was not an incorrect assumption. Read your own post “A good example of why doping should not ever be condoned or encouraged” This clearly implies that the video proffate cited was about doping in basketball when in fact it did not.

I already explained my post. That you refuse to read it for some reason, or continue to bang on erroneously about what I posted or meant is your own fault and noone else's.

It's entirely independent of anything you have posted anywhere ever.
 
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Here's what proffate wrote:

proffate said:
retired NBA players reminisce about the drugs they took to play basketball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DypUbTHsTh8#t=399

Here's the transcript from the video:

my last two seasons I had to take Vioxx in order to actually be able to play
...
I would take it for a week
and I get off it for a week and it was literally like night and day how my
body would feel I realized Vioxx was actually a PED at the time so I mean it should be it was not technically but I'm doing this experiment like
I can still play when I'm taking this pill and when I don't I can't move my
body

Here's what you're saying:

RobbieCanuck said:
When one watches a video the content of the video is not a matter of “opinion,” it is a matter of fact as to what was said in the video. And what was said in the video did not remotely resemble what proffate claimed and you so readily agreed with in spite of proffate’s obvious misrepresentations of its content.

what was said in the video did not remotely resemble what proffate claimed

I am going to have to agree to disagree.
 
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Andynonomous said:
Percentage of athletes testing positive, by sport.

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Of course, percentage "getting caught", does not equate to "percentage using", but the comparisons between sports are interesting.
but there will be a value in which the positives become too risky, so it will find a self feedback equilibrium. a game theory. So if the UCI goes bat$hit (ok, lets assume that is not a tautology), so if the UCI goes bat$hit and is not currently bat$hit and busts half the peloton in the Tour, then in the 2015 TdF, folks will dial back their doping to a level where only 3% will contravene regulations. They will still be doping, but on a level where only 3% will still get caught. My working thesis, if the US changes the thresholds allowed in the passport, the riders will manipulate their doping so only the same level of riders fall foul of the regulations. the useful idjits like ricky riccio
 
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The President of CONI, Giovanni Malagò, along with the Secretary General, Roberto Fabbricini, today unveiled - during a press conference at the Foro Italico - the activities carried out over the last year by the anti-doping organisations who work within the Italian National Olympic Committee and the statistical data on controls pertaining to 2012 and 2013. The meeting with the information bodies was attended by the Chairman of the Doping Control Committee, General Lucio Nobili, the Chief Prosecutor of the Italian Anti-doping Prosecution Office (UPA), Tammaro Maiello, and the Chairman of the Therapeutic Use Exemption Committee, Mr Luigi Frati, as well as Michele Signorini, Manager in charge of Anti-doping at CONI and other leading figures from the organisation's departments.
Malagò stressed the importance of the international recognition in relation to the route taken by the various bodies which, from July 2013, had changed their own managers. "I have a sacred respect of the hierarchies, they represent independent bodies, and they themselves have a real excellence. The CONI, despite the problems, has increased the budget of the controls from 1 million 600 thousand euro to 2 million. In 2012 and 2013, as confirmed today by WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency), CONI was the fifth NADO (National Anti-Doping Organisation) in the world by the number of controls carried out. The department is advanced and a powerful deterrent to those who have strange ideas".
This is, in fact, the official ranking from the WADA on the night, concerning the countries that have tested their athletes with greater frequency: Russia leads the ranking list, with a total of 14,582 tests performed, followed by China (13,364), Germany (7,709) and the U.S. (7,144). Italy is in fifth place with a total of 6,816 tests. The figure shown is that of 2.5% of athletes testing positive with respect to all the controls. And Malagò reiterated: "Just 0.1% saddens me, let alone 2.5%".
During the conference, it was repeatedly shown how the interaction between the various components promotes a more effective and comprehensive action to combat doping. The General Lucio Nobili, who chairs the Anti-Doping Control Commission, highlighted the numbers from their own organisation. "The first half of 2014 showed an increase in the controls: 4,100 in the first six months of the year, compared with 6,600 in 2012 and 6,700 in 2013. We are carrying out surprise checks, without prior notice, in compliance with the guidelines laid down by WADA". Two journalists, Luigi Ferrajolo and Giovanni Bruno, also work in the organisation as well.
Luigi Frati, President of the Commission for Therapeutic Use Exemptions, on the other hand stressed "the quantitative and qualitative activity in the context of dialectics between departments, with a view to understanding and analysing the various diseases in order to prevent risks to health". Frati also highlighted the importance of "a world leading anti-doping laboratory thanks to the commitment and quality of work carried out by Francesco Botrè, who is also a global coordinator".
The conference closed with the participation of Tammaro Maiello, Chief Prosecutor of the UPA. "Of the court referrals arranged by us and gone to trial up to today many convictions came from the Italian Anti-Doping Court (TNA), as a witness to the quality of the case for the prosecution. The greatest pride is that in the World Anti-Doping Code, which comes into effect from January 2015, the penalty for the association with disqualified persons will be implemented".
 
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Just to illustrate how rugby has a major doping problem. Over half of the front page of UKAD list of current sanctions are rugby related.

A sad decline of a game I used to really enjoy.
 
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This is a horrendous metric for cleanliness unless the amount of testing is the same in those sports, including out of competition, and the kind of PEDS they do are equally hard to detect.
 
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Justin Gatlin just dominated the 200m, running 19.68 with a strong headwind. He's been dominating the 100m all year long, running 9.8 pretty much every single time. not bad for a 30+ guy to equal his best performances, week in week out, from his doped to the gills mid twenties years. All while clean (hasnt tested positive lately).

Bolt and Blake have been mysteriously unfit to race this year.
 
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I need to fire up my video editing software coz there's a fricken awesome quote in TUF 17 where Chael Sonnen says something along the lines of,


You know what I look for? I look for desire. Coz if you have that, we can help you get the results.

In the context of what he had been doing - either being a doosh to Jon Jones or taking every PED under the sun - it was chilling.
 
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SeriousSam said:
Justin Gatlin just dominated the 200m, running 19.68 with a strong headwind. He's been dominating the 100m all year long, running 9.8 pretty much every single time. not bad for a 30+ guy to equal his best performances, week in week out, from his doped to the gills mid twenties years. All while clean (hasnt tested positive lately).

Bolt and Blake have been mysteriously unfit to race this year.
Gay not that good, but still back after only 1 year.
 
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Catwhoorg said:
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Just to illustrate how rugby has a major doping problem. Over half of the front page of UKAD list of current sanctions are rugby related.

A sad decline of a game I used to really enjoy.

There are some long bans on that list.

Strangely enough JTL isn't on it - he should be shouldn't he, since it was UKAD that gave him the sanction (didn't they?).
 
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TheSpud said:
There are some long bans on that list.

Strangely enough JTL isn't on it - he should be shouldn't he, since it was UKAD that gave him the sanction (didn't they?).

Probably due to that list being prior to the conclusion of JTL case, post on 16th, JTL announcement 17th.

EDIT : Having looked at current list not updated yet.
 
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del1962 said:
Probably due to that list being prior to the conclusion of JTL case, post on 16th, JTL announcement 17th.

EDIT : Having looked at current list not updated yet.

D'oh - RTFM Spud!

I found a link about a minute after posting that about JTL saying that sanctions appear after the appeal period.
 
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Rory McIlroy

BBC: He has changed his body shape since 2010 ...

Did Gary Player (fittest guy of the period) ever change his "body shape"?
 
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buckle said:
BBC: He has changed his body shape since 2010 ...

Did Gary Player (fittest guy of the period) ever change his "body shape"?


Mcllroy has that same triangular shape that Woods has developed into, and like Woods, depends on long drives to win. You never used to see this triangular shape in golf , until recently.


Both can putt very well though.
 
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SeriousSam said:
Justin Gatlin just dominated the 200m, running 19.68 with a strong headwind. He's been dominating the 100m all year long, running 9.8 pretty much every single time. not bad for a 30+ guy to equal his best performances, week in week out, from his doped to the gills mid twenties years. All while clean (hasnt tested positive lately).

Bolt and Blake have been mysteriously unfit to race this year.

:eek:

Surely because it is a post-Olympic year, of course. ;)

Dave.