Doping in other sports?

[Briant_Gumble]

Ronaldo goes full roid rage.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZMv3HHicWw

 

[slowspoke]

This is a very interesting read.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2014/0808/635892-column-gillick-discusses-doping-in-athletics/

 

[Kotar_Rhakoz]

This is a very interesting read.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2014/0808/635892-column-gillick-discusses-doping-in-athletics/

Very interesting, thank you for posting it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

This is a very interesting read.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2014/0808/635892-column-gillick-discusses-doping-in-athletics/

It is. Thanks for the link.

 

[Walkman]

This is a very interesting read.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2014/0808/635892-column-gillick-discusses-doping-in-athletics/

Interesting read!

What I can't understand is why countries without a proper anti-doping program is allowed to compete in the World Championships and the Olympics. They should standardize the number of tests each country must do, per athlete, and then demand full insight in these programs and those countries who failed to live up to the standards will simply not be allowed to compete.

I remember reading a piece that a german sprinter wrote. He was really angry because Usain Bilt didn't even know how to fill out an anti-dpoing forms…

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2008/08/german-olympic.html

 

[vavafroome]

Nice read that (y)

 

[dunnem8]

As part of some sort of 'beef' between Floyd Mayweather and 50 Cent (bare with me), Mayweather posted a photo of his last 2 paychecks from boxing. Here is the link: https://twitter.com/FloydMayweather/status/503053608963698689
On both checks there is an 'Anti Doping' charge deducted from the total. In both cases it is for $25,000. Does anybody have an idea what this covers? Is he paying for all of his own testing? Is he contributing to the Anti Doping body like you would a charity? Why would the fighter have any input into the process, would the boxing governing body not be the ones to foot the bill for testing? Any light on the situation would be great!

 

[Parker]

As part of some sort of 'beef' between Floyd Mayweather and 50 Cent (bare with me), Mayweather posted a photo of his last 2 paychecks from boxing. Here is the link: https://twitter.com/FloydMayweather/status/503053608963698689
On both checks there is an 'Anti Doping' charge deducted from the total. In both cases it is for $25,000. Does anybody have an idea what this covers? Is he paying for all of his own testing? Is he contributing to the Anti Doping body like you would a charity? Why would the fighter have any input into the process, would the boxing governing body not be the ones to foot the bill for testing? Any light on the situation would be great!

It's voluntary supplementary testing, not mandated by any governing body. It's entirely at Mayweather's behest. He insists on USADA running a full testing program for him and his opponent for all his fights and he pays for it himself.

The governing body does it's own testing as well, I assume. (Maybe it doesn't)

 

[dunnem8]

Cheers Parker! So is Mayweather considered 100% clean then? Is it publicly known or otherwise that a potential opponent has refused the testing program set out by Mayweather?

 

[thrawn]

Cheers Parker! So is Mayweather considered 100% clean then? Is it publicly known or otherwise that a potential opponent has refused the testing program set out by Mayweather?

God no. If he's paying for the doping program he knows how to beat whatever testing it is.

As far as I'm aware one of the stumbling blocks for a Mayweather/Pacquaio fight was disagreements over the dope testing program.

 

[Parker]

Cheers Parker! So is Mayweather considered 100% clean then? Is it publicly known or otherwise that a potential opponent has refused the testing program set out by Mayweather?

No idea what the perceptions of him are, but he certainly appears to go the extra mile that other fighters don't. He has no influence about when or where he gets tested or for what, he just gives the money to USADA and lets them get on with it.

Doping has long been the major bone of contention between him and Pacquiao (in what would comfortably be the biggest grossing fight of all time). Mayweather's people have basically called Pacquiao a doper in the past and Pacquiao has used just about every lame excuse he can think of to refuse.

Mayweather might be up to something, but I'd have much more faith in him than Pacquiao.

 

[The Hitch]

Interesting read!

What I can't understand is why countries without a proper anti-doping program is allowed to compete in the World Championships and the Olympics. They should standardize the number of tests each country must do, per athlete, and then demand full insight in these programs and those countries who failed to live up to the standards will simply not be allowed to compete.

I remember reading a piece that a german sprinter wrote. He was really angry because Usain Bilt didn't even know how to fill out an anti-dpoing forms…

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2008/08/german-olympic.html

And iirc got massive ammounts of abuse for it.

 

[SeriousSam]

No idea what the perceptions of him are, but he certainly appears to go the extra mile that other fighters don't. He has no influence about when or where he gets tested or for what, he just gives the money to USADA and lets them get on with it.

Doping has long been the major bone of contention between him and Pacquiao (in what would comfortably be the biggest grossing fight of all time). Mayweather's people have basically called Pacquiao a doper in the past and Pacquiao has used just about every lame excuse he can think of to refuse.

Mayweather might be up to something, but I'd have much more faith in him than Pacquiao.

No, doping was only very briefly a bone of contention between the two. Pacquiano initially didn't want extra tests but then agreed. It still didn't happen. Money was the real deal breaker.

Doping is rampant in boxing and Floyd is obviously a doper. His insistence of tests is about as credible as Tyson Gay being part of project belief. Or that some athlete would never dope because they're devout Christians.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

No, doping was only very briefly a bone of contention between the two. Pacquiano initially didn't want extra tests but then agreed. It still didn't happen. Money was the real deal breaker.

Doping is rampant in boxing and Floyd is obviously a doper. His insistence of tests is about as credible as Tyson Gay being part of project belief. Or that some athlete would never dope because they're devout Christians.

Or a member of a certain team.

 

[Parker]

No, doping was only very briefly a bone of contention between the two. Pacquiano initially didn't want extra tests but then agreed. It still didn't happen. Money was the real deal breaker.

Sure money was an issue, but doping wasn't 'only very briefly' an issue. It was first raised in 2009 and only fully agreed to in 2012.

 

[Merckx index]

Money was the real deal breaker.

Not really, it was just another excuse. Much of the deal-breaking was and is Bob Arum, and his hatred of FM. The injury to Manny that took six months to heal, the new venue that had to be built when they discovered that Floyd could fight before he went to jail, and on and on.

And it's mutual, Floyd doesn't want to do Arum any favors. Plus I strongly suspect Floyd preferred to wait a few years for Manny to continue taking hard knocks from larger opponents to soften him up before getting in the ring with him.

Both sides have used one excuse after another, from the very beginning. Floyd never indicated any interest in Olympic-style testing until the negotiations with Manny. I think it was largely a ploy to get into Manny's head, and possibly to avoid the fight completely. But Pacquiao was just as ridiculous with his bogus excuse that a blood withdrawal close to a fight would weaken him, and his fear of needles, this from a guy with serious tats.

Bottom line is that if either fighter wanted this fight 100%, no matter what, the fight could have been made.

 

[The Hitch]

No, doping was only very briefly a bone of contention between the two. Pacquiano initially didn't want extra tests but then agreed. It still didn't happen. Money was the real deal breaker.

Doping is rampant in boxing and Floyd is obviously a doper. His insistence of tests is about as credible as Tyson Gay being part of project belief. Or that some athlete would never dope because they're devout Christians.

I find it funny that someone who staunchly defends some of the most ridiculous athletes of all time from doping accusations, throws them at the little Philipino

You can be sure they would be on the other side of the fence on this if Manny represented a more Anglo Saxon country.

 

[Parker]

I find it funny that someone who staunchly defends some of the most ridiculous athletes of all time from doping accusations, throws them at the little Philipino

You can be sure they would be on the other side of the fence on this if Manny represented a more Anglo Saxon country.

So you're basically calling me a racist?

Reported, you piece of sh!t

 

[Walkman]

And iirc got massive ammounts of abuse for it.

Really?!

That's really f*cked up. But I guess that explains, to some extent, why so few athletes actually speak out in there matter.

 

[SeriousSam]

Not really, it was just another excuse. Much of the deal-breaking was and is Bob Arum, and his hatred of FM. The injury to Manny that took six months to heal, the new venue that had to be built when they discovered that Floyd could fight before he went to jail, and on and on.

And it's mutual, Floyd doesn't want to do Arum any favors. Plus I strongly suspect Floyd preferred to wait a few years for Manny to continue taking hard knocks from larger opponents to soften him up before getting in the ring with him.

Both sides have used one excuse after another, from the very beginning. Floyd never indicated any interest in Olympic-style testing until the negotiations with Manny. I think it was largely a ploy to get into Manny's head, and possibly to avoid the fight completely. But Pacquiao was just as ridiculous with his bogus excuse that a blood withdrawal close to a fight would weaken him, and his fear of needles, this from a guy with serious tats.

Bottom line is that if either fighter wanted this fight 100%, no matter what, the fight could have been made.

You may be right that the money split was just another excuse for the fight not to happen though it's one of the things Floyd cares about. He's Money May. He needs to have more than 50% of the split to corroborate his status as the biggest name in boxing.

I also suspect he ducked Manny in his prime. I think he would have won back then (and certainly now) though it would have been one hell of a fight. Shame it didn't happen.

 

[neineinei]

IAAFs sanction update for July/August has been published.

Some of the sanctions:
* 17 year old Indian hammer thrower Laxay Sharma is banned for two years.
* Turkish middle/long distance runner Binnaz Uslu is banned for life after they retested a sample from 2011 Worlds in Daegu. She was caught back in 2007 too, and served a two-year ban. Last year she had a Riccò-ish trip to the hospital.
* 3 bilogical passport sanctions: 2 Russians (2 x 2 years) and a Saudi (3 years)
* 2 Romanian throwers tested positve for the second time, Sergiu Ursu for some other reason only got 2 years for his second offence, while Anca Heltne got 8 years.
* Olga Tereshkova (KAZ) wasn't so lucky, and was banned for life after her second positive.
* Russian sprinter Alexander Gnezdilov was banned for four years. IAAF announces in one list that it was for "Refusal to submit to an in competition test", in another list they write it was for an Oxandrolone positive. (Did RUSADA manage to squeeze something out of him anyway?) Russian media claims he was positive for 5 illegal substances: clenbuterol, oxandrolone, metandienone, methenolone and anastrozole. He is 23 years old and the test was taken (or not) at a competition called Student Sports Stars in Moscow.
* 'Student Sport Stars' in Moscow also gave another positve: Middle distance runner Alexandra Gulyaeva tested positve for Prasterone and is banned for two years.

 

[Catwhoorg]

UKAD bans for 2 years Vahid Hosseinpoor (Wrestling)

Link to press release

Tamoxifen analytical positive.

Just FYI Mr Cookson, should you read the thread. THIS IS TRANSPARENCY.

 

[jens_attacks]

UKAD bans for 2 years Vahid Hosseinpoor (Wrestling)

Link to press release

Tamoxifen analytical positive.

Just FYI Mr Cookson, should you read the thread. THIS IS TRANSPARENCY.

if you're serious, you made my day

 

[Catwhoorg]

if you're serious, you made my day

Absolutely serious. UKAD may have its faults and its limits, but it is a good example how results and findings should be communicated.

I tweeted this message to Cookson Sr

@Catwhoorg 4h
@ukantidoping @BrianCooksonUCI This is transparency in action. Press release, tweet and full case summary. Cycling take note.


I doubt any notice will be taken, but at least I tried.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

UFC has announced it will hire an independent testing firm to do OOCs for it. They claim to be planning to do random tests for +/-500 fighters, world-wide.

They think the move will reduce the risk of discombobulated fight cards caused when fighters test positive before a scheduled bout. Not sure about that but I am sure it will incentivise their fighters to get serious about learning how Lance beat the tests all those years.