Doping in other sports?

[The Hitch]

I can definitely go with the idea that Bolt is too big to fail, and obviously virtually all his competition bar Blake have tested positive, but I can't see that it answers my question.

Well Blake has the positive from 09 for the substance that wasn't on the banned list yet but was about to be. It was before he was a big deal. I do think that a pro cyclist would be a hell of a lot more tainted by something like that than Blake was.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

That's an interesting statement. Don't tracks actually need to have some kind of balance between long distances and sprint distances? One of those (I always forget which) needs a lot harder underground than the other to be running fast, if I recall correctly, so if tracks are designed for faster sprinting, there should be a pay-off in the longer distances. One would expect the times for longer distances to get slower, if sprint times would get faster for this single reason. Does someone by any chance know if this actually is the case?

Hard tracks are good for everybody. Only difference between a sprinter and a distance runner is the power they put into the track, and both want as much return as possible.

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As for the progression in 10,000m times, the event is loosing its financial appeal. Doping programs were more aggressive in the past, but there is still enough caliber to put up all-time performances, if there was more incentive. The Brussels 10k is now off the programe, just like last year, and that is one of two major races offered for the year. There is more commentary about ditching the 10,000 at major championships.

Enough 5000m or half-Marathon runners could post a sub 26:45 to shake up the list, but no opportunities or incentive to do so.

 

[del1962]

Thoughts?

Dont know about doping and him (is there any evidence?), but he seems to have a weird history of attacking mascots and having a fight with a fellow competitor

 

[The Hitch]

Guy sounds like a butter but a bit weak imo from the Spanish protesting it so they could get a bronze it's not like taking his shirt off was cheating or helped him win.

 

[hrotha]

Guy sounds like a bitter but a bit weak imo from the Spanish protesting it so they could get a bronze it's not like taking his shirt off was cheating or helped him win.

It's a matter of principle. Can't have a cheat steal a medal that rightfully belonged to notorious non-cheater Mullera.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Interesting article at mmafighting.com,

What would happen if the UFC became a WADA Code signatory?
By Luke Thomas @SBNLukeThomas on Aug 17 2014, 2:06p

The headline is a bit misleading. The article speaks to the nuts and bolts of how the code would be enforced, but goes nowhere near the subject of its impact on the level of competition, the health of the sport, or the P&L sheet of Zuffa, LLC. It does lay out the steps to implementation, in broad strokes, and points out, "...No North American professional sports league has become a WADA Code signatory...."

Also mentions a cost of potentially as much as $10,000 USD per athlete per year, but ends with a sales pitch from Travis Tygart, a 'benefits outweigh the costs' sort of thing. Not sure how that maths would work out in the UFC, where all the athletes AFAIK are contract employees with no medical benefits.

The writer admits that it isn't possible to completely eradicate use of banned substances but fails to tie that point in to the fact that pro cycling remains awash in illegal PEDs, despite the UCI being a signatory to the WADA code.

 

[Franklin]

When I played, it was pips in for spin, and 7mm of rubber backing between the blade and the outer layer for speed ;-)

If my memory is correct (1980-1990 era, regulation probably changed a bit):

Black and red side, even if the rubber is identical on both sides.

1. Pips in with thick layer (For example Shriver) for effect and speed (offensive)
2. Pips in with thin layer (for example Flextra) for effect and control (defensive)
3. Pips in, extra smooth with thin layer. Better known as Anti spin. (defensive)
4. Pips out are generally low effect rubber combined with a thick sandwich! The result was a very hardhitting ball with not much spin (offensive)
5. Very long pips out! Very hard to control and very odd effect. If I remember correctly that was banned PRONTO. I think only one or two guys used it with devastating effect, but generally seen as gamebreaking (was near impossible to anticipate). It still exist in much less extreme forms, also known as funny rubber.

Of course there was also the issue of fresh versus dry glue, or even special "speed" glue, but the level I played we didn't have the money for that kind of sophisticate stuff, so I'm not very knowledgable there.

Also, some say red is faster but a bit less spinny as black rubber due to the color additives, but to discern those kinda differences is far, far beyond my skill

Back in the 80-90ies it was a bit of alchemy really, but the great stallwart rubbers survived most trends (for example Flextra and Shriver).

 

[SeriousSam]

No North American professional sports league has become a WADA Code signatory...."

Smart, understanding the true (gladiatorial) nature of sport.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Thoughts?

IMO a bonehead bureaucratic decision. The guy won fair and square and there is no evidence of PEDs. So he is a showboat, but so are a ton of great athletes (Bolt). Fine him or suspend him from a meet he has entered, but to take away his medal earned fair and square is absurd. The rule is he is supposed to cross the finish line with his bib.

But he did, just in his mouth and his number was on his hip. All the bib did was display the name of the meet, sponsor crap and his name. If the officials didn't know what track meet it was or his name at the start of the race they are incompetent.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

This from Bloody Elbow:

Tim Kennedy on PEDs in MMA: 'We’re in the Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire era'

I get so much crap from everybody. Like, shut up [nancy-boy], why don't you just use it yourself and actually have an exciting fight? It's non-stop relentless, especially from Vitor fans or Chael Sonnen fans. Listen, I get it. They're fun to watch. But so was Sammy Sosa and so was Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire. They almost destroyed the sport of baseball. Those three dudes alone almost ruined baseball. That's where we are right now in the sport. We're in the Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire era where it's just rampant, crazy use of PEDs. And Mark [Bocek] that just retired, you know, he's saying up to 90%. I said around 30%. Okay, fine, we'll split it, like split the difference. That's crazy! That is a huge problem. And we're not hitting a ball out of a park. We're hitting each other in the head. This is a little different. So the standards should be different and it's not. It's worse. Something's got to give.

Destroyed? I thought those were baseball's glory days. At least until the Commish started getting pizzy about a little PEDs use.

 

[slowspoke]

IMO a bonehead bureaucratic decision. The guy won fair and square and there is no evidence of PEDs. So he is a showboat, but so are a ton of great athletes (Bolt). Fine him or suspend him from a meet he has entered, but to take away his medal earned fair and square is absurd. The rule is he is supposed to cross the finish line with his bib.

But he did, just in his mouth and his number was on his hip. All the bib did was display the name of the meet, sponsor crap and his name. If the officials didn't know what track meet it was or his name at the start of the race they are incompetent.

Do you not think though, at the end of a 3000m steeplechase European Championship race that you would be breathing so hard that to only breath through your nose would be a tad difficult?

 

[Granville57]

Did anyone see Tiger Woods on Jimmy Fallon last night?
http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/segments/10541

He's looking a tad more "fit" than Rory Mcilroy.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Do you not think though, at the end of a 3000m steeplechase European Championship race that you would be breathing so hard that to only breath through your nose would be a tad difficult?

That's the immediate reaction I had to the photo of the runner with his mouth full of t-shirt, as he loped away from his world-class competitors: this guy is taking it easy.

 

[poupou]

That's the immediate reaction I had to the photo of the runner with his mouth full of t-shirt, as he loped away from his world-class competitors: this guy is taking it easy.

Mekhissi had and still has no european contender, his challengers have a 10s and more deficit. Without Kenyans that is easy for him.
But that don't proof that he is clean.
http://www.olympic.org/olympic-results/london-2012/athletics/3000m-steeplechase-m
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_World_Championships_in_Athletics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_3000_metres_steeplechase

 

[SeriousSam]

That's the immediate reaction I had to the photo of the runner with his mouth full of t-shirt, as he loped away from his world-class competitors: this guy is taking it easy.

European-class. Makes a huge difference in track and field.

 

[sniper]

That's the immediate reaction I had to the photo of the runner with his mouth full of t-shirt, as he loped away from his world-class competitors: this guy is taking it easy.

he hadn't even finished the final turn when he started undressing.
in addition to arrogant, the guy is an absolute moron.
got the words 'doped to the eyeballs' written all over his face.

 

[del1962]

he hadn't even finished the final turn when he started undressing.
in addition to arrogant, the guy is an absolute moron.

Correct, especially if you take into account some of his past behavoir with mascots

got the words 'doped to the eyeballs' written all over his face.

No, you can't jump to this conclusion.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Cronulla Sharks players past and present face doping claims

Seventeen past and present players from an Australian rugby league side are under investigation for alleged doping.

BBC article

Aussie Rugby League has been talked about in several places in this thread, more to do with other clubs though.

Very widespread systematic team enabled doping.

 

[thrawn]

Cronulla Sharks players past and present face doping claims

Seventeen past and present players from an Australian rugby league side are under investigation for alleged doping.

BBC article

Aussie Rugby League has been talked about in several places in this thread, more to do with other clubs though.

Very widespread systematic team enabled doping.

This is after an 18 month investigation. Likely 6 month suspensions, mainly over the off season, so they will all miss a month. This is only if the players admit, if not ASADA will be seeking 2 year suspensions.

34 Essendon (AFL) players have been hit with a show cause notice. Essendon currently taking ASADA to court saying the investigation was illegal.

 

[slowspoke]

This is after an 18 month investigation. Likely 6 month suspensions, mainly over the off season, so they will all miss a month. This is only if the players admit, if not ASADA will be seeking 2 year suspensions.

34 Essendon (AFL) players have been hit with a show cause notice. Essendon currently taking ASADA to court saying the investigation was illegal.

That showed them - 3 games......

http://www.3news.co.nz/Reports-Most-players-accept-ASADA-deal/tabid/415/articleID/358000/Default.aspx

 

[thrawn]

That showed them - 3 games......

http://www.3news.co.nz/Reports-Most-players-accept-ASADA-deal/tabid/415/articleID/358000/Default.aspx

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ayers-accept-doping-bans-20140822-10728y.html

Ban's backdated to November. Not sure how that works considering they've played all year? League isn't a game where you win personal accolades/victories. Or you know, maybe they take Gallens world cup medal off him or something.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

That showed them - 3 games......

http://www.3news.co.nz/Reports-Most-players-accept-ASADA-deal/tabid/415/articleID/358000/Default.aspx

Seems to me like very liberal use by the NRL of Section 10.9.1 of the current WADA code.

But I don't see how they have correctly applied sections 10.4 to 10.5 wrt reduction of standard sanctions.

 

[BullsFan22]

I see Nadal got another 'silent ban.'

 

[Andynonomous]

I see Nadal got another 'silent ban.'

I believe he did. Not because he tested positive however.


One of his publicity guys leaked that Nadal was being treated with "growth hormones".

"Última hora de Rafa Nadal: La semana que viene le inyectarán hormonas de crecimiento para acelerar el proceso de recuperación en la muñeca."

That created an uproar (since growth hormones - HGH - is an illegal performance enhancing drug), so the Nadal's had him change it to "growth factors".

Me corrige @b1pr, ayer puse 'hormonas de crecimiento' y parece que son 'factores de crecimiento'. Lo puse tal cual me lo habían informado.

Of course "Growth Factors" (IGF1), is an illegal performance enhancing drug as well. You are allowed to use PRP (Platelet-Rich Plasma), which is autologous blood products, spun in a centrifuge, then re-inserted locally into an injured joint. The body manufactures a small amount of IGF1 locally in the joint from this injected plasma. It is not enough IGF1 to affect performance significantly however (which is why PRP is legal, and direct IGF1 injections are not).

Of course Nadal's publicity guy never called the treatment "PRP", but called it "Growth Factors". Whether this was a mistake, or an accidental admission that he was using illegal treatments is unknown, but it may have generated some embarrassing questions in the media zoo that is New York City.

This created quite the kerfuffle at the tennis forums :

I believe that the ITF told him to stay home for this tournament.


The tweets are located here (July 31, Aug 1) :
https://twitter.com/NachoMuhlenberg

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I commend his (apparent) stance, he's one of my favourite fighters, and for me was one of the best coaches on TUF, but goddamn this guy seems naive when he says things like...

“If we want the sport to be accepted worldwide, like baseball, hockey, football, soccer, I believe [drug testing] is the thing to do. I think it's just a matter of time before it happens, it's just that I tried to make it happen now.”

http://news.yahoo.com/georges-st-pierre-never-fight-183229453--mma.html