Doping in other sports?

[Alphabet]

Anyway, according to studies, the life expectancy in this country rose by a year due to the Olympics. That's the optimism it created. Medals like bolts for great reactions in Jamaica. It raises the optimism of countries and governments think that is worth it.

I guess I didn't consider that, good post Hitch. It seems like a roundabout way to improve things in your country though, although there is a definite correlation between doing well at sport and a happy population (didn't a similar effect take place in the UK after the successful 2012 Olympics?).

 

[frenchfry]

Moroccan cross-country runner Mohamed El-Hachimi controlled positive for EPO at a French race. Sounds like they knew who to go for as they tested 20 athletes at the competition and El-Hachimi didn't take part in the race even though he was at the start. Another Moroccan runner, Mohamed Moustaoui, didn't even show up even though he was signed-up for the race.

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...oss-country-positif-a-l-epo_4400641_3242.html

 

[mikeoneill]

Moroccan cross-country runner Mohamed El-Hachimi controlled positive for EPO at a French race. Sounds like they knew who to go for as they tested 20 athletes at the competition and El-Hachimi didn't take part in the race even though he was at the start. Another Moroccan runner, Mohamed Moustaoui, didn't even show up even though he was signed-up for the race.

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...oss-country-positif-a-l-epo_4400641_3242.html

he's moroccan

they all dope

everyone of them

 

[del1962]

Moroccan cross-country runner Mohamed El-Hachimi controlled positive for EPO at a French race. Sounds like they knew who to go for as they tested 20 athletes at the competition and El-Hachimi didn't take part in the race even though he was at the start. Another Moroccan runner, Mohamed Moustaoui, didn't even show up even though he was signed-up for the race.

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...oss-country-positif-a-l-epo_4400641_3242.html

Do you think there was a tipoff?

 

[frenchfry]

Do you think there was a tipoff?

The article isn't clear on that point, or exactly when during the competition the controls were performed.

It seems strange that El-Hachimi removed his race number and didn't compete, and that Moustaoui wasn't present at the start although the article isn't clear if he was physically at the competition.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Another woman MMA fighter, Gabi Garcia, busted for PEDs and stripped of a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world title. She was taking a fertility drug called 'Clomiphene', which is a USADA-banned substance because it blocks the effects of estrogen, producing an effect similar to TRT in men (although to a less profound result).


Clomiphene positives in other sports, such as track and field, usually do not bring a harsh penalty in the belief it could have been being used legitimately in an effort to start a family. Fertility can be a problem for women who have been involved in strenuous athletics and maintained a lower body fat (<20%) since pre- or early puberty. So it does increase the plausibility that it could be being taken for other than reasons of athletic performance. It reportedly also is a masking agent. But USADA doesn't seem to be swayed that Garcia's use was 'legitimate.'

 

[Catwhoorg]

If it was legitimate, she could have applied for a TUE.
Once that was in place begun using it.

Using an banned substance, and trying to say its legitimate is always the wrong way round to do it. There is a process to follow.

 

[DirtyWorks]

A Bolt positive doesn't necessarily mean his programme was paid for with taxpayer money.

Are there any precedents of underdeveloped/developing nations (apart from the so-called 'communist' nations) ignoring serious issues that money should be spent on, and instead wasting it on trying to win a medal or two?

Maybe I'm missing the humor in this, but there is no distinction between developing and developed.

You may be surprised to hear that nations like to see medals and support them in every way, including never testing positive. Some recent examples, Russia, Bellarus, Jamaica. Go back a few years and USA Cycling was doing the same for their riders. You may also recall BC did not run any tests on British National Sky riders prior to the London Olympics.

This might be a duplicate post:http://www.insidethegames.biz/sport...athlete-handed-doping-ban-after-positive-test

20 years old, not even international talent yet using a very sophisticated doping technique with a very short half-life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_androgen_receptor_modulator Maybe they have a good test for it.

This idea that doping is expensive and somehow difficult to source needs to die for the 10,000th time.

 

[Justinr]

Maybe I'm missing the humor in this, but there is no distinction between developing and developed.

You may be surprised to hear that nations like to see medals and support them in every way, including never testing positive. Some recent examples, Russia, Bellarus, Jamaica. Go back a few years and USA Cycling was doing the same for their riders. You may also recall BC did not run any tests on British National Sky riders prior to the London Olympics.

This might be a duplicate post:http://www.insidethegames.biz/sport...athlete-handed-doping-ban-after-positive-test

20 years old, not even international talent yet using a very sophisticated doping technique with a very short half-life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_androgen_receptor_modulator Maybe they have a good test for it.

This idea that doping is expensive and somehow difficult to source needs to die for the 10,000th time.

Took me less than 5 minutes to find this:

http://www.clenbuteroluk.net/order.html

And this

http://www.jwsupplements.co.uk/SARM.html


Easy and cheap to find.

I'm not advocating taking these at all and if i have broken the rules i will delete / modify the post. The aim was to back up DWs post on how cheap things are.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Another woman MMA fighter, Gabi Garcia, busted for PEDs and stripped of a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world title. She was taking a fertility drug called 'Clomiphene', which is a USADA-banned substance because it blocks the effects of estrogen, producing an effect similar to TRT in men (although to a less profound result).


Clomiphene positives in other sports, such as track and field, usually do not bring a harsh penalty in the belief it could have been being used legitimately in an effort to start a family. Fertility can be a problem for women who have been involved in strenuous athletics and maintained a lower body fat (<20%) since pre- or early puberty. So it does increase the plausibility that it could be being taken for other than reasons of athletic performance. It reportedly also is a masking agent. But USADA doesn't seem to be swayed that Garcia's use was 'legitimate.'

I didn't realise MMA or BJJ was tested by USADA.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I didn't realise MMA or BJJ was tested by USADA.

Certain martial arts fall under their jurisdiction. (The Olympic ones, and events that would like to be there)

Professional MMA fighting is outside, obviously.

 

[Alphabet]

Maybe I'm missing the humor in this, but there is no distinction between developing and developed.

You may be surprised to hear that nations like to see medals and support them in every way, including never testing positive. Some recent examples, Russia, Bellarus, Jamaica. Go back a few years and USA Cycling was doing the same for their riders. You may also recall BC did not run any tests on British National Sky riders prior to the London Olympics.

This might be a duplicate post:http://www.insidethegames.biz/sport...athlete-handed-doping-ban-after-positive-test

20 years old, not even international talent yet using a very sophisticated doping technique with a very short half-life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_androgen_receptor_modulator Maybe they have a good test for it.

This idea that doping is expensive and somehow difficult to source needs to die for the 10,000th time.

You're missing the point - I wasn't discussing whether Jamaica is capable of sponsoring a team wide doping programme (quite obviously, any individual or organisation with a few hundred thousand dollars to spare can easily do so). I was saying that such a programme either doesn't exist (i.e. Jamaican athletes use the services of private doctors, and Usain's got the best one in that German guy with the unspellable double-barrel surname, which is why he tears **** up) or there is a government funded, standard programme that every Jamaican athlete is on and Bolt is simply a super responder. There's no other explanation, from where I sit, for how he's so much better than other dopers on his team.

I was just commenting that it would be an absolutely disgusting way to spend money if the former was true and that the Jamaican government was *****ing millions on doping with the myriad of social problems they've got at home. A gold medal today won't stop that young boy growing up in Tivoli Gardens or Cassava Piece from picking up a gun tomorrow.

 

[Justinr]

A gold medal today won't stop that young boy growing up in Tivoli Gardens or Cassava Piece from picking up a gun tomorrow.

Agree, and i guess its part of the IOC BS of having to ensure the games have a 'legacy' affect.

BTW - is there a Tivoli in Jamaica? I only know the one in Copenhagen.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Atheletics (well marathoner)

Lilya Shobukhova banned for 2 years (Jan 2013 to 2015), PLUS all results dating from 2009 disqualified.

Thats:
3 Chicago marathon wins (plus a 4th)
London 1st, 2nd and 3rd
all annuled.


Paula Radcliffe calling for (via Twitter) the marathons to demand return of the money, plus recognition of the rightful winners.

(As she won the World Marathon Majors title in two of those years, that's a pot in excess of a million dollars)

 

[Benotti69]

Dwain Chambers

I had taken EPO nine times that month and yet opened the door to someone I had never seen before. That was stupid. There is an easy way around the system and one that is fool proof.
Quite simply, you hide.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...ers-Masking-agent-visible-tester-knocked.html

How many riders have missed a test or 2 .....

 

[Nathan12]

Dwain Chambers




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...ers-Masking-agent-visible-tester-knocked.html

How many riders have missed a test or 2 .....

Isn't it unusual for a sprinter to be on the EPO?

 

[mikeoneill]

Isn't it unusual for a sprinter to be on the EPO?

no

they use it for recovery

 

[Benotti69]

Isn't it unusual for a sprinter to be on the EPO?

Did you read what and how much he was taking? I reckon standard fare for an athlete nowadays. Testing is still crap. Testers still way behind the times.

I bet lots of stuff taken is not even required for the athletes.

 

[The Hitch]

Isn't it unusual for a sprinter to be on the EPO?

They were using it in Balco. I remember one sprinter said it made sprinting easy.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

They were using it in Balco. I remember one sprinter said it made sprinting easy.

AFAIR Kelli White talked at a docu about it. Wish I could find it. It was very insightful. I always visualize Kelli White when I see Carmelita Jeter and all this jamaican sprinters...

 

[mikeoneill]

Marion Jones

she had the false EPO positive the same as Bernard Lagat
it later transpired she was on epo

 

[The Hitch]

Science of sport linked this. https://www.ted.com/talks/david_eps...lly_getting_faster_better_stronger/transcript

I think the guy is really in denial about doping. He mentions it briefly but says its only one factor.
Making a big deal about how conditions now are better than a century ago. Err I think everyone kind of knows that.

This also is a bit forced

Throughout sports, technology has changed the face of performance. In 1972, Eddy Merckx set the record for the longest distance cycled in one hour at 30 miles, 3,774 feet. Now that record improved and improved as bicycles improved and became more aerodynamic all the way until 1996, when it was set at 35 miles, 1,531 feet, nearly five miles farther than Eddy Merckx cycled in 1972. But then in 2000, the International Cycling Union decreed that anyone who wanted to hold that record had to do so with essentially the same equipment that Eddy Merckx used in 1972. Where does the record stand today? 30 miles, 4,657 feet, a grand total of 883 feet farther than Eddy Merckx cycled more than four decades ago. Essentially the entire improvement in this record was due to technology.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Science of sport linked this. https://www.ted.com/talks/david_eps...lly_getting_faster_better_stronger/transcript

I think the guy is really in denial about doping. He mentions it briefly but says its only one factor.
Making a big deal about how conditions now are better than a century ago. Err I think everyone kind of knows that.

This also is a bit forced

I think it's ridiculous the title is : Are athletes really getting faster better stronger, then provides an example that proves from 1970 the answer is no, and spends most of his talk showing how the tracks people run on are quicker, and the drugs are better, as much as training may have changed.

But despite the change in training, the hour record on the track for cycling is mostly unchanged.

No doubt everyone hails it as a revelation in something, much like JV's TED talk about skinsuits saving 1000 calories at Paris Roubaix.

 

[fuzzydunlop3]

Science of sport linked this. https://www.ted.com/talks/david_eps...lly_getting_faster_better_stronger/transcript

I think the guy is really in denial about doping. He mentions it briefly but says its only one factor.
Making a big deal about how conditions now are better than a century ago. Err I think everyone kind of knows that.

This also is a bit forced

I thought it was weird how nonchalant he was regarding doping considering that David Epstein has covered doping in the past. He's a smart guy, but he seemed to be shying away from the real elephant in the room. Hicham El Guerrouj may not be the best example to use in his presentation either.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Former European steeplechase champion Jiménez Pentinel arrested over drug trafficking

It appears the Spanish are getting serious about doping with two police operations that appear to arise out of Operacion Puerto - Operacion Galgo and Operacion Jimbo.