Doping in other sports?

[The Hitch]

Damn, for once I wish martinvickers was still around just to see how he would reconcile his 2nd favourite totally clean 100m sprinter attacking his 1st favourite totally clean 100m sprinter.

 

[neineinei]

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Bolt angry Gay didn't get a life time ban!

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/athletics/32444471

"It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The message should be: 'If you cheat, you're going to be kicked out of the sport'," said Jamaican Bolt.

"You have to drive fear into athletes, to make them think about the consequences of their actions. If they're getting an easy penalty why would they care?"

Strong words. Clearly, he would never say this if he was doping. Right?

The stupidest thing he has heard is getting a cut in the ban for cooperating with the anti-doping authoreties. That is what he is upset about. Not the doping or comming back from doping. Or he'd spoken out against Yohan Blake and Asafa Powell comming back.

Usain Bolt has said Tyson Gay should have been “kicked out of the sport” for doping and labelled the decision to reduce the American’s ban and reinstate him as “the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard”.

The journalist should have asked him if he'd rather liked for Jon Drummond to have kept on coaching while trafficking and administrating prohibited substances to his runners.

 

[The Hitch]

neineinei on top form again

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Pure PR stunt by Bolt... He, his managers, and other entourage knows it´s the best way to do it (as LA showed them), because naive (the soft word for: plain dumb) fans believe such BS again and again... Even Kohl understood it: "say what the public wants to hear".

The reality is: Bolt is one of the biggest cheaters that ever did pro sports. On the same insulting level as Horner, LA, Johnson, Bonds... All super arrogant assholes that sooner or later fell/will fall.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Lets have a crazy quiz.

when was the last 'clean' Olympic champion at a sprint distance for this question assume I mean, 100M or 200M.

 

[blackcat]

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Lets have a crazy quiz.

when was the last 'clean' Olympic champion at a sprint distance for this question assume I mean, 100M or 200M.

prolly around Owens time.

 

[neineinei]

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Lets have a crazy quiz.

when was the last 'clean' Olympic champion at a sprint distance for this question assume I mean, 100M or 200M.

The definition of 'clean' must be a significant factor here. Steroids weren't banned at the Olympics until 1976. There were no testing at the Olympics before 1968, and IOC didn't have a list of prohibited substances until 1967.

If we by 'clean' mean 'it wasn't spelled out in big red letters as illegal in the rule book' , Renate Stecher and Valeriy Borzov were possibly clean champions in 1972. Some used that definition when xenon was discussed, so it is not that far-fetched.

If we by 'clean' mean 'no use of any highly performance enhanching substance', blackcat's answer might be as good as any.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Re: Re:

Lets have a crazy quiz.

when was the last 'clean' Olympic champion at a sprint distance for this question assume I mean, 100M or 200M.

The definition of 'clean' must be a significant factor here. Steroids weren't banned at the Olympics until 1976. There were no testing at the Olympics before 1968, and IOC didn't have a list of prohibited substances until 1967.

If we by 'clean' mean 'it wasn't spelled out in big red letters as illegal in the rule book' , Renate Stecher and Valeriy Borzov were possibly clean champions in 1972. Some used that definition when xenon was discussed, so it is not that far-fetched.

If we by 'clean' mean 'no use of any highly performance enhanching substance', blackcat's answer might be as good as any.

Great Post on Drummond N, N, N.

Valeri Borzov !!

About 20 years ago there used to be a comedy program on UK TV called Planet Norwich hosted by Aussies John Doyle and Greig Pickhaver. They had Linford Christie on before his drugs bust. At the time, Christies arrogance was in the LA or Bolt league; there was the "Linford Christie" stadium and most of the time he could not get a sentence out without the words "Nuff Respect" finding its way into the text. His appearances were "stand up, turn the TV off and walk out the room" type stuff.

Anyway these two gave him rope a plenty. Smooth lead in, kneeling before the "great one", stating how he had won Olympic Gold and been robbed by nasty Ben Johnson, how very clever Christie must be to sort out his own training and lead his stable of other elite sprinters. Then they went for it. "Tell us all about the tactics of a 100m race. Linford, whose guard was down, and had warmed to his Aussie hosts, was away. It was car crash TV. After several minutes, one of the hosts said something like it is great to hear you find it such a tactical race, in Australia a few years ago we had Valeri Borsov on the show, you know, the guy who did the sprint double at the Olympics. Well when I asked him about tactics in the sprint he had an entirely different take on it. Nothing you can do about the other fellas, they are all in separate lanes. All you have to do is get to the other end as fast as you can and hope you beat them, Just concentrate on the gun and the finish line. The put down was wonderful and skillfully done by the pair. Better still was the look on Christies face knowing he had been too dumb to spot it coming. I bet he was desperate to stand up and stomp out in a pout but knew he was trapped, if he did that would just make him look even more of a di**head.

Now there is a thought. Doper Linford has a stadium in London named after him. We should start campaigning to get the London velodrome named the Sir (later to become Lord then Earl) Bradley Wiggans stadium. Then London could have two stadiums named after possible dopers. Cookson could be there for the name change with Wiggo, great photo opportunity captured for history.

 

[Catwhoorg]

UKAD warns about 1, 3-dimethylbutylamine (DMBA) being added to supplements.

Basically as a methylhexaneamine replacement.

Can be added under a variety of names such as:
AMP citrate, 1,3-dimethylbutylamine citrate, 4-amino-2-pentanamine, pentergy, 4-amino-2-methylpentane citrate, 4-AMP, 2-amino-4-methylpentane, and 4-methyl-2-pentanamine

http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article...lement-ingredient-1-3-dimethylbutylamine-dmb/

 

[neineinei]

FG-4592

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...e-pour-dopage_4620888_3242.html#xtor=RSS-3208
http://spe15.fr/bertrand-moulinet-un-nouveau-scandale-autour-du-dopage/
French race walker Bertrand Moulinet has announced that he has tested positive for FG-4592. He also admitted to have used it and waived the right to have the B sample tested. Can't find anyone to have tested postive for it before. Is it a new test?

Good article about FG-4592 from 2013: http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/04/oxygen-in-a-pill-the-next-big-thing-in-sports-doping/

So how would taking FG-4592/ASP1517 as a performance-enhancing drug compare to taking EPO? It is potentially better in several ways. Not only can FG-4592/ASP1517 do almost everything EPO can do, clinical trials have suggested that it may have a better “safety profile” than EPO. More specifically, no heart or blood pressure issues have been observed in trials thus far. Furthermore, FG-4592/ASP1517 is available in a pill form and does not have to be injected into the body.

This new compound has another advantage too, relating to iron absorption.

HIF promotes the body’s own EPO secretion from the kidneys and other non-renal sources (e.g. the liver) and up-regulates EPO receptors in the bone marrow to produce more red blood cells. HIF also activates factors that improve iron absorption from the gut, that mobilise iron from storage sites within the body, and that effectively transport all the needed iron to the bone marrow for red blood cell production. As such, FG-4592/ASP1517 has an advantage over EPO injections in that athletes need not also supplement themselves with iron at the same time as EPO administration.

AFDL has confirmed that the Châtenay-Malabry lab made it's first adverse analytical finding for Hypoxia-inducible factors (HIFs). The substance was found in a urine sample.

https://www.afld.fr/sites/default/files/webfm/23042015_cp_afld_oclaesp.pdf

According to the French press the sample was collected out-of-competition some time between 8 March and 18 April. On 8 March Moulinet set a new personal best and the up to then 4th best time of the year on the 20 km, after being out with injury for three weeks in January and having crap seasons in 2013 and 2014. FG-4592 = potent stuff.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

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Lets have a crazy quiz.

when was the last 'clean' Olympic champion at a sprint distance for this question assume I mean, 100M or 200M.

Donovan Bailey 1996

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Lets have a crazy quiz.

when was the last 'clean' Olympic champion at a sprint distance for this question assume I mean, 100M or 200M.

Donovan Bailey 1996

are you serious?

 

[neineinei]

Stem cell therapy at Sports Med Centre to blame for steroid

Malaysian badminton player Lee Chong Wei (former world #1) got a backdated 8 month ban for his Dexamethasone positive from last years World Championships (30 August), and will be free to compete again 1 May. He'd been adminstered Dexamethasone while under anesthesia during stem cell therapy at the Kuala Lumpur Sports Medicine Centre on 17 July 2014. A sample collected on 15 August was analyzed for Dexamethasone after Lee Chong Wei requested it. It was found positive.

Badminton World Federation Doping Hearing Panel Decision on the case of Lee Chong Wei: http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file.aspx?id=633377&dl=1

 

[arthurvandelay]

Blackcat et al:

For what it is worth I find the NBA to be most "engineered" of American pro sports. A lot of what happens seems to be carefully scripted and prodded. There is no way that the most recent superstars (Kobe and LeBron) would ever have a positive drug test. There seems to always be an anointed one who gets most of the media focus and gets cut a lot of slack from the officials.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Stem cell therapy for what?

 

[neineinei]

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Stem cell therapy for what?

"multiple injuries"

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Dodgy as fck.

 

[blackcat]

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Blackcat et al:

For what it is worth I find the NBA to be most "engineered" of American pro sports. A lot of what happens seems to be carefully scripted and prodded. There is no way that the most recent superstars (Kobe and LeBron) would ever have a positive drug test. There seems to always be an anointed one who gets most of the media focus and gets cut a lot of slack from the officials.

plus the back office NBA hq, they conspire to select the best refs who will call games according to the stars liking, or disliking, pending the team. so they get the big market teams, and big stars thru to the conference finals and 7 game playoff
http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Blackcat et al:

For what it is worth I find the NBA to be most "engineered" of American pro sports. A lot of what happens seems to be carefully scripted and prodded. There is no way that the most recent superstars (Kobe and LeBron) would ever have a positive drug test. There seems to always be an anointed one who gets most of the media focus and gets cut a lot of slack from the officials.

plus the back office NBA hq, they conspire to select the best refs who will call games according to the stars liking, or disliking, pending the team. so they get the big market teams, and big stars thru to the conference finals and 7 game playoff
http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read

Holy feck. Look forward to reading the cycling equivalent.

 

[Nick C.]

Re: Re:

Blackcat et al:

For what it is worth I find the NBA to be most "engineered" of American pro sports. A lot of what happens seems to be carefully scripted and prodded. There is no way that the most recent superstars (Kobe and LeBron) would ever have a positive drug test. There seems to always be an anointed one who gets most of the media focus and gets cut a lot of slack from the officials.

plus the back office NBA hq, they conspire to select the best refs who will call games according to the stars liking, or disliking, pending the team. so they get the big market teams, and big stars thru to the conference finals and 7 game playoff
http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read

I don't know if you recall but back in the day they also extended the time frame between playoff games after it was apparent that Shaq was incapable of being dominant when there was only one day off between games. It is one step removed from pro wrestling.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

Until someone like the atlanta hawks turn up and throw a massive spanner in the works by kicking everyones butt all year and leaving the superstars asking what happened.

 

[Tyre Byter]

Re: Re:

Blackcat et al:

For what it is worth I find the NBA to be most "engineered" of American pro sports. A lot of what happens seems to be carefully scripted and prodded. There is no way that the most recent superstars (Kobe and LeBron) would ever have a positive drug test. There seems to always be an anointed one who gets most of the media focus and gets cut a lot of slack from the officials.

plus the back office NBA hq, they conspire to select the best refs who will call games according to the stars liking, or disliking, pending the team. so they get the big market teams, and big stars thru to the conference finals and 7 game playoff
http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read

Holy feck. Look forward to reading the cycling equivalent.

Yeah, especially anxious to read the story behind the neutered neutralization of the Stelvio descent last Giro d’Italia.

 

[arthurvandelay]

Good point Robert Moore. Personally I think this years script includes Lebrons team barely losing in the finale, ensuring another summer and fall of breathless speculation about how he and Cleveland will get their revenge next year. Oh and a few bench warmers will test positive for HGH and steroids.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

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Lets have a crazy quiz.

when was the last 'clean' Olympic champion at a sprint distance for this question assume I mean, 100M or 200M.

Donovan Bailey 1996

are you serious?

Show me your evidence, not your speculation, or rhetoric or uninformed opinion he was dirty because an uninformed opinion is not worth the Forum space it is written on!

Whenever I found out anything remarkable, I have thought it my duty to put down my discovery on paper, so that all ingenious people might be informed thereof.

Antonie van Leeuwenhoek

 

[mrhender]

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Show me your evidence, not your speculation, or rhetoric or uninformed opinion he was dirty because an uninformed opinion is not worth the Forum space it is written on!

Whenever I found out anything remarkable, I have thought it my duty to put down my discovery on paper, so that all ingenious people might be informed thereof.

Antonie van Leeuwenhoek

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/sadness-tempers-baileys-pride-at-having-untarnished-time/article13239573/

– anybody who has been the fastest man in the world between Bailey’s 9.84 seconds at the 1996 Atlanta Games and Bolt’s 9.58 set in August of 2009 in Berlin – has either failed a drug test or been connected to performance-enhancing substances.

Bailey and Bolt are the only two men’s 100-metre Olympic champions since 1984 who have not tested positive for drugs at some point in their careers.

Performances like Bailey's are truly remarkable.

So do they constitute some form of evidence to doping in your opinion?

If yes, then what made Bailey so special as seen above?
If no, then do you consider a doping forum of discussing opinions etc as a court of law?

Maybe you could define what you would concider evidence?

Informed opinion is good, and I agree that sometimes performance is not enough...
However, look at the era, the competitors, the environment at the time etc..

You can ask for evidence and informed opinion, but does performance in a certain environment not constitute the right to forming an (rightfull) opinion?

Bailey's performance that day might have been truly clean, but is it likely so?

Just asking.................