Doping in other sports?

[neineinei]

Irish 200 m sprinter Steven Colvert lost the appeal against the sanction he was handed after he'd tested positive for EPO in May 2014. http://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2015/0716/715305-colvert-doping-ban-stands-after-appeal-fails/

"I'm a sprinter, a power athlete so EPO would have no benefit for me," he said. "You'd want to be daft to use a drug that is so easily detected and of no benefit to you." http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/colvert-vows-to-clear-his-name-after-positive-test-30370056.html

 

[Benotti69]

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I think the problem for dopers with new wonder drugs is that Wada has been working with the drug companies to have a marker in them that can be easily detected. The question is of course how early in it's development the marker is included in case some unfinished product gets to the black market.

WADA is wasting its time as Baclo showed. It aint hard to make the drugs different and undetectable. Over 100 versions of EPO and no tests for all of them.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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I think the problem for dopers with new wonder drugs is that Wada has been working with the drug companies to have a marker in them that can be easily detected. The question is of course how early in it's development the marker is included in case some unfinished product gets to the black market.

WADA is wasting its time as Baclo showed. It aint hard to make the drugs different and undetectable. Over 100 versions of EPO and no tests for all of them.

You don't have to test for a specific EPO though. Endo and exogenous EPO show up differently on the isoform test.

 

[EarnstMorrissey]

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Irish 200 m sprinter Steven Colvert lost the appeal against the sanction he was handed after he'd tested positive for EPO in May 2014. http://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2015/0716/715305-colvert-doping-ban-stands-after-appeal-fails/

"I'm a sprinter, a power athlete so EPO would have no benefit for me," he said. "You'd want to be daft to use a drug that is so easily detected and of no benefit to you." http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/colvert-vows-to-clear-his-name-after-positive-test-30370056.html

When will this lie that only endurance athletes benefit from EPO/oxygen-vector doping end?

 

[ToreBear]

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I think the problem for dopers with new wonder drugs is that Wada has been working with the drug companies to have a marker in them that can be easily detected. The question is of course how early in it's development the marker is included in case some unfinished product gets to the black market.

WADA is wasting its time as Baclo showed. It aint hard to make the drugs different and undetectable. Over 100 versions of EPO and no tests for all of them.

The Balco scandal was 13 years ago. Things have changed.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

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I think the problem for dopers with new wonder drugs is that Wada has been working with the drug companies to have a marker in them that can be easily detected. The question is of course how early in it's development the marker is included in case some unfinished product gets to the black market.

CERA is the only PED I have heard of that came with a built-in marker. What am I missing?

 

[BrentonOfTheNorth]

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Tbf, With nfl, your quality of life after is **** afterwards anyway, peds or no peds.

I'm pretty sure every punter who played the game would tend to disagree.

I don't really like the phrase "the exception that proves the rule" but I think it's fitting here. Punters obviously have very different careers than players in most other positions. It's like including the cheerleaders or head coaches in your analysis.

 

[oldcrank]

Numerous violations at the Pan American Games
in Canada. Apparently a swimmer, a weightlifter
and three baseball players.

 

[the delgados]

Numerous violations at the Pan American Games
in Canada. Apparently a swimmer, a weightlifter
and three baseball players.

I believe the latest is a Peruvian swimmer. Funny how it's the smaller countries that tend to get popped in these games.
I keep thinking of a post made in the Sky thread by someone who chronicled the history of track cycling in Britain during the last 20 years. What h/she said makes a lot of sense.

 

[Benotti69]

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I think the problem for dopers with new wonder drugs is that Wada has been working with the drug companies to have a marker in them that can be easily detected. The question is of course how early in it's development the marker is included in case some unfinished product gets to the black market.

WADA is wasting its time as Baclo showed. It aint hard to make the drugs different and undetectable. Over 100 versions of EPO and no tests for all of them.

The Balco scandal was 13 years ago. Things have changed.

What changed and when and where did it change?

 

[Benotti69]

Henrik Ingebrigtsen ran in Doha - came almost last in the 1500m - and he was the only one tested. Really trying hard to catch the dopers.

Wonder is that how Paolini got caught, they thought he finished so far down on the stage he wont test positive.

 

[SeriousSam]

Kiprop was extremely impressive. Came close to the 1500m WR, finishing seconds ahead of the second best, the 2012 Olympic champion.

Even more impressive, Genzebe Dibaba broke women's 1500m WR, finishing seconds ahead of the second best. She is now being celebrated as a clean athlete finally breaking that dodgy cheating Chinese world record that was considered out of reach for perhaps forever.

And Justin G winning the 100m with yet another 9.7x of course. Bolt will need to find the time and opportunity to charge himself up with heavy duty PEDs. I'm sure he won't take the start if he cannot run at least 9.75, feigning another injury.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

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Kiprop was extremely impressive. Came close to the 1500m WR, finishing seconds ahead of the second best, the 2012 Olympic champion.

Even more impressive, Genzebe Dibaba broke women's 1500m WR, finishing seconds ahead of the second best. She is now being celebrated as a clean athlete finally breaking that dodgy cheating Chinese world record that was considered out of reach for perhaps forever.

And Justin G winning the 100m with yet another 9.7x of course. Bolt will need to find the time and opportunity to charge himself up with heavy duty PEDs. I'm sure he won't take the start if he cannot run at least 9.75, feigning another injury.

Dibaba's performance is one of only two women's records on the track (excluding hurdles/ steeplechase) set since 1996. The other record belongs to her sister in the 5000m. Must be a super talented family to compete clean against the super dodgy times set by eastern Europeans and Chinese athletes in the 80s and 90s. The men's 1500m was incredible, the tenth placed runner ran 3.30.4 which would have been a world record as recently as 1985.

 

[ToreBear]

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I think the problem for dopers with new wonder drugs is that Wada has been working with the drug companies to have a marker in them that can be easily detected. The question is of course how early in it's development the marker is included in case some unfinished product gets to the black market.

CERA is the only PED I have heard of that came with a built-in marker. What am I missing?

I think I heard about it in an interview with some Wada guy or read it in a wada report or something. It was quite a while ago. So I had to google.

Cera actually didn't come with a built in marker, but Wada worked with Roche and had early access so they could find a way to detect the drug.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2008/07/news/road/roche-no-marker-in-new-epo-drug_80701
http://bikepure.org/wada-making-the-right-moves/

Seems most of the drug companies are cooperating with wada.

 

[ToreBear]

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I think the problem for dopers with new wonder drugs is that Wada has been working with the drug companies to have a marker in them that can be easily detected. The question is of course how early in it's development the marker is included in case some unfinished product gets to the black market.

WADA is wasting its time as Baclo showed. It aint hard to make the drugs different and undetectable. Over 100 versions of EPO and no tests for all of them.

The Balco scandal was 13 years ago. Things have changed.

What changed and when and where did it change?

I don't get the question. I suspect you want me to list everything that has changed and what that has resulted in etc. And then after all my hard work, you will find an anecdote that you feel disproves everything I wrote and finish with nothing has changed. I know you too well Benotti.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

22.4 by a 16 year old girl with headwind
Just wait when this girl grows to a Carmelita Jeter like monster. She´ll run faster than FloJo...

Athletics is disgusting, more than cycling, much more...

 

[The Hitch]

ITV just did another - how awessome is it that Bolt is clean vid.

It was real first class reporting. They put a microphone in Bolt's face and asked, what do you think about doping.

He said - dopers make me angry.

ITV concluded, that its going to make him more popular saying that and that he is showing the world you can win clean.


No mention of Gatlin being top dog in the sport this year. And why would you spoil a nice story that way.

 

[Catwhoorg]

UK Anti-Doping (UKAD) has today confirmed that former British, European and WBC International Super Bantamweight boxing champion Abdul Barry Awad, also known as Kid Galahad, has been suspended from all sport for two years following an Anti-Doping Rule Violation.

Press release:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/british-boxer-kid-galahad-banned-for-two-years1/

Decision: (19 pages)
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6797

Positive test for stanazalol in competition.

There is a claim of spiking of the athletes drinks and supplements by his brother after an argument over money.

This brother is a known convict and involved in the drug trade, and had unfettered access to the athletes supplements. The panel basically found that not securing them away from such an individual is indeed significant fault or negligence.

The two year ban (pre 2015 code) begins from that date of provisional suspension.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Barry Bonds anything but innocent as feds end pursuit of charges

...Bonds is a lot of things, but innocent is hardly one of them. His name remains murkier than ever, just like the answers that he gave federal prosecutors in a San Francisco courtroom 12 years ago.

Contrary to the flag bearers of the futile "Bonds for the Hall of Fame" campaign, the decision by an appeals court to overturn his obstruction of justice conviction, and the feds' decision not to appeal that ruling, has nothing to do with the admitted cheater being innocent.

When the court overturned the conviction, it wasn't because it didn't believe Bonds tried to obstruct justice when he answered questions about his use of steroids with everything but the truth.

No, the judges didn't clear Bonds of anything. They just determined that his evasive testimony was not "material" to the government's BALCO prosecution....

 

[gazr99]

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Barry Bonds anything but innocent as feds end pursuit of charges

...Bonds is a lot of things, but innocent is hardly one of them. His name remains murkier than ever, just like the answers that he gave federal prosecutors in a San Francisco courtroom 12 years ago.

Contrary to the flag bearers of the futile "Bonds for the Hall of Fame" campaign, the decision by an appeals court to overturn his obstruction of justice conviction, and the feds' decision not to appeal that ruling, has nothing to do with the admitted cheater being innocent.

When the court overturned the conviction, it wasn't because it didn't believe Bonds tried to obstruct justice when he answered questions about his use of steroids with everything but the truth.

No, the judges didn't clear Bonds of anything. They just determined that his evasive testimony was not "material" to the government's BALCO prosecution....

Ah Baseball, the only sport as f'd up due to PED's as cycling

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Barry Bonds anything but innocent as feds end pursuit of charges

...Bonds is a lot of things, but innocent is hardly one of them. His name remains murkier than ever, just like the answers that he gave federal prosecutors in a San Francisco courtroom 12 years ago.

Contrary to the flag bearers of the futile "Bonds for the Hall of Fame" campaign, the decision by an appeals court to overturn his obstruction of justice conviction, and the feds' decision not to appeal that ruling, has nothing to do with the admitted cheater being innocent.

When the court overturned the conviction, it wasn't because it didn't believe Bonds tried to obstruct justice when he answered questions about his use of steroids with everything but the truth.

No, the judges didn't clear Bonds of anything. They just determined that his evasive testimony was not "material" to the government's BALCO prosecution....

Ah Baseball, the only sport as f'd up due to PED's as cycling

lol you just gave yourself away.

Under this account you are supposed to be arguing that cycling is clean.

 

[argel]

My work involves the NFL, and it's a source of great shame that there have been so many 4 game suspensions doled out over the last decade. I think it's a pitiful suspension and for PEDs should be mandatory one year. I think as well, they should have argued harder with the NFLPA during the lockout for HGH testing to be expedited, and that players can't use the 'non-denial denial' of saying that they haven't done anything wrong, but they apologise for being banned for accidentally taking PEDs.

 

[gazr99]

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My work involves the NFL, and it's a source of great shame that there have been so many 4 game suspensions doled out over the last decade. I think it's a pitiful suspension and for PEDs should be mandatory one year. I think as well, they should have argued harder with the NFLPA during the lockout for HGH testing to be expedited, and that players can't use the 'non-denial denial' of saying that they haven't done anything wrong, but they apologise for being banned for accidentally taking PEDs.

Can you answer what it is with players associations in America. It seems the likes of MLB and NFL in particular basically threaten strikes when the league wants more stringent drug testing. MLB is 10 times worse than NFL in this regard, considering its murky history, yet they still seem resistant to it

 

[gazr99]

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Barry Bonds anything but innocent as feds end pursuit of charges

...Bonds is a lot of things, but innocent is hardly one of them. His name remains murkier than ever, just like the answers that he gave federal prosecutors in a San Francisco courtroom 12 years ago.

Contrary to the flag bearers of the futile "Bonds for the Hall of Fame" campaign, the decision by an appeals court to overturn his obstruction of justice conviction, and the feds' decision not to appeal that ruling, has nothing to do with the admitted cheater being innocent.

When the court overturned the conviction, it wasn't because it didn't believe Bonds tried to obstruct justice when he answered questions about his use of steroids with everything but the truth.

No, the judges didn't clear Bonds of anything. They just determined that his evasive testimony was not "material" to the government's BALCO prosecution....

Ah Baseball, the only sport as f'd up due to PED's as cycling

lol you just gave yourself away.

Under this account you are supposed to be arguing that cycling is clean.

Saying baseball is a f'd up as cycling due to drugs really gives myself away Or is this proof that many of your theories on who is doping are based on you seeing what you want to see, then making it match to a pre-conceived idea

Baseball is really messed up when you see the HOF ballot argument every year, the fact the players association are resistant to stringent testing, yet players still get caught and some players get huge contracts shortly after they return from drug bans.

When have I ever said the whole of cycling is clean? No sport is 100% clean but I prefer the method of innocent until proven guilty not the other way round like many on here.

 

[argel]

Well you've got to question the desire for change amongst ownership.Someone like Jerry Jones (Dallas Cowboys owner) isn't going to be beating down the doors for HGH testing, purely because it potentially dilutes the talent on the field. The owners benefit from HGH, but can play it both ways by simply washing their hands of any responsibility when players are caught.

The negotiations during collective bargaining agreements will come down to trying to manipulate the other side into thinking that what you've given up in terms of non-critical issues (HGH testing, suspension policies etc) matches up with the $ amount. The owners played it really well last time, made the players look greedy and selfish when they were locked out and the blame was equal. It's telling though, that HGH was never a deal-breaker. The owners are happy to absorb the 'few bad apples' rubbish, when there are plenty of whistle-blowers who estimate PED use at anywhere between 30%-75% depending on which former player you ask. I suspect it's closer to the former, but I think it would cover a large number of active, prominent high-end players.

The sad thing is 4 games makes it worth it. It's 'a quarter of a season' in theory, but it won't feel like that, as it's literally 4 weeks. I'd also contend that for guys on the 'roster bubble' ie: in danger of not making the team or being cut, the trade-off is a non-brainer.

It's sad though. It's the sport I work most closely with and some days it just gets you down, you start to wonder what it would take for them to get serious. Probably 5-6 marquee players getting busted in one go. Would not be surprised at all to find a UCI/Lance style cover up if that occurred.