Doping in other sports?

[Brullnux]

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It's a good thing football is clean at least. You know, being about technique and all that. In football, as opposed to all other sports, technique is about the mental, not the physical. I mean, it's not like if two players share the same physical attributes that the one who is most physically fit will have the better technique, certainly not after 90 minutes of hard play! No, technique is a constant, something you are born with and that you cannot change. It's a mystical, almost spiritual thing. And that is why drugs don't work in football. Even if footballers would use them I mean - which is doubtful, since, after all, they have already got all that money. Why use drugs to earn money when you are already a millionaire? Seems like common sense to me. Anyway, the problem with Arsenal is that they always try to walk it in.

Then you see Bale's transformation from stick to hulk.

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

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It's a good thing football is clean at least. You know, being about technique and all that. In football, as opposed to all other sports, technique is about the mental, not the physical. I mean, it's not like if two players share the same physical attributes that the one who is most physically fit will have the better technique, certainly not after 90 minutes of hard play! No, technique is a constant, something you are born with and that you cannot change. It's a mystical, almost spiritual thing. And that is why drugs don't work in football. Even if footballers would use them I mean - which is doubtful, since, after all, they have already got all that money. Why use drugs to earn money when you are already a millionaire? Seems like common sense to me. Anyway, the problem with Arsenal is that they always try to walk it in.

Then you see Bale's transformation from stick to hulk.

Then you see the FA do 1400 tests a year for 4000 pfa members.

 

[The Carrot]

If this article has been posted elsewhere, my apologies.

IMHO it makes many good points, especially with regards to the fans' willingness to suspend disbelief.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/damian-reilly/in-defence-of-drug-cheats_b_7894350.html

 

[blackcat]

Lyon was satirical

 

[malakassis]

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It's a good thing football is clean at least. You know, being about technique and all that. In football, as opposed to all other sports, technique is about the mental, not the physical. I mean, it's not like if two players share the same physical attributes that the one who is most physically fit will have the better technique, certainly not after 90 minutes of hard play! No, technique is a constant, something you are born with and that you cannot change. It's a mystical, almost spiritual thing. And that is why drugs don't work in football. Even if footballers would use them I mean - which is doubtful, since, after all, they have already got all that money. Why use drugs to earn money when you are already a millionaire? Seems like common sense to me. Anyway, the problem with Arsenal is that they always try to walk it in.

lol,absolutely. i mean cycling and olympia ( the evil dope sports) are just a pawn sacrifice to contrast the clean football. the economical damage of a dirty cycling is peanuts compared to a situation where football(soccer) had the doping image

 

[blackcat]

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lol,absolutely. i mean cycling and olympia ( the evil dope sports) are just a pawn sacrifice to contrast the clean football. the economical damage of a dirty cycling is peanuts compared to a situation where football(soccer) had the doping image

this premise is incorrect.

never hurt the N American pro leagues did it. significant suppression of disbelief. Ask all sports fans in America if they think their athlete dopes, and their life depends on the answer, a kind of bizarro world inversion of Goldman experiment. try that one on.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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lol,absolutely. i mean cycling and olympia ( the evil dope sports) are just a pawn sacrifice to contrast the clean football. the economical damage of a dirty cycling is peanuts compared to a situation where football(soccer) had the doping image

this premise is incorrect.

never hurt the N American pro leagues did it. significant suppression of disbelief. Ask all sports fans in America if they think their athlete dopes, and their life depends on the answer, a kind of bizarro world inversion of Goldman experiment. try that one on.

I would argue the American ball sports work really hard to preserve some sense there is integrity a fair game is being played in the arena. Cycling doesn't even pretend to work hard at preserving some sense the race is fair.

In the U.S., there's also the general sense that doping is okay because it isn't their kid.

 

[Flamin]

Anyone watching the swimming worlds? Lots of WR's being crushed and already two former dopers coming out of suspension (Efimova and Sun Yang) world champ again good stuff.

 

[keeponrollin]

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Anyone watching the swimming worlds? Lots of WR's being crushed and already two former dopers coming out of suspension (Efimova and Sun Yang) world champ again good stuff.

Piece#1 in tonights BBC Sports bulletin was their swimming medals & WR breakers, & Piece#2 was the IAAFs *robust response to the whistleblower leaks.

I'd like to think that somewhere in the BBC, there's someone with a sense of irony & the placement of the two pieces was conscious; but unfortunately for the BBC, I don't have any confidence that this is the case

* Considering they had 48hrs to put together the response, I thought is was fairly pathetic myself

 

[Chipist]

Matt Slater does not seem to have his head in the sand. @mattslaterbbc on twitter.

 

[Brullnux]

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Anyone watching the swimming worlds? Lots of WR's being crushed and already two former dopers coming out of suspension (Efimova and Sun Yang) world champ again good stuff.

Watching it, and enjoying it also. Katie Ledecky 3 golds, 2 WR, twice destroying the field completely and we still haven't had the 800m. How is this possible?

 

[WillemS]

Ledecky did not even try to break the 1500m world record, she claims, and said she was surprised she did.

She's toying with us, mocking us. She knows she's untouchable, she is from the "new generation" and swimming would not take it well if the girl who won Olympic gold at 15 turned out to be doped, being a minor and all. So, she's untouchable and probably forever will be.

 

[Tyr]

I had never seen a 18 years old girl suffering from androgenic alopecia. I think she started younger than the average swimmer.

 

[Brullnux]

Not to mention Sun Yang. 3 months 'ban' for doping.

 

[Chipist]

It is quite obvious, the tide was with her.

 

[Pierrot le Fou]

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Ledecky did not even try to break the 1500m world record, she claims, and said she was surprised she did.

She's toying with us, mocking us. She knows she's untouchable, she is from the "new generation" and swimming would not take it well if the girl who won Olympic gold at 15 turned out to be doped, being a minor and all. So, she's untouchable and probably forever will be.

Her 1500m swim was ridiculous. Her split at 800m would have beaten every other swimmer in history, including those in the shiny suits. She's not as versatile as Phelps in terms of number of strokes she swims, but she's on course to be the greatest freestyler ever, she's not far off already at the age of 18.

 

[franic]

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I had never seen a 18 years old girl suffering from androgenic alopecia. I think she started younger than the average swimmer.

Can you expand on this?

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

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Can you expand on this?

This is Ledecky, aged 15, at the 2012 Summer Olympics.

Thinning hair and/or receding hairline are among the typical side effects from anabolic steroid use.

 

[ray j willings]

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Can you expand on this?

This is Ledecky, aged 15, at the 2012 Summer Olympics.

Thinning hair and/or receding hairline are among the typical side effects from anabolic steroid use.

My wife has a friend who has a similar hairline ....not all women have a werewolf hairline and not all women are photographed with wet hair ....She certainly does not show any effects of steroids. Spots, jaw line. heavily muscled. Its a ridiculous statement based on her hairline.

 

[gooner]

An interesting read about the the Irish Sports Council combating doping and the number of tests they carry out.

Testing rates in Irish sport in 2014

Athletics - 213 tests
20 in competition
193 out of competition (85 blood tests)

Cycling - 180 tests
38 in competition
142 out of competition (61 blood tests)

Rugby - 102 tests
0 in competition
102 out of competition (40 blood tests)

GAA - 89 tests
44 in competition
45 out of competition (0 blood tests)

Boxing?- 87 tests
8 in competition
79 out of competition (30 blood tests)

https://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2015/0806/719509-drugs-in-sport/

 

[blackcat]

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My wife has a friend who has a similar hairline ....not all women have a werewolf hairline and not all women are photographed with wet hair ....She certainly does not show any effects of steroids. Spots, jaw line. heavily muscled. Its a ridiculous statement based on her hairline.

you are wrong, they are significant muscles for a 15 girl who swims the 1500 metres. You can argue she swims the 200,400 and 800 too, but you are still wrong. They dont do the free weights of the bodybuilders in the gym to shape their muscles and sculpt their physique. it is 100% functional. Not to perve at on a bodybuilding stage.

The control sample is all the women swimmers who have gone before her. And all of the doped swimmers, especially the Australian doped swimmers.

She is about 5'11", and carrying muscle, but no subcutaneous tissue on her face, and her face rendered off all excess red tissue. This is, #NOTNORMAL. The is a rule of thumb correlation between carrying muscle size, versus the other tissue. More muscle, more other tissue.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

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Can you expand on this?

This is Ledecky, aged 15, at the 2012 Summer Olympics.

Thinning hair and/or receding hairline are among the typical side effects from anabolic steroid use.

My wife has a friend who has a similar hairline ....not all women have a werewolf hairline and not all women are photographed with wet hair ....She certainly does not show any effects of steroids. Spots, jaw line. heavily muscled. Its a ridiculous statement based on her hairline.

to quote

many who've gone before me

"the wood.....for the trees"

at best

clutching

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

She looks like 40. May the side-effects of all the dope... Who knows.

 

[Tyr]

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Nevermind my comment. Saw her twitter, she has that hairline since she was an infant.

 

[The Hitch]

Re, doping in NFL which we discussed earlier, seen this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIZvpHbmkDk