Doping in XC skiing

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Well that trial isn´t about doping per se. It is Second chapter to the events of 1999 when STT (Finnish newsagency) accused Jari Räsänen anout bying growth hormone. They couldn't back up their accusations andthey received big fines. The injured party in that case was Räsänen and several coaches and other authorities. Now they are the ones that are accused. So the trial's main question is did they lie during the trial of 1999.

Thanks to the ongoing trial we know a lot more about the doping of 1996-2001 but we will never know everything. It is quite certain that also we will never know what happened before season 1996/1997.
 
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I didn't dig into it, but doesn't it smell a bit like exposing outdated offenses to keep attention away from what's going on in Finnish skiing NOW?

More like the athlete, coaches and the skiing chiefs got greedy and thought they could stop doping-related writing in the press by taking STT to court. That they did (pretty well until 2001) but now it's come haunting back since they're being charged for lying in court (so not for doping).
BTW That's one reason Armstrong hasn't taken anyone to court anymore - no reason to risk being caught for perjury just for the sake of your reputation.

On a side note:
It seems that every sport is doing the same these days: saying "some athletes" made "some mistakes" in "the 90s" but we shouldn't talk about those events but look forward. If we did talk about those things maybe the general public would see that pretty much nothing has changed regarding doping use in sports...
 
Sep 25, 2009
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snow at the giro reminded me of this thread :)

reporting 2 interesting doping related developments….

(i) veerpalu growth hormone hearing by fis is set for june (5th or 6th iirc)

(ii) one of the most outspoken anti-doping coaches (wolfgang pichler) who went public demanding a certain nation be banned from biothlon, …is hired by that nation as the head coach for the women’s team :eek:
 
Mar 13, 2009
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the Russians.

I think there is some institutional discrimination going on in Olympic events, the Russians are never protected like Western Europe.
 
Russians make the sport look silly by getting caught, and not being kicked off teams for it. Perhaps they tried to win clean, and understood that there was no way the winners were clean. I desperately want to believe in some particular biathletes though.
 
Jun 3, 2010
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Funny. Has Lukoil started sponsoring the biathletes too..? Idealism is nothing when confronted with oil and gas money.

But more interesting from the russians perspective. If doping is an important factor in the russian biathlete team, why would they hire a genuin anti-doping coach?

So which is it? Is Pichler a man of compromises or is the russian biathlete team clean?
 
4x10km from Trondheim in 97:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHWOTlssmog
The norwegians' skis are so much better than the others, that it is a bit embarrassing. The swedes on the other hand, have neither grip nor glide.

People who can't see the huge differences the skis make in XC seems a bit clueless. Even though it seems a bit far fetched that the norwegians could dominate through the EPO era only because of better skis.
 
Nov 26, 2010
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python said:
very surprised that none of our nordic skiing fans linked to one of the most significant doping trials in the recent xc skiing history taking place right now.

New Trial Indicates Extensive Finnish Doping
http://fasterskier.com/2011/04/new-trial-indicates-extensive-finnish-doping/

for a small xc skiing community, this could be as significant as operation puerto (but with the opposite attitude of the host nation).

an explanatory note for non-skiers.

6 members of the finnish xc skiing team in 2001 failed a (novel and secret then) test for hes - hydroxyethyl starch - a blood doping masking substance.

this is the same test that busted 2010 vuelta runnerup mosquera and his xacobeo galicia teammate david garcia da pena.

Regarding the trial, Isometsä may be in bigger trouble. Having testified under oath that he just doped in 2001 and not before a finnish doctor says he provided epo to Isometsä from 1998-2000. The doctor who had no problem helping him cheat in sport took offence to the lying in court.

http://svenska.yle.fi/nyheter/artikel.php?id=218129
 
May 19, 2010
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R.I.P. Mika Myllylä

Mika Myllylä died in his home last night, at the age of 41. The police says the cause of death is unclear, but that they don't suspect anything criminal. Life became very hard for him after he got caught in Lahti 2001. Rest in peace.

http://www.vg.no/sport/ski/langrenn/artikkel.php?artid=10096583

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http://biathlonworld.com/en/press_releases.html/do/detail?presse=1333

Ukrainian biathlete Oksana Khvost'enko will spend next season on the shelf after testing positive for ephedrine at the Worlds. Her case is that she was recommended a medicine after falling ill ahead of the Worlds, but continued to take it without the knowledge of her team doctor close to the event, and so the above-the-acceptable level of ephedrine was the result of this.

The full text of the panel's decision is here:
http://biathlonworld.com/en/decisions.html
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
http://biathlonworld.com/en/press_releases.html/do/detail?presse=1333

Ukrainian biathlete Oksana Khvost'enko will spend next season on the shelf after testing positive for ephedrine at the Worlds. Her case is that she was recommended a medicine after falling ill ahead of the Worlds, but continued to take it without the knowledge of her team doctor close to the event, and so the above-the-acceptable level of ephedrine was the result of this.

The full text of the panel's decision is here:
http://biathlonworld.com/en/decisions.html

Is this strictly an XC and/or FIS ruling?

I was under the impression that the UCI and WADA removed the 'level restriction' for ephedrine (as they did with caffeine).
 
May 19, 2010
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JMBeaushrimp said:
Is this strictly an XC and/or FIS ruling?

I was under the impression that the UCI and WADA removed the 'level restriction' for ephedrine (as they did with caffeine).

(Biathlon has it's own federation, the International Biathlon Union (IBU), so FIS isn't involved in this.) The IBU press release gives some info:

"She admitted that she was not at all aware of the fact that ephedrine, which is allowed during training but prohibited in competition in a concentration greater than 10µg/ml, was an ingredient of a syrup, which was recommended to her in a training phase by the team doctor. The team doctor did not know she took the medication before the competition."

The complete ruling is here.

On page 5 it says:

"According to the 2011 WADA Prohibited List ephedrine is a prohibited substance listed as a
substance prohibited in-competition under para. S 6 b “Specific Stimulants”. However, it is
prohibited only when the concentration found is greater than the threshold of 10 µg/ml. The
WADA Prohibited List has been incorporated into the IBU ADR by virtue of Article 4.1 ADR"

WADA 2011 Prohibited list
 
Ski preparation can relatively often make the difference between winning and being number 20+, especially on some types of snow conditions. If you disregard this then some results will be difficult to understand. For instance, I don't know if Heikkinen had used doping before his win in Oslo, but it was very clear that the Finns had great skis. The Swedes, to put it mildly, did not have great skis that day.

The effect of skis on the results is made larger because skiers tend to try to compensate for bad skis by working harder in the beginning of the race. When they get tired, they end up losing more time than they would if they had started with a more moderate pace.

Did Norwegians dope during the 90s? I don't know, but the Norwegian team certainly had by far the best skis at almost every competition. They also had more experience with altitude training than most of their competitiors. The amount of money spent before and after the 94 olympics contributed to both of these factors. Since then we have exported waxers and trainers to many other xc skiing teams.

But ski structure and wax is still as important as ever. In the sprint and team sprint you will see some participants, e.g., Northug, take an alternative track to observe if their glide is good compared to the rest of the field. Since the most important competitions are held in February/March, the conditions are also more unpredictable for these events.
 
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Mayer "jailed"

Walter Mayer got 15 (3 + 12 probation) months jail for providing PED to biathletes and skirunners.
He is challenging the ruling.
 
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Sep 25, 2009
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veerpalu's 3-year ban in place of a standard 2-year for a single substance signals something has aggravated his doping.

fis did not spell out the 'something'. i havn't found the 'something' in any estonian media.
 
Sep 25, 2009
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veerpalu's 3-year ban in place of a standard 2-year for a single substance signals something has aggravated his doping.
found it…

according to http://www.epl.ee, veerpalu’s intentional delay of testing the b-sample was the aggravating circumstance for which fis added an extra year.

to remind, the sample was taken on 29 january. his a-sample tested positive on 15 february. then suddenly veerpalu announced a retirement. the calculation must have been - it will prevent testing his b-sample or at least would delay the analysis long enough to have the fragile growth hormone decomposed and render the b-sample useless. it was eventually tested on 6 april.

it's an old trick particularly useful in any hormone doping...
 
Oct 16, 2010
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poupou said:
Walter Mayer got 15 (3 + 12 probation) months jail for providing PED to biathletes and skirunners.
He is challenging the ruling.

Walter Mayer also claims that he was scapegoated by the IOC. His conviction (7 weeks in jail, 13 months probation) was supposedly planned by Rogge and the Austrian minister of sports Norbert Darabos, in order to set an example.

http://www.nachrichten.at/sport/mehr_sport/art109,691679
 
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Silhouette said:
Ski preparation can relatively often make the difference between winning and being number 20+, especially on some types of snow conditions. If you disregard this then some results will be difficult to understand. For instance, I don't know if Heikkinen had used doping before his win in Oslo, but it was very clear that the Finns had great skis. The Swedes, to put it mildly, did not have great skis that day.

The effect of skis on the results is made larger because skiers tend to try to compensate for bad skis by working harder in the beginning of the race. When they get tired, they end up losing more time than they would if they had started with a more moderate pace.

Did Norwegians dope during the 90s? I don't know, but the Norwegian team certainly had by far the best skis at almost every competition. They also had more experience with altitude training than most of their competitiors. The amount of money spent before and after the 94 olympics contributed to both of these factors. Since then we have exported waxers and trainers to many other xc skiing teams.

But ski structure and wax is still as important as ever. In the sprint and team sprint you will see some participants, e.g., Northug, take an alternative track to observe if their glide is good compared to the rest of the field. Since the most important competitions are held in February/March, the conditions are also more unpredictable for these events.


Strongly strongly agree. Even ski racing in Minnesota, I have had some obviously awful wax days and most likely good days (you can't always tell). I agree with every claim you make in this reply. At the 2011 World Championships Norway rocked the wax. Sweden? A little more iffy. France/Italy? Who knows since most of there athletes are all about 37... The working harder and paying for it certainly is apparent if you have ever watched a high school pursuit. The guys who should have done well in the first race but didn't, kill themselves to catch up, and usually struggle more than they usually would.

I refuse to think that Norway and Sweden are systematically doping. My belief is that there dominance comes from a culture that appreciates skiing, young talented kids will go into skiing, the money is spent on skiing, and since there is a rich tradition, awesome coaches and wax techs to help them out. A slightly skewed example, Northug is coached by Alsgard, one of the best skiers ever, while the US ski team is coached by former athletes who in the case of Pete Vordenberg, made it to the Olympics, but was never close to the front.
 
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veerpalu’s appeal to cas may become as significant to hGH doping science as the first blood passport cases…

his scientific and not so arguments (deemed by the fis as in-your-face obfuscation) has clearly infuriated the disciplinary panel and rival those of tyler hamilton and floyd landis.

below is the unprecedented collection of the official documents i’ve been able to put together

fis doping panel decision (curiously neither fis nor the athlete ever disclosed it)

detailed chronology of the events (in estonian)

an excellent article putting it all together
 
As always, the creativity used to explain away a positive is astonishing. I wonder if Jeannie Longo, another aging athlete who was rumored on another thread also to have stayed out of competition to hush up a positive, will try to trot out excuses like these if her case heats up. As in the Landis case, the athlete is taking advantage of the fact that with these cutting-edge anti-doping tests, there are numerous factors that might in theory affect the results, and which simply have not yet been tested. One can always claim that if he did such and such, the test outcome would be changed in a way that increased the likelihood of a false positive.

Veerpalu claimed that because more than the recommended 36 hours had elapsed between when his blood sample was collected and when it was centrifuged, the result should be invalid. In the hearing minutes, Dr. Osquel Barroso noted that the longer delay would lead to under-reporting the true concentration of HGH in the blood, not to a false postive. Barroso, who works for the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), was serving as the independent expert, although FIS acknowledged its ties to WADA.

Because antidoping test protocols are not publicized, FasterSkier was unable to confirm either side of the argument. Confusingly, the test window for HGH is approximately 36 hours, after which injected hormones are no longer detectable in the bloodstream if a sample is collected. Veerpalu, however, is talking about a 36-hour delay between the sample collection and processing, which is a separate issue.

Veerpalu was apparently trying to conflate the 36 hour window in which hormone changes can be detected in blood following injection with the length of time which the sample can be stored. AFAIK, there is no rule about the latter, and if the sample was properly stored, there should be no problem. Not sure what Barroso meant. The HGH test is based on changes in the proportions of certain HGH isoforms in the blood, not on the absolute levels or concentrations of any one of them. I think he was referring to the possibility that over time in storage there might be some degradation of HGH, but the key question is whether some isoforms are degraded more quickly than others. This is conceivable, but unless the sample was stored refrigerated for a far longer time than usual, he would not have a case.

Veerpalu also claimed that the long workout he had just completed must have changed his blood chemistry.

But while a 1999 study by a group of European and Australian researchers showed that exercise did spike HGH levels in the bloodstream by more then tenfold, the decline was dramatic after exercise stopped. The scientists reported that the half-life of HGH was just twenty minutes, meaning that if Veerpalu experienced a normal-sized spike in HGH, by the time he was tested two hours later the concentration in his blood would have returned to normal.

However, his team also argues that he was genetically predisposed to a higher-than-usual spike in HGH. An Estonian scientist named Anton Terasmaa claims to have sequenced Veerpalu’s DNA and revealed a mutation.

“Andrus Veerpalu exhibits uniquely strong post-exertion production of growth hormone,” he told Estonian Public Broadcasting in late August. “It became evident that while other skiers had a tenfold rise in the level of growth hormone, in Veerpalu it was a hundredfold.”

If Veerpalu did experience a hundredfold increase in HGH, then after two hours his blood would still show higher-than-normal levels of the hormone.

This is a wild claim, one of the most innovative rationalizations of a positive the Clinic has encountered yet! In the first place, I doubt very much that there is any evidence for a genetic predisposition to an exercise-induced spike that is ten times higher than normal (If indeed it is; several studies have shown that spikes of 100x resting levels can occur). Even if there were such studies, it is even more unlikely that they would trace it to an unusual SNP or genetic mutation. This IMO is a really desperate move, though I hope someone challenged Veerpalu to provide data documenting this 100-fold increase in HGH.

But all of this is probably irrelevant, anyway, because the HGH test uses the ratio of certain isoforms of the hormone—again, not the total amount of HGH in the blood—and the available studies indicate that the changes of isoforms following exercise is very likely to result in false negatives, not positives:

http://www.nature.com/aja/journal/v10/n3/pdf/aja2008254a.pdf

A major reason why isoform ratios are used is because it is well established that circulating levels of HGH can vary markedly over time, not only in response to exercise, but other factors as well.

Terasmaa told the panel that Veerpalu showed higher levels of HGH because he had been living in a hotel room pressurized to simulate a high elevation. Terasmaa said that that this would increase production of HGH, but the relationship between altitude and HGH has not been researched with any degree of rigor; FIS noted that there is only a single study on how elevation affects HGH concentrations in the blood, which concluded that there was no effect.

Again, this is a very new test, and there simply hasn’t been time to determine the effects of various parameters on its outcome.

The champion’s last major line of defense was that the HGH test was not reliable.

Where have we heard this before?
 
neineinei said:
A positive test for HGH has been given by a Finnish cross country skier. The B-sample hasn't been tested yet so the Finnish skiing federation will not say anything more than just that, but according to the Finnish national broadcasting company, YLE, the skier is Juha Lallukka.

http://svenska.yle.fi/nyheter/artikel.php?id=230553

Anyone surprised? Seeing how the Finns skied at times recently, I'd be baffled if this was the only thing they tried. Surely HGH helps and it's addictive, but it doesn't do THAT...?