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You'll have to excuse my ignorance, but I don't know the exact, to the point details of the three athletes. I just know so far they are the only biathletes that are 'allowed' to take part.
In the bigger picture, I haven't read a single word of the McLaren report, and I am quite certain I won't read it anytime soon. I am sure I've mentioned this once or twice in the forum.
Why don't they just simply come out and completely erase all Russian results from Sochi? Why the gymnastics around it?
Bjoerndalen is right, if it's so easy to manipulate tests, then everybody should be afraid after their samples are taken away.
I am willing to bet that people like Ustiugov had nothing do with Rodchenkov, but they are targeted simply because of their potential at the Olympics. I am also certain had he not fallen in the sprint in Sochi and gotten (very likely IMO) a medal out of that race, he would have been in the same boat as Legkov, Vylegzhanin.
So if he wasn't implicated in anything, and post 2015 testing is OK, what's the problem? To me it seems like they are just trying to snatch a whisker that flies through the air and say 'aha, here it is,' without presenting any concrete evidence.
I know what the problem is, Rodchenkov left his post in 2015, then emigrated to the US, where he still lives. So it all starts and ends with him.
And what are Cramer and Pichler supposed to think about this? They have actually continuously denied any doping by their athletes prior, during and after Sochi. Pichler was there 2011-2014 (2015, maybe??, Libertine, you would know this) and he says there's no way any of his athletes were doping and that he would have known and would have said something right away, and knowing how critical he was of the Russians prior to taking over as the women's head coach, especially at the 2008 and 2009 world's where Yaroshenko, Iourieva, Akhatova were caught. He isn't allowed to go to Korea simply because he was a coach? And I am certain now that Cramer won't be allowed to go either. Guilt by association, the very definition of it is being spelled out in this never-ending saga.
Libertine Seguros said:The problem is that the source that lists those three along with the 'forbidden' list simply lists everybody who has been on the World Cup this season, since only Babikov, Akimova and Kaisheva have been 'approved', but simultaneously the SBR had claimed they had submitted 11 athletes for the Olympics, and only 3 have been rejected - Shipulin, Garanichev and Volkov. Interestingly, Kaisheva is mentioned in the McLaren report, as one of 12 juniors who went to a pre-Junior Worlds camp at Sochi in January 2014 - all of whom appear in the report only for one test on that date, for which 11 came back clean and one sample (Evsyunina's) did not have a result recorded. Yurlova and Virolaynen do not appear in the report at all, so although the report does not contain anything that suggests Kaisheva is guilty of anything other than having the wrong nationality as far as the IOC is concerned, for them to have been rejected and Kaisheva to have been approved shows that this is not the main source from which decisions are being made.BullsFan22 said:So far only Anton Babikov, Tatyana Akimova and Uliana Kaisheva are allowed to compete in Korea.repre said:They have RUSADA database from 2012-15 years and made this decision according to that information. Maybe Shipulin and Ustiugov were tested positive in some domestic competitions...Based on the previous investigations i dont think there are even a handful clean russian athletes, so i wouldn't rule out positive tests for Shipulin and Ustiugov. We'll have more information on there soon.
Russians can keep talking to themselves how the world is against them. This is definitely easier than man up and do something about mass doping in their country.
No xc list has been named as yet. I'd love to see the final list. I am willing to bet that list will be made up of skiers that have not even raced on the WC this year....
According to WADA and the IOC, any Russian that was within 1000km of Sochi in February 2014 was doped, including spectators and volunteers. So I hope that the IOC do the right thing and exclude any Russian from even entering S. Korea.
Now, if the SBR only nominated 11 athletes, of whom 3 have been approved, then they're going to have to dig deep into their reserve and hope that the IOC will approve some of the others that the Russians think have already been forbidden (and indeed may have been, but could appeal, though they'd need an Armitstead-esque turnaround to have a chance). For what it's worth, Yurlova's coach confirms they haven't been notified either way yet and they are still confident of making the Games, since Yurlova was thrown off the Russian team during 2013-14 and wasn't involved in Sochi at all. This suggests that they're still processing all the cases and the three approved so far are the most cut-and-dried cases. If we make an educated guess based on the squads from the last couple of World Cups, they're also the first ones alphabetically.
You'll have to excuse my ignorance, but I don't know the exact, to the point details of the three athletes. I just know so far they are the only biathletes that are 'allowed' to take part.
In the bigger picture, I haven't read a single word of the McLaren report, and I am quite certain I won't read it anytime soon. I am sure I've mentioned this once or twice in the forum.
Why don't they just simply come out and completely erase all Russian results from Sochi? Why the gymnastics around it?
Bjoerndalen is right, if it's so easy to manipulate tests, then everybody should be afraid after their samples are taken away.
I am willing to bet that people like Ustiugov had nothing do with Rodchenkov, but they are targeted simply because of their potential at the Olympics. I am also certain had he not fallen in the sprint in Sochi and gotten (very likely IMO) a medal out of that race, he would have been in the same boat as Legkov, Vylegzhanin.
So if he wasn't implicated in anything, and post 2015 testing is OK, what's the problem? To me it seems like they are just trying to snatch a whisker that flies through the air and say 'aha, here it is,' without presenting any concrete evidence.
I know what the problem is, Rodchenkov left his post in 2015, then emigrated to the US, where he still lives. So it all starts and ends with him.
And what are Cramer and Pichler supposed to think about this? They have actually continuously denied any doping by their athletes prior, during and after Sochi. Pichler was there 2011-2014 (2015, maybe??, Libertine, you would know this) and he says there's no way any of his athletes were doping and that he would have known and would have said something right away, and knowing how critical he was of the Russians prior to taking over as the women's head coach, especially at the 2008 and 2009 world's where Yaroshenko, Iourieva, Akhatova were caught. He isn't allowed to go to Korea simply because he was a coach? And I am certain now that Cramer won't be allowed to go either. Guilt by association, the very definition of it is being spelled out in this never-ending saga.