Pretty exciting to see Northug ski in the pack for 49,8km and then outsprint everyone that actually did work and make the race happen. It's a shame. Doping or not. I am sure NeiNeiNei and ToreBear can barely contain themselves right now...
Worst track conditions I've seen since the 80s. The Swedes really didn't succeed with the track preparation this championship.
Alleged training hours of some XC skiers.
Bjorgen: 900-1000 h [1]
Johaug: 900-1000 h [1] Used to be over 1000 but reduced to 900 ("I'll go down a little in quantity, and focus more on having quality at every session") [4]
Kalla: 830 h in 2012-13. Probably increased since then ("I need to train more" - Kalla). [1]
Elofsson: More than 800 h [2]
Weng: 700 h 2012-13, 750 h 2013-14. [3] Coach says the goal is to reach at least 800 h in the future. [4]
Sundby: 980 h 2013-14, 1150 h 2014-15 [5]
Halfvarsson: 750-800 h [6]
Northug: "trained much more than normal as a junior" and "is able to cope with an enormous training load" [7]
Fredriksson: "Most train around 800 h" [8]
Halfvarsson on Sundby:
Fredriksson on Sundby:
Bjorgen: 900-1000 h [1]
Johaug: 900-1000 h [1] Used to be over 1000 but reduced to 900 ("I'll go down a little in quantity, and focus more on having quality at every session") [4]
Kalla: 830 h in 2012-13. Probably increased since then ("I need to train more" - Kalla). [1]
Elofsson: More than 800 h [2]
Weng: 700 h 2012-13, 750 h 2013-14. [3] Coach says the goal is to reach at least 800 h in the future. [4]
Sundby: 980 h 2013-14, 1150 h 2014-15 [5]
Halfvarsson: 750-800 h [6]
Northug: "trained much more than normal as a junior" and "is able to cope with an enormous training load" [7]
Fredriksson: "Most train around 800 h" [8]
Halfvarsson on Sundby:
Fredriksson on Sundby:
Daniel Tynell, with 3 wins in Vasaloppet will not race in Vasaloppet next weekend due to heartproblems after a shorter race this weekend. Apparently he has elevated levels of something related to his heart. The articel is in Swedish.
http://www.dt.se/sport/langdskidor/hjartproblem-stoppar-tynell-i-vasaloppet
http://www.dt.se/sport/langdskidor/hjartproblem-stoppar-tynell-i-vasaloppet
Tyler'sTwin said:dukoff approves of Therese's epic body fat %.
At least she doesn't carry around a bucket of muscle her competitions doesn't.
I'd dated girls that were dry like that, just from genes. 1m58, 40kg.
Working as a docter in the hospital. Good eater for her weight. Just the occasional gym routine in front of the TV.
Some people are just skinny, like their parents.
Ski racers don't really have a reason to dope to get skinny in the summer, I would think. Like a TdF contender doesn't need to in the fall or winter unless gravely in trouble.
I would suspect blood bags and EPO before anything else with Johaug. But she isn't as suspect as some fellow countrywomen who can sprint and not tire. Or look like a heavyweight bodybuilder and then win 30k's.
Johaug is slight yes. But don't call Kalla chubby before you've seen Neuner in her prime. It would take a VERY trained eye to spot her at the beach as a world class endurance athlete if you didn't recognize her face.
Johaug being a 30K specialist and Kalla 10K while able to play a role in sprints does make us expect some differences of course.
Johaug being a 30K specialist and Kalla 10K while able to play a role in sprints does make us expect some differences of course.
Norwegians bashing cheating Chukhnas. http://www.expressen.se/sport/langdskidor/sunt-att-sverige-och-norge-dominerade/
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I found her suspicious mainly because of the team she is on. She was one of those I was least suspicious of.Discgear said:
You see the Swedish team peaking every four years, their incredible performance at altitude etc all made me very concerned last year. With Kalla on another level at the start of last year I wanted to rule her out first. Her performance in the 30k was more or less similar to last year at Holmenkollen. Although a bit better, which is to be expected from a year of training.
Why suspecting the Swedes? I have no suspicions on the younger members of the team eg(Calle and Stina). My suspicion is in part based on some snippets of information.
Fis anti doping and it's predecessor had a Swede at the helm from the early nineties until 2006.
When Saltins suspicion list came out without a Swede with some type of illness giving weird numbers wich some say was not possible with this Ilness I raised an eyebrow. When this Norwegian skier is on the list, but his increase in hgb seems to correlate exactly with the competition altitiude, and knowing that recently the UCI said they avoided testing at altitude because of measurement reliability problems, and not the above mentioned skier, my mind starts to churn. Add that to the lackluster financing of Anti Doping in Sweden. I'm not a believer in conspiracies, but I have to rule them out. I haven't proceeded much in my theorizing since I'm more focused on gathering more information.
Johaug did not have a horrible energy wasting technique on the 30k. Could it be you don't like people questioning Swedes?
You must have read quite a bit of this since it ****es you off. I can not remember the Norwegian media questioning other nations performances. Could you provide some links, or is this some kind of straw man argumentation because you are annoyed about something?
I think Kalla would have won the 10k either way. As for her skis. I suspect you were misled by the glide you saw on the downhill into the stadium. Also skis deteriorate and they change skis. Eg Bj?rgens first skis were bad, but the second pair were good.
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The top Swedes are in the same bio passport program as the top Norwegians, Russians, Finns, Swiss, Poles, Austrian, Germans, Italians, Kazakhs etc. etc. The FIS anti doping program which tested Erik Brandsdal once out of competition in 2015 are keeping the Swedes clean too.
Rasmus thought it best to not let WADA or the national anti doping authorities get hold of the blood values from the 2011 Worlds through ADAMS, so he let the commercial anti doping agency PWC do the blood testing and kept the data to himself.
Rasmus thought it best to not let WADA or the national anti doping authorities get hold of the blood values from the 2011 Worlds through ADAMS, so he let the commercial anti doping agency PWC do the blood testing and kept the data to himself.
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Tyler'sTwin said:
Indeed, she certainly deserves a tribute, or two;
http://i.imgur.com/vTNGDkL.png
Proper work she put down since the 2012-season, adding some decent muscle and overall strength.
Not to say her technique, although not that intuitive to her, it's massively improved.
neineinei said:
I guess once OOC in 2015 sounds a bit worse than once OOC in a period of six weeks.
dukoff said:
I know a similarly built lady 800m runner who does like her weights with similar musculature and fat layer. Appreciate the visual difference between flexing the abs when poling vs gasping for air (is that what the pic shows?) after a workout.
IMO a world class athlete, even the fairer sexy, is allowed to have lean muscles visible. Clean women get them, too. If they live for the sport, skip the junk food and put in the hours.
Bjoergen is a different story. She hauls around muscles that would win body building competitions at a high level, and not in the fitness class, hardcore body mass bigger is better competitions. To win 30k's with crazy vertical meters. That's just not right.
Johaug has some visible muscles on her slight body. Which man doesn't want a girlfriend like that? She can't use the muscles to consistently quality for sprint races.
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Pills (or something) suspected to possibly be doping products were found in two houses in Falun during/after the World Championships. The houses had been rented by foreigners.
http://www.svt.se/wd?widgetId=55603...pe=embed&contextSectionId=967&autostart=false (from ca 29 m)
126 in competition doping tests collected at the Worlds. The samples from the last two competition days haven't been analyzed yet.
http://www.svt.se/wd?widgetId=55603...pe=embed&contextSectionId=967&autostart=false (from ca 29 m)
126 in competition doping tests collected at the Worlds. The samples from the last two competition days haven't been analyzed yet.
Cloxxki said:
Me for example. I find it rather repulsing for lady to have such low body fat. That isn't sexy for me.
I have nothing against bigger boned girls, too.
Kokoso said:
I'm glad to hear that. One fewer man to send Johaug a marriage proposal. If she's into boys at all.
Not to say I only like ultra toned women, curves do have their charmes (and health benefits) just as well. The 900 hours per year look is not my favorite, it gets boyish.
The yoga teacher veggie foodie look is nicer to me, be it slight or strong.
Main attraction to a suptle fat layer on a woman to me is the reduced distance to the core. The core radiates the soul, sight and touch. Fat dampens the connection both ways. A fat lady's smile can seem like a frown. Her skin is cold to the touch, insulated.
A chubby lady's behind is less defining/recognizable than a toned woman's abs.
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Cloxxki said:
For such a compact build and triangular frame as she naturally has, she looks just what can be expected with the heavy strength focus her training has.
Personal preferences are quite uninteresting. Athletically I think she looks great for her frame. Most of the competition hasn't fully appretiated the optimal level of strength for XC.
http://i.imgur.com/kys6ZpZ.jpg
If she kept pace with Johaug on the longest climbs, as close Johaug now is to her potential, that would require some explanation. But it's not the case. Up Alp Cermis she's been about a minute or more off. Many has done better than that.
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sworks said:
Awesome!
And indeed, during off-season and just after the final WC is perhaps a big difference for roid users and their look. I don't frequent bodybuilding forums enough to know the ins and outs.
Alpe Cermis is a special case. It comes after a really hard 6k or so of flat skiing, and a long weeek of many races. Bjoergen has shown that that's her weakness perhaps more than the climbs themselves.dukoff said:
The way she's hung on to Johaug in epic 30K's where Johaug seems to be at her awesomest, I just cannot find a devil's advocate explanation to.
Both can and likely are part of a national doping program, but within it, Bjoergen is like Armstrong. Flexing her/her muscles up an Alpe and claiming to be oh so lightweight.
Her training pictures are charming. Pretty build. That awards picture as far as I know was undoctored (visually) and even if it's a one time moment of unwise exposure (light or public) it forces a list of questions.
OK, Johaug could dope. But to stick with the pace of a doped Johaug who is actually built for the long stufff and sukks at the short... There is just no scenario in which it's plausible. The puzzle pieces don't fit.
Like out-skiing EPO'd Russians and Italians in the 90's.
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