Doping raid Operación Galgo: Fuentes Caught...again

[peloton]

A double no:
1. The initials AC weren't on there supposedly, but indisputably.
2. Nobody says this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Contador was involved in Operation Puerto, but rather that this strongly suggests that Contador was involved in Operation Puerto.

In the light of the data that we now dispose of (i.e. the CLEN-positive, the plasticizer-positive, which, I stress, are no evidence, but good clues all the same), the hypothesis of AC involved in OP is still not proven, but has definitely gained plausibility.
Basically, it's just about doing the math.

going a bit OT here, but Fuentes HIMSELF said publicly that he had never treated AC, but I guess a little thing like that doesn't matter...

 

[indurain666]

Fuentes Caught...again

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dr-fuentes-caught-up-in-another-spanish-doping-investigation

I know Spain is often criticized by anglo-saxon world for doping, but at least Spanish police is doing something (or at least trying). Unlike other countries where doping is rampant too (e.g. Australia, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, Austria) but not many investigations take place in those countries... some hypocrisy, don't you think?

 

[roundabout]

Spanish police may be doing something, however the question is if the system on the whole has changed sufficiently since 2006 for this investigation to have any tangible results.

 

[hrotha]

If Fuentes speaks, the whole Spanish sport will crumble down. They can't afford to truly go after him.

 

[khardung la]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dr-fuentes-caught-up-in-another-spanish-doping-investigation

I know Spain is often criticized by anglo-saxon world for doping, but at least Spanish police is doing something (or at least trying). Unlike other countries where doping is rampant too (e.g. Australia, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, Austria) but not many investigations take place in those countries... some hypocrisy, don't you think?

Yeah, it is funny. Big raids in Spain and Italy. That is it. As for the OP there was no anti-doping law, which was used as an excuse for the ashaming politicians to not do nothing. Now there is an anti-doping law.

The Spanish elites are permissive with doping, that is a fact, but the judge of OP did not have much ground to act, there were no tools at hand at that time. If something similar happens now I will give the reason to all those anglo-saxon critics, but I don't think it will happen again.

 

[sniper]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dr-fuentes-caught-up-in-another-spanish-doping-investigation

I know Spain is often criticized by anglo-saxon world for doping, but at least Spanish police is doing something (or at least trying). Unlike other countries where doping is rampant too (e.g. Australia, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, Austria) but not many investigations take place in those countries... some hypocrisy, don't you think?

Hypocrisy?
The Dutch Gymnastics Federation just banned Holland's most popular and successful athlete of the moment a few weeks ago for doing cocaine.

http://internationalgymnast.com/ind...der-used-cocaine-again&catid=2:news&Itemid=53

Would be comparable to the RFEC taking AC out of competition, which is rather unlikely to happen.

In Germany, Pechstein, pretty popular and successful, was banned, not to speak of the critical treatment Ulrich has received and doping is receiving in general in Germany.

 

[L'arriviste]

If Fuentes speaks, the whole Spanish sport will crumble down. They can't afford to truly go after him.

I read an interview with him somewhere during my research where he said he couldn't talk about some stuff, especially where other sports (cf. football) might be concerned. I distinctly recall almost feeling sorry for him - squeezed into silence by both sides of the law. So I think it would be more likely - given all the investment associated with sports - that he'd mysteriously disappear if he talked.

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dr-fuentes-caught-up-in-another-spanish-doping-investigation

I know Spain is often criticized by anglo-saxon world for doping, but at least Spanish police is doing something (or at least trying). Unlike other countries where doping is rampant too (e.g. Australia, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, Austria) but not many investigations take place in those countries... some hypocrisy, don't you think?

Hypocrisy?
The Dutch Gymnastics Federation just banned Holland's most popular and successful athlete of the moment a few weeks ago for doing cocaine.

http://internationalgymnast.com/ind...der-used-cocaine-again&catid=2:news&Itemid=53

Would be comparable to the RFEC taking AC out of competition, which is rather unlikely to happen.

In Germany, Pechstein, pretty popular and successful, was banned, not to speak of the critical treatment Ulrich has received and doping is receiving in general in Germany.

You have put Germany on the wrong list.

The return of Fuentes is hilarious. Perfect timing with the deliberation over AC's positive. Fortunately no American cyclist would ever hang out in a country so rife with doping rings.

This is turning into a slow-motion car wreck across six lanes on the Interstate.

Dave.

 

[Oldman]

You have put Germany on the wrong list.

The return of Fuentes is hilarious. Perfect timing with the deliberation over AC's positive. Fortunately no American cyclist would ever hang out in a country so rife with doping rings.

This is turning into a slow-motion car wreck across six lanes on the Interstate.

Dave.

As several have mentioned the related Spanish sports federations haven't done anything to mitigate the problem, this is local law enforcement. It will be harder to ignore with AC's situation but may not have any impact on him at all.
I wonder if Radioshack is going directly to the Canary Islands now? Seems like their current camp would attract attention.

 

[D-Queued]

As several have mentioned the related Spanish sports federations haven't done anything to mitigate the problem...

Exactly.

Do you think that they will even be red-faced over the OP connection?

Dave.

 

[washedup]

this thread should be closed, please, LL Sanchez is not involved, this was a mistake from Telecinco, the rider mentionned or investigated is mountain biker Alberto León.

Stop with intoxication please.

This thread should stay open. It is clearly a fair conversation, and is actually responsible for a quick correction and discussion about the misleading LL Sanchez stories.These are the scenarios where public discussion can really guide readers to the truth.

Though, I think it would be funny to have a dirty doper named Sanchez. Dirty Sanchez

 

[Oldman]

Exactly.

Do you think that they will even be red-faced over the OP connection?

Dave.

Depends if they've been sun-bathing too long in the Canary Islands....

 

[hrotha]

This is getting interesting. According to Telecinco Luis León Sánchez is in their list too after all, not just Alberto León. Apparently, after the initial confusion with the reports, it would seem the original info was correct.

Fun fact: Marta Domínguez is the vide-president of the Spanish Athletics Federation.

 

[Oldman]

This is getting interesting. According to Telecinco Luis León Sánchez is in their list too after all, not just Alberto León. Apparently, after the initial confusion with the reports, it would seem the original info was correct.

Fun fact: Marta Domínguez is the vide-president of the Spanish Athletics Federation.

Even assuming she isn't guilty of anything isn't that a pretty ridiculous conflict of interest for an athelete? Kind of like Steve Johnson still racing Master's races in the US.

 

[hrotha]

Even assuming she isn't guilty of anything isn't that a pretty ridiculous conflict of interest for an athelete? Kind of like Steve Johnson still racing Master's races in the US.

Agreed, it doesn't make sense. Which, in a twisted, deeply Spanish kind of way, means it makes perfect sense.

Actually I'd assume it's just an honorary position or something, but I don't know.

 

[Oldman]

Agreed, it doesn't make sense. Which, in a twisted, deeply Spanish kind of way, means it makes perfect sense.

Actually I'd assume it's just an honorary position or something, but I don't know.

It sounds like a number of Spaniards may be assuming that honorable position.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

going a bit OT here, but Fuentes HIMSELF said publicly that he had never treated AC, but I guess a little thing like that doesn't matter...

Did he also deny any of the other cyclist? Or was that just something he let out for the fish wraps?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

You have put Germany on the wrong list.

The return of Fuentes is hilarious. Perfect timing with the deliberation over AC's positive. Fortunately no American cyclist would ever hang out in a country so rife with doping rings.

This is turning into a slow-motion car wreck across six lanes on the Interstate.

Dave.

I was beat to the obvious fun part! I wonder if radio shack is going to try and sell some Tandy or Archer Walkie Talkies in Spain? They had better take the caravan café to another undisclosed remote location.

 

[El Pistolero]

Glad it's not LLS. He adds something extra to stage races(one week).

 

[peloton]

Did he also deny any of the other cyclist? Or was that just something he let out for the fish wraps?

Thanks for proving my point.

No, AC is the only rider Fuentes himself has publicly denied working with.

 

[sniper]

Glad it's not LLS. He adds something extra to stage races(one week).

You didn't get the update yet? LLS is involved afterall.

Originally Posted by hrotha View Post
This is getting interesting. According to Telecinco Luis León Sánchez is in their list too after all, not just Alberto León. Apparently, after the initial confusion with the reports, it would seem the original info was correct.

 

[BroDeal]

Thanks for proving my point.

No, AC is the only rider Fuentes himself has publicly denied working with.

Sounds like the result of a Hog donation to Fuentes.

Poor Contador. Trapped on a team of dopers. Luckily his high moral fiber allowed him to resist the urge. After the team fell apart, he was able to find refuge in the clean cycling environment of the Hog. There he turned into the best stage racer in the world. Think of how much more dominant he could have been if he had doped along with the rest of his teammates at Liberty Seguros.

 

[D-Queued]

Thanks for proving my point.

No, AC is the only rider Fuentes himself has publicly denied working with.

Ah, ok, I believe you then.

Or, at least I would if it weren't for the fact that:

Fuentes continually denied having performed illegal operations

After all, he is just a gynecologist.

I'm with BroDeal. It looks more like AC paid for the premium plan with disclaimer insurance.

Dave.

 

[hrotha]

You didn't get the update yet? LLS is involved afterall.

Originally Posted by hrotha View Post
This is getting interesting. According to Telecinco Luis León Sánchez is in their list too after all, not just Alberto León. Apparently, after the initial confusion with the reports, it would seem the original info was correct.

I wouldn't say it's definitive either way. Aside from Telecinco, only ABC seems to mention LLS, and they say he's being investigated, not that he's been arrested. I'd be cautious for now.

 

[Kender]

Ah, ok, I believe you then.

Or, at least I would if it weren't for the fact that:

Quote:
Fuentes continually denied having performed illegal operations


After all, he is just a gynecologist.

Dave.

at the time of puerto he wasn't doing anything illegal. there was no antidoping law back then in spain

there is now, and he'll do time. the judge won't be able to seal the evidence like before as now it has criminal implications whereas in puerto there was none.