Doping raid Operación Galgo: Fuentes Caught...again

[Semper Fidelis]

at the time of puerto he wasn't doing anything illegal. there was no antidoping law back then in spain

there is now, and he'll do time. the judge won't be able to seal the evidence like before as now it has criminal implications whereas in puerto there was none.

yes illegal in the country of spain (speaking criminally). But I am sure by that time 2006?? the UCI had rules against IV etc.

 

[hrotha]

yes illegal in the country of spain (speaking criminally). But I am sure by that time 2006?? the UCI had rules against IV etc.

Back then, Fuentes said something like "I've done nothing illegal. As a doctor, I do what I have to do for the health of my clients, even if it goes against other codes."

(Because obviously if you don't have to brake on the curves up Alpe d'Huez you're not healthy)

 

[BroDeal]

at the time of puerto he wasn't doing anything illegal. there was no antidoping law back then in spain

This is B.S. Just because there was no specific sport doping law does not mean that there was no illegality. All countries have basic laws for fraud. A theft by deception case could be built against athletes and those conspiring to dope them. Fuentes was not prosecuted because the authorities lacked the desire or will to prosecute him, not because they lacked the laws to do so.

 

[D-Queued]

This is B.S. Just because there was no specific sport doping law does not mean that there was no illegality. All countries have basic laws for fraud. A theft by deception case could be built against athletes and those conspiring to dope them. Fuentes was not prosecuted because the authorities lacked the desire or will to prosecute him, not because they lacked the laws to do so.

And his 'manstruation' gynecology patients were racing Tours in Italy (with its sporting fraud laws) and France among other jurisdictions.

Dave.

 

[peloton]

Sounds like the result of a Hog donation to Fuentes.

Poor Contador. Trapped on a team of dopers. Luckily his high moral fiber allowed him to resist the urge. After the team fell apart, he was able to find refuge in the clean cycling environment of the Hog. There he turned into the best stage racer in the world. Think of how much more dominant he could have been if he had doped along with the rest of his teammates at Liberty Seguros.

Ah, ok, I believe you then.

Or, at least I would if it weren't for the fact that:



After all, he is just a gynecologist.

I'm with BroDeal. It looks more like AC paid for the premium plan with disclaimer insurance.

Dave.

Why would you believe me? Why would I believe you?

Like I said, it doesn't matter that the mastermind himself said that he never treated AC.

He didn't deny treating AV, Basso, Jan or any other rider who's name were on the OP files...

But of course the 23-24 year old AC had the money and power to make the filthy rich Fuentes to stay silent..

 

[D-Queued]

Why would you believe me? Why would I believe you?

Like I said, it doesn't matter that the mastermind himself said that he never treated AC.

He didn't deny treating AV, Basso, Jan or any other rider who's name were on the OP files...

But of course the 23-24 year old AC had the money and power to make the filthy rich Fuentes to stay silent..

Which four riders were direct casualties of OP (i.e. those that ultimately admitted)? (You can eliminate AV as one of the choices, because it was action from CONI that ultimately nailed him.)

What were there Nationalities?

Did Fuentes finger any of them?

Dave.

 

[peloton]

Which four riders were direct casualties of OP (i.e. those that ultimately admitted)? (You can eliminate AV as one of the choices, because it was action from CONI that ultimately nailed him.)

What were there Nationalities?

Did Fuentes finger any of them?

Dave.

Allan Davis, Sergio Paulinho and LL Sanchez were among others in the OP files. As far as I know, LL Sanchez is Spanish.

Guess I need to repeat it again, AC is the only rider, so far, Fuentes HIMSELF denied ever working with.
AC 's family must have a secret money man to make the pay off, when he was 23...

 

[D-Queued]

Allan Davis, Sergio Paulinho and LL Sanchez were among others in the OP files. As far as I know, LL Sanchez is Spanish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operación_Puerto_doping_case

Admissions and evidence of doping

Ullrich & Jaksche - German
Basso & Scarponi - Italian

With all the names involved and implicated, that's all.

Dave.

 

[The Hitch]

Just to be sure, its not Samu Sanchez is it?

I mean i know he dopes but according to me they all do and he is one of my favourite riders

Also, its been said before but Luis Leon cant be caught. His brother works for the Spains biggest crime syndicate.

 

[Oldman]

Just to be sure, its not Samu Sanchez is it?

I mean i know he dopes but according to me they all do and he is one of my favourite riders

Also, its been said before but Luis Leon cant be caught. His brother works for the Spains biggest crime syndicate.

Apparently so do some of the "officials" of some Spanish federations. Must have missed the payoff schedule at the local police station or somethin'. But then again, the head of the UCI used to be a small time Irish race promoter and we know he gave up all of that to carefully manage the shining beacon of propriety that governs the sport.

 

[Aguirre]

I wouldn't say it's definitive either way. Aside from Telecinco, only ABC seems to mention LLS, and they say he's being investigated, not that he's been arrested. I'd be cautious for now.

stop throwing garbage, many souces have denied LLS being involved in Galgo, see today's Marca

 

[sniper]

Why would you believe me? Why would I believe you?

Like I said, it doesn't matter that the mastermind himself said that he never treated AC.

He didn't deny treating AV, Basso, Jan or any other rider who's name were on the OP files...

But of course the 23-24 year old AC had the money and power to make the filthy rich Fuentes to stay silent..

Then you tell me why the initials AC misteriously disappeared from the list.
And you tell me why Jörg Jaksche, a sincere admitter, with the OP list under his nose and the cameras rolling, claims AC stands for Aldirto.

 

[sniper]

stop throwing garbage, many souces have denied LLS being involved in Galgo, see today's Marca

Hrotha says "be cautious for now". How's that throwing garbage?

 

[hrotha]

stop throwing garbage, many souces have denied LLS being involved in Galgo, see today's Marca

I'm not throwing garbage, I'm reporting what the Spanish media are saying. As I said, only Telecinco and ABC stick to the original info about LLS being involved.

 

[sniper]

Spain is throwing away its legacy.
This case'll be casting dark shady clouds (if not sheer piles of sh*t) over all of Spain's recent sportive success (including football, at some stage, I reckon).

Manuel Pascua, Spain's most successful light athletics coach of recent times, coach of, among others, Nuria Fernández, current 1500 meters European champion. Marta Dominguez, Spain's most successfull running athlete of the decade AND vice-president of the Spanish athletics federation. Fuentes once more implicated.

A crackin' joke, but I don't see no Spaniards laughing right now.

 

[neineinei]

It sounds like the media is picking up the story from whoever reported the wrong name. Marca mentioned Luis León Sánchez at first but they have now removed his name (here). El País mentions Alberto León, not Luis León Sánchez. As and El Mundo don't mention LLS either. Sounds like someone saw "León" and let their imagination run wild.

A mountain biker called Alberto León was arrested along with Fuentes back in May 2006, is there a mountain biker called Alberto León arrested this time too?

 

[hubbard]

have any spanish cyclists been known to ever store food in their fridge?

 

[neineinei]

If I and Google translate understands El Pais, a former mountain bike rider called Alberto León has been arrested this time, and it is indeed the same Alberto León who was arrested in 2006. And Marta Domínguez, the pregnant vice president of the Spanish Athletics Federation, is charged with supplying doping products to athletes! Holy smokes!

 

[Ney the Viking]

Maybe we can then hope that the worlds gets its eyes open for doping in other sports tha... I'm sorry I can't complete that with a straight face. Someone will get a reprimand, and the media will focus on doping in cycling and close the eyes for the rest of the world.

 

[Ferminal]

have any spanish cyclists been known to ever store food in their fridge?

Perhaps they do outside Girona.

Foreigners giving Spain a bad name...

 

[hrotha]

A crackin' joke, but I don't see no Spaniards laughing right now.

You aren't looking at the right places. Personally I find this hilarious.

This might come as a surprise, but not all Spaniards are willing to look the other way, and many are tired of Spain's deserved reputation and want to do things right, no matter the costs.

Granted, it's not the mainstream opinion, but it's there, and with the right external pressure this is a good chance to change Spain's anti-doping culture (not just this case, but the list of positives piling up high).

edit: by the way, the president of the Madrid Athletics Federation, who supported Manzano back in the day, has pointed his finger at... Sabino Padilla

 

[hrotha]

Also, ABC has corrected its previous info about LLS being involved (here) after talking to official sources. The Telecinco journalist who kept bringing LLS up insists he's in a list of sportsmen who are going to be investigated, but he seems more and more full of **** every minute.

So, for now, crisis averted in regards to cycling.

 

[hektoren]

So, for now, crisis averted in regards to cycling.

Unless, of course, you read the text at the bottom of this photo

and realize that the text at the bottom is referring to bonuses from podium-results at the TdF, Giro and the Worlds......

 

[GJB123]

Where does that photo come from?

Regards
GJ

 

[hrotha]

That's from Puerto.