Doping raid Operación Galgo: Fuentes Caught...again

[sniper]

QUOTE hrotha:
You aren't looking at the right places. Personally I find this hilarious.

Also, ABC has corrected its previous info about LLS being involved (here) after talking to official sources. The Telecinco journalist who kept bringing LLS up insists he's in a list of sportsmen who are going to be investigated, but he seems more and more full of **** every minute.

So, for now, crisis averted in regards to cycling.

Wouldn't have guessed you'Re Spanish.
I'll tone down a little bit on the Spanish.
(By the way, I lived in Alcalá de Henares for half a year and did quite some travelling in Spain. Must say I love the place & the people. No prejudices.)

Thanks for the heads-up regarding LLS.
But if Sabino Padilla is implicated, cycling is implicated after all. And Indurain's legacy might get smothered after all.

 

[hrotha]

Don't worry about Padilla, as of right now he's not involved and he won't be unless things get really huge, because that'd mean a football team would go down (Athletic de Bilbao). It would be fun, though.

And anyway, Fuentes is already involved, so we can bet some cyclists will be affected one way or another. Apparently one of the doctors arrested was deeply involved with Reynolds-Banesto-Illes-Caisse (which is another reason why the LLS rumour was given credibility).

Man I love the off-season.

 

[Cloxxki]

Dutch track and cross runner Adrienne Herzog, formerly part of Stefan Matchiner's clique, having been trained by a string of doping tainted trainers, and being known for having dated half the doping tainted Dutch male athletes, was now also questioned by the Spanish police as part of Operación Galgo. Her trainer Manuel Pascua Piqueras, not exactly known to be squeeky clean himself, was even arrested.

Herzog moved to Spain to be able to train better, with an expereinced coach, in agreable weather and national culture.
She just came back from winning the most important cross race in NL (Waranda Cross). Life of a talented athlete is tough, when you chose your associations unwisely.

I'd be ****ed. Why didn't the unions warn that the doping climate was deteriorating? Atheletes are pumping all that prize and sponsorship money into Spain's economy. Trainers, medical checks, housing (real estate market needs it there), etc. And what do you get? Interrogation, like you're some sort of criminal!
She's going to Cross Euro's even though her trainer will likely be unable to support her there. It will be interesting how she fares with all this stress and lack of attention from her trainer.

Herzog is understandably quite upset by all this. "I regard Manolo as my Spanish father, I still have great faith in him. That's why I decided to move to Albufeira in the first place." (quote translated from source : journalist Wilko Voordouw of GPD, and atletics website http://www.losseveter.nl)

 

[Aguirre]

please inform yourself, the LLS was a fake leak, a confussion made by an uninformed journalist who listening the name León, made the link with LLS.

 

[Aguirre]

And anyway, Fuentes is already involved, so we can bet some cyclists will be affected one way or another. Apparently one of the doctors arrested was deeply involved with Reynolds-Banesto-Illes-Caisse (which is another reason why the LLS rumour was given credibility).

Man I love the off-season.[/QUOTE]

well, in that case any cyclinst name from the 90's until now could be named: Indurain. Delgado, Olano, Zulle, Jimenez, etc. Stop intoxication please

 

[hrotha]

please inform yourself, the LLS was a fake leak, a confussion made by an uninformed journalist who listening the name León, made the link with LLS.

Are you even reading my posts? Because if you are, you'll notice I was the first one to say the reported name was Alberto León, not LLS, and THEN when some sources were saying he was involved after all, I reported it, saying specifically which sources said it and noting that not anyone else seemed to agree. What the hell is your problem?

By the way, the bit about Pascua working with Unzue/Echavarri riders is not intoxication. Look it up.

 

[sniper]

please inform yourself, the LLS was a fake leak, a confussion made by an uninformed journalist who listening the name León, made the link with LLS.

ur running a bit behind. we got that sorted out a couple of hours ago already.

 

[Aguirre]

Manuel Pascua Piqueras and José Luis Pascua Piqueras...

which one of the brothers was working with cycling? which one with athletics?tic, tac, tic, tac

ah, but there are two brothers?

Misinformation as state of mind

 

[D-Queued]

And anyway, Fuentes is already involved, so we can bet some cyclists will be affected one way or another. Apparently one of the doctors arrested was deeply involved with Reynolds-Banesto-Illes-Caisse (which is another reason why the LLS rumour was given credibility).

Man I love the off-season.

well, in that case any cyclinst name from the 90's until now could be named: Indurain. Delgado, Olano, Zulle, Jimenez, etc. Stop intoxication please

Haven't some of those guys (all but Indurain?) already been busted or otherwise have positive samples? Or was that the point of the list?

As far as Padilla goes, didn't has already provide a Ferrari-like quote on the innocence of EPO. Nothing new there.

Dave.

 

[hrotha]

Manuel Pascua Piqueras and José Luis Pascua Piqueras...

which one of the brothers was working with cycling? which one with athletics?tic, tac, tic, tac

ah, but there are two brothers?

Misinformation as state of mind

Both were arrested.
http://www.abc.es/20101210/deportes/deportes-libertad-201012101634.html

You're welcome.

 

[Aguirre]

Both were arrested.
http://www.abc.es/20101210/deportes/deportes-libertad-201012101634.html

You're welcome.

I know, and José Luis was liberated with no changes against him...

Anyway, quite sad news for spanish sport, but don't speculate, until now, this is a 100% athletics doping thread. And Fuentes was always an Athletics guy, rather than cycling.

Anyway, he is a cancer for sport.

 

[sniper]

I know, and José Luis was liberated with no changes against him...

Anyway, quite sad news for spanish sport, but don't speculate, until now, this is a 100% athletics doping thread. And Fuentes was always an Athletics guy, rather than cycling.

you can speculate, as long as you make clear you're speculating.
in fact, you don't make any progress if you don't speculate.

 

[Escarabajo]

well, in that case any cyclinst name from the 90's until now could be named: Indurain. Delgado, Olano, Zulle, Jimenez, etc. Stop intoxication please

Because they are so clean????

 

[Aguirre]

olano wasn't clean? facts, facts, everybody is innocent until proven guilty.

Anyway, I could have add any rider of those teams across 30 years.

Julian Gorospe also never got caught! Cycling culture quid: Anybody knows who was Gorospe?

 

[hrotha]

olano wasn't clean? facts, facts, everybody is innocent until proven guilty.

Anyway, I could have add any rider of those teams across 30 years.

Julian Gorospe also never got caught! Cycling culture quid: Anybody knows who was Gorospe?

Gorospe was this guy who didn't quite get to be half as good as expected. I don't know why your unwillingness to discuss doping or put one and one together would make you more knowledgeable about cycling than anyone else.

As for Olano, he worked with Ferrari. He stopped working with him, moved to Banesto and couldn't climb for **** until he signed for ONCE. Again, do the math.

 

[sniper]

Julian Gorospe also never got caught! Cycling culture quid: Anybody knows who was Gorospe?

Wasn't he the guy who never won anything because he didn't dope?

 

[Oldman]

Gorospe was this guy who didn't quite get to be half as good as expected. I don't know why your unwillingness to discuss doping or put one and one together would make you more knowledgeable about cycling than anyone else.

As for Olano, he worked with Ferrari. He stopped working with him, moved to Banesto and couldn't climb for **** until he signed for ONCE. Again, do the math.

+1: ONCE resurrected several careers in a surprising way. Who'd ever think JaJa would be a Polka-dot climber?

 

[sniper]

+1: ONCE resurrected several careers in a surprising way. Who'd ever think JaJa would be a Polka-dot climber?

Sure thing. Though Erik Breukink never really stood up to the expectations after having finished second in the 1990 TdF.
In Holland we expected alot from him after his move to ONCE, but he never turned into the captain we had hoped. Zülle was better.
Some believe Breukink never did any hardcore doping in his ONCE period, due to his bad experiences with PDM in the 1991 TdF.
In any case, he never returned to his old form.

 

[roundabout]

+1: ONCE resurrected several careers in a surprising way. Who'd ever think JaJa would be a Polka-dot climber?

To be fair, Jalabert went from a classics guy with a fast sprint to a Grand Tour winner at ONCE and "regressed" to polka-dots at CSC.

 

[Mr.38%]

Before EPO it was 90% talent (aerobic fitness, robustness) and training. A bit of anabolics for recovery, speed for those days when they weren't able to train or race and corticosteroids as the most underrated drug that actually made them a bit faster during a long race. So if you judge a rider before ca. 1990 you judge the rider, not the doctor.

Gorospe had talent but not as much as LeMond or Hinaults and Fignons class. Roche may rot in hell though.

 

[El Pistolero]

olano wasn't clean? facts, facts, everybody is innocent until proven guilty.

Anyway, I could have add any rider of those teams across 30 years.

Julian Gorospe also never got caught! Cycling culture quid: Anybody knows who was Gorospe?

Anquetil was also never caught, but everyone knows he doped

 

[icefire]

Sure thing. Though Erik Breukink never really stood up to the expectations after having finished second in the 1990 TdF.
In Holland we expected alot from him after his move to ONCE, but he never turned into the captain we had hoped. Zülle was better.
Some believe Breukink never did any hardcore doping in his ONCE period, due to his bad experiences with PDM in the 1991 TdF.
In any case, he never returned to his old form.

Breukink was hit by a car the year he moved to ONCE just before the Tour.

 

[icefire]

Before EPO it was 90% talent (aerobic fitness, robustness) and training. A bit of anabolics for recovery, speed for those days when they weren't able to train or race and corticosteroids as the most underrated drug that actually made them a bit faster during a long race. So if you judge a rider before ca. 1990 you judge the rider, not the doctor.

Gorospe had talent but not as much as LeMond or Hinaults and Fignons class. Roche may rot in hell though.

Gorospe was weak minded. He never got over having lost the Vuelta in 1983 in the way he did it.

 

[D-Queued]

olano wasn't clean? facts, facts, everybody is innocent until proven guilty.

...

Remember those other '99 EPO positives?

Dave.

 

[sniper]

Breukink was hit by a car the year he moved to ONCE just before the Tour.

But he still won races afterwards, although, as I said, he never regained his old form. From a possible TdF winner in 1990 to a watercarryer in ONCE.
If that decline were due to the car accident, you wouldn't expect him to have won any races at all after that accident.
Dunno, it seems to me that if he'd done hardcore doping in the ONCE period, he'd have been more competitive in that period.
But I might be wrong.