Dr. Luis Garcia del Moral, Dr. Michele Ferrari and Jose “Pepe” Martí life bans

[roundabout]

There are right people to be protected

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Lolzz hilarious

 

[MacRoadie]

UCI responds
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-comments-on-usada-lifetime-bans

BOOM!

Here you go Paddie:

WADA statement on Mutual Recognition

In the case of members of the athlete entourage that can happen in a number of ways, as the IOC and other international federations have demonstrated in the past by withdrawing accreditation or permission to be involved in events, refusing team membership or participation, and removing the right to be part of a medical or coaching commission for itself or National Federations

Thank you WADA!

 

[Bala Verde]

Since it's Ferrari related, I thought I post it here:

28 june 2012

In the spring of 2010, some riders of a Pro-Tour team that were training at altitude (on Teide, Tenerife) were subjected to the normal ABP samples. One they received the results of the analysis, considering them unreliable (the values were too high), all it took was a phone call from the team doctor to his friend Dr. Zorzoli, in charge of UCI's doping department, in order to get the results of those tests cleared from the profiles, as deemed inconvenient for the Team and for the sake of the Biological Passport system, which tends not to consider the effects of altitude.
This behavior reminds me of the rather common habit of certain Researchers to hide or simply ignore "inconvenient data", i.e. furthest from the "truth" that they want to prove.

Very recently the UCI opened an ABP proceeding on a cyclist, considering data going back 3-4 year from now.
Of course the "experts" who assessed the case were NOT aware of the name of athlete, as the regulation prescribes and as it probably happened in all the cases that have previously been sanctioned.

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=115

Is this some of the dirty laundry we might expect to see in the near future?

 

[BroDeal]

Since it's Ferrari related, I thought I post it here:



http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=115

Is this some of the dirty laundry we might expect to see in the near future?

Add those quotes to the ones you posted in the other thread about Ferrari calculating power to weight ratios of 6.47 W/kg with the high cadence indicating that they submaximal. He is basically accusing Wiggins, Evans, and Nibali of doping. It makes you wonder what else he might write.

 

[sniper]

Since it's Ferrari related, I thought I post it here:



http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=115

Is this some of the dirty laundry we might expect to see in the near future?

thanks for posting this. sounds like ferrari won't go down without placing some punches himself.
quite a damning accusation against zorzoli. and it doesn't sound as if he's making this up.

 

[sniper]

BOOM!

Here you go Paddie:

WADA statement on Mutual Recognition



Thank you WADA!

one problem with the uci is their infinite arrogance.
they don't feel obliged to answer to any of the troubling news and suspicions (whether fact or speculation) that have surfaced and are surfacing.
Perhaps it's because they feel they still have a large enough share of the international cycling press on their side?

 

[sniper]

German press calling BS on Pat's argument that the LA vs. USADA case is "part of the past":

http://www.sportschau.de/weitere/radsport/gesperrtearmstronghelfer100.html

Kein Wort verlor McQuaid darüber, dass die USADA gerade lebenslange, weltweite Sperren gegen die einstigen Armstrong-Helfer Dr. Michele Ferrari, Dr. Luis Garcia del Moral und Jose Marti verhängt hat, weil sie in das Dopingsystem von Armstrongs US-Postal-Team involviert waren. Hätte der UCI-Präsident das getan, er hätte wohl eingestehen müssen, dass die vermeintliche Vergangenheit des Radsports durchaus bis in die Gegenwart reicht. So heißt es in der Erklärung der USADA im Bezug auf Ferrari: "Seit den neunziger Jahren bis in die Gegenwart war Dr. Ferrari Berater zahlreicher Radsportler und mehrer Radsportteams."

Interesting details on Del Moral:

Auch der Sportmediziner del Moral, der von 1999 bis 2003 die ersten fünf Toursiege Armstrongs als Teamarzt bei US Postal begleitete, ist keinesfalls nur eine Figur aus der dunklen Vergangenheit. Der Mediziner, der bis vor kurzem noch am Institut für Sportmedizin in Valencia arbeitete, ist nicht nur im Radsport bis heute gut vernetzt. Del Moral gehört zum Team der ebenfalls in Valencia ansässigen Sport Consulting Firma "Performa", die auf ihrer Internetseite "maßgeschneidertes Training" verspricht.

Bis Mittwochmorgen konnte man dort auch die Referenzen des Sportmediziners nachlesen. Kurz darauf war der Eintrag verschwunden. Aber es war eine durchaus ansehnliche Vita: Neben seiner Arbeit für Armstrongs Rennstall gehörte del Moral in der Saison 2003/2004 zum medizinischen Stab des FC Barcelona. Auch die Fußballer des FC Valencia ließen sich von del Moral betreuen. Die Tennisprofis Marat Safin und Dinara Safina gehörten ebenfalls zu seinen Klienten. Und auch French-Open-Finalistin Sara Errani soll auf seine Dienste vertrauen. Der bis Februar 2012 wegen des Besitzes von Dopingmitteln gesperrte Geher Francisco Fernandez, Europameister von 2006, erklärte im November 2009, er werde von del Moral betreut.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

one problem with the uci is their infinite arrogance.

Not only that, they are corrupt as hell too. No surprise of course.

What were for instance the chances Pantani got busted in the 1999 Giro right at the moment the criminal Hein V. showed up in Madonna di Campiglio? All a coincidence of course

It says enough Pat M. doesn't sees the lifetime bans for the above as a matter to the UCI. Pat M., the Omerta gatekeeper. That said, what are the credentials for one to become the DS of the UCI? We know Verbruggen commercialised the sport to a degree it almost is as sick as soccer, what are McQuiads' credentials? He was no more than a so so rider, http://www.dewielersite.net/db2/wielersite/coureurfiche.php?coureurid=5829 , what o what made him the big godzilla of cycling?

 

[airstream]

Such great specialists can't be suspended from sport. Sport itself will never let them go.

 

[Maxiton]

German press calling BS on Pat's argument that the LA vs. USADA case is "part of the past":

http://www.sportschau.de/weitere/radsport/gesperrtearmstronghelfer100.html



Interesting details on Del Moral:

Would you mind translating?

 

[sniper]

Would you mind translating?

yeah, sorry about that. time is not on my side, but basically the article says that all three banned doctors have maintained contacts to members/teams of the propeloton up till very recently if not up till today, so that Pat's mantra that the USADA case is supposedly part of the past is really a non-argument.
And e.g. with guys like Contador (Marti's customer) returning from suspension, the USADA case actually very much concerns the future of cycling.

Re: Ferrari: he's now presumably acting from/practicing in Switzerland.
Re: del Moral: until a few days ago, he was a principal representative of a firm that offers cycling training programs online. After the Usada case broke, his name was removed from the website.
Re: del Moral: the article also provides some details on his involvement in tennis and, new to me, that he was hired by FC Barcelona and FC Valencia in the recent past.

 

[Benotti69]

Such great specialists can't be suspended from sport. Sport itself will never let them go.

I wonder how many lives these 3 have ruined. I dont see them as great, the opposite. I hope that the relevant police authorities step in to ensure that these people are prosecuted for procuring pharmaceuticals and administering them illegally.

 

[Race Radio]

Ferrari has his sad face on

 

[frenchfry]

Ferrari has his sad face on

Look at the bright side Michele, you still have Lancey-poo as a family friend.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Ferrari reacts, per BBC:

...
But Dr Ferrari said that he had never witnessed any kind of doping within cycling teams.
...
But in a statement on his website, Dr Ferrari dismisses the idea that olive oil could facilitate or conceal testosterone.

"This is an old legend that has circulated for years in the peloton, a sort of magical mixture to fantasize over while sipping a beer," he said in a statement on his website.
...
However Dr Ferrari has denied receiving any form of official communication from USADA and says he has learned from the media that he has been banned for life.

The head of the UCI, cycling's governing body, expressed some bemusement at the ban suggesting that Dr Ferrari did not hold a current training licence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18813674

And on his website:

As of today, I personally have NOT received any official communication concerning a USADA case against me.
...

- "Oil with testosterone": the presumption that olive oil may somehow facilitate or conceal the use of testosterone by athletes is a statement which is simply risible and that any endocrinologist will promptly deny.
This is an old "legend" that has circulated for years in the peloton, a sort of magical mixture to fantasize over while sipping a beer (maybe more than one ...);

- "Intravenous EPO": the knowledge that intravenous administration would allow a more rapid elimination can be compared to reinventing the wheel.
It is well known ever since the appearance of rhEPO (late 80s) that the half-life (elimination) of the drug administered intravenously is approximately 5 hours, compared to the 20-25 hours with subcutaneous administration: this information appears on the therapeutic indications booklet inside the package. Surely there was no need for Dr. Ferrari to advise on what everyone already knew;

- I have NEVER witnessed any kind of doping practices taking place within the USPS team: I never went to races and at the team training camps I have attended, I was simply performing functional testing and making training programs;

- with regards to the alleged testimonies of riders, some were infamous protagonists of unfortunate events and documented lies; the others probably are those "semi-Champions" who chose to dope, chasing dreams of glory and money or just for envy, organizing it all themselves for their own sake.

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=116

 

[college]

Ferrari reacts, per BBC:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18813674

And on his website:



http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=116

Is there any rule that says usada has to notify via personal communication that they have banned someone for life?
Maybe Dr. Ferrari just wanted to prove a point to back up what Pat said yesterday? For example the UCI and Dr. Ferrari do not care what usada does?

 

[BroDeal]

Ferrari reacts, per BBC]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18813674

And on his website:

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=116

Forget about using an oil mix to avoid detection. Using oil was brilliant. First, it does not require needles or anything to administer it, just a measured amount put in the mouth. Not carrying hypodermic needles, pills, or patches where they could be discovered by a police search leads to the second reason. It looks completely innocent. A big bottle of testosterone laced olive oil could be carried with the rest of the team chef's supplies. Police could see it and not think twice about it. The logistics of doping becomes simpler. The team does not need a courier with testosterone to meet the team each evening.

 

[college]

Look at the bright side Michele, you still have Lancey-poo as a family friend.

Yes that is true. Lance and Dr. Ferrari are family friends.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

BOOM!

Here you go Paddie:

WADA statement on Mutual Recognition

Thank you WADA!

Paddy says "Cease and desist"
WADA says "Start and assist".

Ferrari reacts, per BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18813674

And on his website:

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=116

Poor Michele - maybe we should start a Ferrari Fairness Fund, anyone know his Swiss acc details?

 

[red_flanders]

Ferrari reacts, per BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18813674

And on his website:
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=116

I have to wonder at whom this it aimed.

If he wanted people to listen to and believe his statements, hey, he should'a gone to the hearing. But nope. Just put in a "no contest" and launch PR nonsense.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I have to wonder at whom this it aimed.

If he wanted people to listen to and believe his statements, hey, he should'a gone to the hearing. But nope. Just put in a "no contest" and launch PR nonsense.

Correct - unless he was off on holidays in his campervan.

 

[BroDeal]

What I want to know is if I can still get a 10% discount on a hotel in Tenerife by mentioning that I am a client of Dr. Ferrari. Does the USADA ban extend to hotel discounts?

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Bis Mittwochmorgen konnte man dort auch die Referenzen des Sportmediziners nachlesen. Kurz darauf war der Eintrag verschwunden. Aber es war eine durchaus ansehnliche Vita: Neben seiner Arbeit für Armstrongs Rennstall gehörte del Moral in der Saison 2003/2004 zum medizinischen Stab des FC Barcelona. Auch die Fußballer des FC Valencia ließen sich von del Moral betreuen.

Re: del Moral: the article also provides some details on his involvement in tennis and, new to me, that he was hired by FC Barcelona and FC Valencia in the recent past.

Seems like a pretty ******* big deal to me.

Wouldn't surprise me if no one else in the media picked up on it...

 

[sniper]

Seems like a pretty ******* big deal to me.

Wouldn't surprise me if no one else in the media picked up on it...

The German press is all over it. But they're just jealous of course.

This is from today, one of the biggest German newspapers, Süddeutsche Zeitung, questioning the Spanish Golden Generation of sports based on the recent developments.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/sp...iche-hilfe-fuer-die-generation-gold-1.1410286

Die neuerlichen Doping-Enthüllungen um Armstrongs Helfer gehen weit über den Radsport hinaus, sie betreffen den Spitzensport in ganz Spanien: Fußball, Tennis, Leichtathletik, Rad. Generation Gold nennt sich diese denkwürdige Fügung des Schicksals - doch es könnte auch illegale Gründe geben für die wundersame Dominanz.

TRANSLATION: "the recent developments regarding Armstrong's helpers go well beyond cycling. They concern the whole of Spanish topsports: football, tennis, athletics, cycling. Generation Gold they call it - but there might well be illegal grounds for this remarkable dominance"