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rhubroma

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What about the Iran-Contra case? The United States convicted eleven administration officials that were involved in that case. The OJ case? I think that he was guilty myself but the state of California failed to prove their criminal case well enough to convince the jury to convict. Los Angeles County spent over $9.2 million trying to prosecute OJ.
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But not Reagan. ;)
 
frenchfry

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David Wilcox could have written this song for DSK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-iWndG4Xr0

MY EYES KEEP ME IN TROUBLE

My eyes keep me in trouble
I want every woman I see
My eyes keep me in trouble
I want every woman I see
Ahh you pretty women kill me
You're gonna get poor me

Now I want women on my left
Women on my right
Women all day
Women all night
I want to love pretty women
That is a natural fact
Natural fact
I want to love pretty women
Love 'em till their hair turns back

Now when you see me comin'
Raise your window high
Now when you see me comin'
Raise your window high
She's got a bad old man
And I'm too young to die

My eyes keep me in trouble
I want every woman I see
My eyes keep me in trouble
I want every woman I see
Ahh you pretty women kill me
You're gonna get poor me

This scandal has opened a very interesting and much needed debate in France. Up to now women victimised by DSK and his type have been reluctant to say anything because they were afraid the powerful establishment would grind them up - and we now have proof that they were right. There is a difference between attempted seduction and sexual harassment, and obviously another step to rape. The problem here (France) is that when the rich and powerful aggress women it is considered their private life and therefore the press and others feel they can't discuss the issue. I think that the DSK scandal will move the goalposts so that victims will feel more empowered and this kind of behaviour will no longer be condoned. It is revolting to see DSK's establishment buddies jump to his defence and attack the victim.

I have always thought DSK was a disgusting pig, and am not surprised this has happened. What is sad is that many share this opinion of him, yet he was allowed to continue traumatising many women. Whether or not he is guilty in this specific incident is almost beside the point as he deserved to be taught a major lesson.
 
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.....The problem here (France) is that when the rich and powerful aggress women it is considered their private life and therefore the press and others feel they can't discuss the issue. ................

I have always thought DSK was a disgusting pig, ...........
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The problem here (France) is that when the rich and powerful aggress women it is considered their private life and therefore the press and others feel they can't discuss the issue

You have heard of that type of behaviour by leading politicians in the past, say, 20 years? Or by prominent public figures? Could you gives us some examples?


I have always thought DSK was a disgusting pig,

Again, you obviously have - since always, whenever that was -access to information sources unknown to most fairly informed people.

However, if an article published right now on "Le monde" website is correct, he really is pretty disgusting.
 
frenchfry

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Le breton said:
The problem here (France) is that when the rich and powerful aggress women it is considered their private life and therefore the press and others feel they can't discuss the issue

You have heard of that type of behaviour by leading politicians in the past, say, 20 years? Or by prominent public figures? Could you gives us some examples?


I have always thought DSK was a disgusting pig,

Again, you obviously have - since always, whenever that was -access to information sources unknown to most fairly informed people.

However, if an article published right now on "Le monde" website is correct, he really is pretty disgusting.
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I suppose I took the liberty of using "always" as a figure of speech meaning for a long time. My comment on general behavior is based on my personal feelings towards men who act like DSK, but if you watched the debate on "Des Paroles et des Actes" on Thursday you would have seen that there are others who share this opinion. Especially women who are victims of this behavior and have been traumatised. Robert Badinter's contribution to the show was symbolic of how the ruling class views their own, he was pathetic. In the end though it was a good thing he could express his point of view, as he got ripped apart by others with a little more humanity than him.

As to access to information, it has been out there but in general has been banalised/minimised. I was very surprised that the Nagy affair was covered up, as she clearly alleged that DSK had used his position to coerce her into sleeping with him. The financial crisis was probably his saviour, but it appears he didn't learn his lesson.

Stéphane Guillon's sketch on France Inter was a classic, and in hindsight he hit the nail squarely on the head. DSK accused him of being mean, turns out he was just telling it like it is.
 
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I suppose I took the liberty of using "always" as a figure of speech meaning for a long time. My comment on general behavior is based on my personal feelings towards men who act like DSK, but if you watched the debate on "Des Paroles et des Actes" on Thursday you would have seen that there are others who share this opinion. Especially women who are victims of this behavior and have been traumatised. Robert Badinter's contribution to the show was symbolic of how the ruling class views their own, he was pathetic. In the end though it was a good thing he could express his point of view, as he got ripped apart by others with a little more humanity than him.

As to access to information, it has been out there but in general has been banalised/minimised. I was very surprised that the Nagy affair was covered up, as she clearly alleged that DSK had used his position to coerce her into sleeping with him. The financial crisis was probably his saviour, but it appears he didn't learn his lesson.

Stéphane Guillon's sketch on France Inter was a classic, and in hindsight he hit the nail squarely on the head. DSK accused him of being mean, turns out he was just telling it like it is.
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I will look for reruns of that show. Badinter pathetic? hard to believe (although his wife occasionnaly is).

Not convinced concerning Nagy.

I did not really enjoy Stéphane Guillon in general, too mean for my taste at 8 a.m., but D. Mermet I believe it was, played again that DSK bit (word chosen on purpose) last week and it was really excellent.
As an aside I went to see the performance of one of Anne Sinclair's classmates last night in Geneva (Véronique Sanson, she was OK, good band, she was in excellent mood, not drunk like she seemed to be recently when I saw her on "On n'est pas couchés", didn't go on stage afterwards to ask her her opinion about DSK)
 
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I will look for reruns of that show. Badinter pathetic? hard to believe (although his wife occasionnaly is).

Not convinced concerning Nagy.

I did not really enjoy Stéphane Guillon in general, too mean for my taste at 8 a.m., but D. Mermet I believe it was, played again that DSK bit (word chosen on purpose) last week and it was really excellent.
As an aside I went to see the performance of one of Anne Sinclair's classmates last night in Geneva (Véronique Sanson, she was OK, good band, she was in excellent mood, not drunk like she seemed to be recently when I saw her on "On n'est pas couchés", didn't go on stage afterwards to ask her her opinion about DSK)
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About 6 or 7 years ago I heard Mermet animate a show that dealt with kinky sex (can't remember if it was on là-bas si j'y suis). He really seemed to be getting off on it. Didn't he have a late night erotic radio show at one time?

Sans Regrets is one of my favorite albums, don't know if I would go to see Sanson live anymore though - although from what you say it might be worth it.
 
Alpe d'Huez

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Interesting thread, topic.

From what I have read, I'm of the initial opinion that both are true. That he did probably try to force her into sex, if not by physically harming her, but using all other powers of his persuasion. And the guy is probably just another hypocritical slimeball politician. But I also agree there are some very strange things about this case, as pointed out by the OP. To me the most glaring is the lockup for being a flight risk. For sexual assault? And he's going to go hide...where?

The most disappointing is that the media just ran with all this - the information they got, unprocessed, when we desperately need hard core investigative journalists to start digging into this and reporting on what the truth may be. Unfortunately, that may take weeks, months, and the guy has just about been found guilty on all counts already in the court of public opinion.
 
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I was talking to a friend who works at Bercy (Finance Ministry). He said it was common knowledge that DSK was a predator when he was Finance Minister and it was well known that he agressed women. He figures DSK is sick. I agree.
 
Captain_Cavman

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frenchfry said:
I was talking to a friend who works at Bercy (Finance Ministry). He said it was common knowledge that DSK was a predator when he was Finance Minister and it was well known that he agressed women. He figures DSK is sick. I agree.
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Maybe so. Maybe he deserved to get run over by a bus. But what he got was to be pinned down on the tarmac while a bus was winched to 1000ft directly above him and then allowed to fall. Which is curious, no?
 
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Maybe so. Maybe he deserved to get run over by a bus. But what he got was to be pinned down on the tarmac while a bus was winched to 1000ft directly above him and then allowed to fall. Which is curious, no?
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What he got was to be treated like the common criminal that he probably is instead of the second coming in his world of elites like he is used to.

The fall was vertigineuse, and I would be willing to bet that there are a lot of women right now who have no sympathy for him whatsoever.
 
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What he got was to be treated like the common criminal that he probably is instead of the second coming in his world of elites like he is used to.

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I agree. But do you find this strange? Or do you think it's a good result and you don't much care about the reasons behind it?
 
frenchfry

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I agree. But do you find this strange? Or do you think it's a good result and you don't much care about the reasons behind it?
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It is only strange in the fact that it represents a huge change from the traditional French viewpoint on the behaviour of the political elite with regards to the exercising of their sexual prerogative. I am not sure where you are located, but in France the DSK situation has provoked a significant amount of debate, and the general feeling appears to be that what was tolerated in the past can not longer be tolerated - and also that there could be a lot of collateral damage in letting predators like DSK operate with immunity as the victims usually experience a certain amount of trauma that can be lifelong. Much of this debate is very productive and should lead to lasting change, and my feeling is that many French are realising the importance of the debate and the necessity of change. DSK is certainly not the only member of the "elite" that has the reputation of inappropriate behaviour.

Of course one side effect of tightening the rules on sexual harassment is that this can be used against men to exact vengeance. Great care must be taken to ensure that this is minimised.

I think you can see that I care very much about the reasons behind what is happening. I have nothing against DSK except for the fact that he appears to be a sexual pervert and aggressor of women. My opinion is certainly not politically motivated, and the general consensus is that he is a top notch financial strategist and has done an excellent job at the IMF.
 
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New developments

Strauss-Kahn Case Seen as in Jeopardy

Although forensic tests found unambiguous evidence of a sexual encounter between Mr. Strauss-Kahn, a French politician, and the woman, prosecutors do not believe much of what the accuser has told them about the circumstances or about herself.
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Prosecutors from the office of the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., who initially were emphatic about the strength of the case and the account of the victim, plan to tell the judge on Friday that they “have problems with the case” based on what their investigators have discovered, and will disclose more of their findings to the defense. The woman still maintains that she was attacked, the officials said

“It is a mess, a mess on both sides,” one official said.

According to the two officials, the woman had a phone conversation with an incarcerated man within a day of her encounter with Mr. Strauss-Kahn in which she discussed the possible benefits of pursuing the charges against him. The conversation was recorded.

That man, the investigators learned, had been arrested on charges of possessing 400 pounds of marijuana. He is among a number of individuals who made multiple cash deposits, totaling around $100,000, into the woman’s bank account over the last two years. The deposits were made in Arizona, Georgia, New York and Pennsylvania
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L'arriviste

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I think I have Predictability Fatigue Syndrome today. This is a condition in which an individual's aspirational belief in the progress of humankind gets worn down. Among the more noticeable symptoms reported by patients are: feeling rather jaded and experiencing a near-constant state of déjà vu.

Interesting to note though how some media spoons in Europe are already weighing the chances of success for an immediate resurrection of DSK's political aspirations in France. The speed of this is enough to give me motion sickness too. ;)
 
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apparently very serious issues with the plaintiff. and the prosecutors were so sure they had him dead to rights. oops:eek:
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The locals papers have all but let him go free. The reports from inside the NYPD are that the lady has told the truth about a couple of things, what country she is from and her gender.
French Fried is paying 50,000 a month for a sweet townhouse in Tribeca and 200,000 a month for rent a cops that are instructed to shoot their employer if he tries to go out of the house.

They have already found the accuser w thousands in sketchy bank accounts and an audio tape of her telling her imprisoned pal that the yanky ****y will make her some cash. She is going to get deported. Lives in housing for people w aids,but doesn't have it for starters
DSK's wife is really rich and really dumb for sticking out with this guy
 
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Part of the story is that Cyrus Vance Jr. is the son of former Secretary of State under Jimmy Carter, Cyrus Vance.

This is one of the most bizarre cases I have seen in recent memory and the new revelations do not surprise me at all. In a case like this where the accused might (have) become the next president of France, why wasn't stuff like that checked out earlier? It was pointed out before in this thread that DSK's actions didn't match someone who just had committed a crime.

Either this is incredibly amateurish, or ...
 
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