Dumoulin.

[JimmyFingers]

This is a nice breakdown of the relative performances.

 

[doperhopper]

Re:

i've read that dennis had a mechanical, tom was poked after that insane effort in the vuelta and tony fell into a "mental hole" in the 2nd half of the course which he couldn't get out of....

"From the start and in the first eight kilometres I felt okay and that I had the power but when I entered the tailwind section I quickly lost my rhythm. It was too fast for me and I couldn’t handle the RPM and I didn’t expect this. Then on the uphill sections I couldn’t find my rhythm and I lost morale. I couldn’t get it back and it wasn’t my day. For the second half of the race it was more of a mental problem than a physical one."

wow, can't handle RPM, 58 not enough... what's the biggest normally available ring? Guy needs at least 62.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

i've read that dennis had a mechanical, tom was poked after that insane effort in the vuelta and tony fell into a "mental hole" in the 2nd half of the course which he couldn't get out of....

"From the start and in the first eight kilometres I felt okay and that I had the power but when I entered the tailwind section I quickly lost my rhythm. It was too fast for me and I couldn’t handle the RPM and I didn’t expect this. Then on the uphill sections I couldn’t find my rhythm and I lost morale. I couldn’t get it back and it wasn’t my day. For the second half of the race it was more of a mental problem than a physical one."

wow, can't handle RPM, 58 not enough... what's the biggest normally available ring? Guy needs at least 62.

It doesn't help that Martin has never been a spinner.

 

[pastronef]

from Ulif on twitter

Let's recall Cyclise Masqué's take on Tom Dumoulin: "352W for 5hrs and no one is shocked. Impossible."
https://twitter.com/ulif/status/730331017895153664


"Riders like Froome,Wiggins, Dumoulin aren't talented guys bought by big money teams. They are MADE by them." Cycliste Masqué

 

[Zypherov]

Dumoulin's performace in this years Giro is well of the form he demonstrated in last years Vuelta....

 

[Cannibal72]

Dumoulin's gone too. Prima facie this seems rather less suspicious than Landa's 2002 tribute act, but the fact he lost 13 minutes the day after a rest day and indeed his bizarrely plummeting form seems to me to imply that he overcooked his program in the first week, probably to compete with Cancellara, and then paid the price for that later.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Dumoulin's gone too. Prima facie this seems rather less suspicious than Landa's 2002 tribute act, but the fact he lost 13 minutes the day after a rest day and indeed his bizarrely plummeting form seems to me to imply that he overcooked his program in the first week, probably to compete with Cancellara, and then paid the price for that later.

When you start from the assumption that a rider is doping and work backwards to try and rationalise it, virtually any turn of events can be construed as "proof" of doping.

 

[Cannibal72]

Dumoulin's gone too. Prima facie this seems rather less suspicious than Landa's 2002 tribute act, but the fact he lost 13 minutes the day after a rest day and indeed his bizarrely plummeting form seems to me to imply that he overcooked his program in the first week, probably to compete with Cancellara, and then paid the price for that later.

When you start from the assumption that a rider is doping and work backwards to try and rationalise it, virtually any turn of events can be construed as "proof" of doping.

True, but I wasn't aiming to provide proof. I was taking it as read that the majority of people thought Dumoulin was doping and merely suggesting a possible train of events.

 

[pastronef]

here is our Tom, thin and ready for the Giro

 

[ontheroad]

As cyclist's go, I do like Dumoulin as he has plenty of charisma. He does look to have lost a lot of weight in that photo, his lower body appears to have shrunk. Providing the photo is not deceptive, then logically you would expect him to lose some power for the TT's in an attempt to see out the climb's better. I expect he will go close in the giro given that he has made it his season's goal.

 

[Netserk]

Given how he couldn't crack the top-10 in the T-A ITT and was beaten by Thomas, while obviously still being in good form, it seems like he indeed has lost some absolute power.

 

[veganrob]

Re:

As cyclist's go, I do like Dumoulin as he has plenty of charisma. He does look to have lost a lot of weight in that photo, his lower body appears to have shrunk. Providing the photo is not deceptive, then logically you would expect him to lose some power for the TT's in an attempt to see out the climb's better. I expect he will go close in the giro given that he has made it his season's goal.

If he could get on the same program as Froome, LRP, Wiggo and all, then he could TT even faster than previously.

 

[rick james]

here is our Tom, thin and ready for the Giro

Well he wouldn't be fat and ready for the Giro would he?

 

[Benotti69]

here is our Tom, thin and ready for the Giro

Well he wouldn't be fat and ready for the Giro would he?

No, but that level of skinny is suspicious.

These riders are already at low body fat levels. To get to that extra level takes extra special methods.

Looks like Wiggins. Kenacort, Aicar, Gw150, HGH, EPO etc etc etc.......or he just lost the' inner fat' :lol:

 

[classicomano]

Yeah Tom is definitely on Kenacort, Aicar, GW1516, HGH and EPO at the moment. Also 3 bloodbags.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

Yeah Tom is definitely on Kenacort, Aicar, GW1516, HGH and EPO at the moment. Also 3 bloodbags.

3 bloodbags not enough. Tell Tom more bloodbags and to get a twin.

 

[The Hegelian]

Re:

Given how he couldn't crack the top-10 in the T-A ITT and was beaten by Thomas, while obviously still being in good form, it seems like he indeed has lost some absolute power.

Yeah, I agree this is an interesting sign. Let's see how he tt's in the Giro. If he has indeed lost a certain amount of tt power due to weight loss, then it definitely goes against the Sky/Astana model.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Dumoulin is on the same weight as Vuelta 2015. So he hasn't really lost much

 

[armchairclimber]

Climbing very well. Just lost the fat.

 

[Brullnux]

We'll see on Tuesday if he's done a wiggo or not.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

On a not flat course like that one I still think he will do well.
Tirreno is not a reference since it was flat, 10km, bad road and almost no corners.

 

[GraftPunk]

here is our Tom, thin and ready for the Giro

Well he wouldn't be fat and ready for the Giro would he?

No, but that level of skinny is suspicious.

These riders are already at low body fat levels. To get to that extra level takes extra special methods.

Looks like Wiggins. Kenacort, Aicar, Gw150, HGH, EPO etc etc etc.......or he just lost the' inner fat' :lol:

Yup. I always look at the area around the knee (seriously). When it gets concentration camp levels and the power is still abundant in the rider, well...

 

[therealthing]

Re:

We'll see on Tuesday if he's done a wiggo or not.

Oh, he's done a Wiggo alright...

 

[burning]

Man, he is really going full Wiggo, he can definitely win this whole thing

 

[ontheroad]

This guy is the re-incarnation of Wiggo. His TT on it's own is not a surprise. It's his climbing that is bemusing. It's the equivalent of the pure climbers like Nibalii/Quintana/Chaves finishing top 3 in a TT. Cycling continuing to defy Science.