Rodney King said "can't we all just get along?"scribe said:Just watch a few handfuls around here coagulating together.
no rodney, we can not. but we can still have fun with it.
Rodney King said "can't we all just get along?"scribe said:Just watch a few handfuls around here coagulating together.
I am glad you admit it.gree0232 said:AFLD is not French? Wow, I am an idiot.
Getting a speeding ticket is "working with"? The AFLD is relatively new.gree0232 said:Of course, having worked with the Gendarmie on a professional level, I must have missed something about this when dealing with them. Stupid me.
You have presented no facts, nor answered any of my questions. The better question is why are you willing to completely embarrass yourself to defend Armstrong?gree0232 said:A better question, why are you so intent on knocking Lance? Facts be dambed?
Carboncrank said:Quote:
Originally Posted by gree0232
Doping cases announced within hours and well before the athlete is notified? The source, almost every time? L'Equip.
Eva Maria
Do you have an example of this?
just so you see who turned this into a discussion about 99...
We were talking about L'Equipe and reporting.
and then you don't listen.
Of course AFLD is linked to french government. The point was the link between ASO, AFLD, french Ministry, Justice and cycling regulations body.gree0232 said:AFLD is not French? Wow, I am an idiot. They have no French governmental funds, and they have no connections in a French society where connections are how you advance yourself through the agencies.
Of course, having worked with the Gendarmie on a professional level, I must have missed something about this when dealing with them. Stupid me.
Scott SoCal said:Your accusations (and conclusions) are incredibly cynical.
Scott SoCal said:Even another layer of cynicism from the haters.![]()
Carboncrank said:He's a great rider. I'm peeved because I think he messed up Johan's plan to get the podium sweep and I can't think of a reason for what he did other than insecurities and personality flaws that may come back to bite him as a racer.
Those are my opinions, and opinion pieces don't need to be double sourced.![]()
Eva Maria said:I am glad you admit it.
It appears that your read comprehension is as poor as your knowledge of our sport. I never claimed they were not French.
Getting a speeding ticket is "working with"? The AFLD is relatively new.
You have presented no facts, nor answered any of my questions. The better question is why are you willing to completely embarrass yourself to defend Armstrong?
Carboncrank said:I wouldn't have been as interested but still, with Levi and Kloden and with Horner on the team it would have still been in the realm.
Carboncrank said:Don't forget stage 7. Switch the tables and have Lance attacking in that situation and a lot of Lance fans would have been jumping up and down cheering, but the team would have seen it the same way.
Carboncrank said:I wouldn't have been as interested but still, with Levi and Kloden and with Horner on the team it would have still been in the realm.
I've admitted that I began rooting for Lance just a few months ago when the real lance hating vitriol ramped up on the forums. I knew it was absurd. He was as good as his record and he proved it. Sweeping the podium would have been rubbing their faces in it, so sure that's what I had hoped for.
Don't forget stage 7. Switch the tables and have Lance attacking in that situation and a lot of Lance fans would have been jumping up and down cheering, but the team would have seen it the same way.
But mostly 17. If he had just marked the Schlecks and Kloden got a breather? I wonder if being told Lance was bridging up had anything to do with it?
Was the podium a long shot? yes, but AC's attack came just when things were getting interesting. Who was going to win the Tour was concluded by then. All he had to do was defend.
BroDeal said:Is that all you've got?
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You can't handle the truth..
Scott SoCal said:I have a question for you. Why on earth would someone so incredibly al-knowing actually lower yourself by condescending to unworthy nitwits like us?
Shouldn't you be solving global hunger or something?
Armstrong defends himself quite well. And from people a he!!uva lot smarter than you. If think your innuendo and heresay is enough to take down LA then present your case. Tke it to the propper authorities since you know them all. Your threads just re-gurdge the same tired old BS.
poupou said:What are the relation between French Sport Ministry and ASO a private company?
INDEPENDANT ? Vrijman is a dutch lawyer like Verbruggen, and they are close friend too. How could you have an independant investigation.
Vrijman, as lawyer, forgot to ask an authorization requested by french laws to visit LNDD. Why did he mention that he was refused to visit when it's was his own fault?
I have.poupou said:Maybe you should read the WADA rebuttal of his report. You can find it on WADA website.
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/newsarticle.ch2?articleId=3115718
poupou said:About the $500.000 of Lance : http://www.playthegame.org/uploads/media/Michael_Ashenden-Can_curruption_derail_the_testing_syst.pdf
from the last international sport conference : play the game
Eva Maria said:The expected response. Instead of actually addressing any of the points I have made you attack the messenger.
If you ever do feel like actually discussing the issue please start here. UCI anti doping expert says Lance doped. He reviews the case in extreme detail. Let us know why he is wrong
http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden
If you do choose to address the subject please do so in the other forum
Scott SoCal said:I'll re-state. Take you bullet-proof case to your freinds and throw LA out of the sport forever. You seem pretty convinced.
I'll place a modicum of faith in the system.
Eva Maria said:The expected response. Instead of actually addressing any of the points I have made you attack the messenger.
If you ever do feel like actually discussing the issue please start here. UCI anti doping expert says Lance doped. He reviews the case in extreme detail. Let us know why he is wrong
http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden
If you do choose to address the subject please do so in the other forum
Eva Maria said:In other words you have no answer.
You must be new to the sport to put any faith in the UCI
Carboncrank said:Of course there was a conspiracy by UCI to allow Lance to ride on EPO testing him with the nice shiny machine he bought them so he could win the Tour de France over and over again until he got bored.
Scott SoCal said:I'll re-state. Take you bullet-proof case to your freinds and throw LA out of the sport forever. You seem pretty convinced.
I'll place a modicum of faith in the system.
Scott SoCal said:My answer is he has not been convicted of anything. Perhaps everything you have stated is gospel. In reality, I don't know the doping/non-doping practices of Lance Armstrong. And neither do you. The only thing we have is the system in place. One more time, present your case and see what happens. You would be the hero for most on this blog.
Not new j,ust not quite as jaded as you.
So, what did you think of AC's attack on stage 17? Smart, or dumb?
Carboncrank said:You think we all just fell of the turnip truck.
There was no sanction against Lance because there were insurmountble problems with security and chain of custody with those samples. They were never meant to be tied to an individual rider and there were no long term protocols for protecting them in such a manner.
When the riders were tested they signed a form that said the samples would be not be used for individual testing after 3 years. Therefor there was no need for long term protocols, without which UCI was fully aware they couldn't survive court challenge.
Why do you insist on doing this on this thread?
It is a problem they have rectified.
Eva Maria said:It is possible for the average person to survey the evidence and come to a ration conclusion, and not try to pawn it off to one of the most inept organizations in sports, the UCI.
I am not jaded, just informed. I lived and raced in Europe. I have met and raced against lance. I know many of his former teammates and support staff. I do not hate Lance but I do dislike the misinformation that many spread about the sport, it makes the sport look stupid. Every time a rider blames a "French conspiracy" "Vanishing Twin" or "Shots of Whiskey" it only makes the sport, and its fans, look like fools
This is not a blog, it is a message board.
AC's attack was smart. Armstrong would have, and has done, the same thing.