Euro 2012

[Nielsa]

So what did people think of Italy and no-striker Spain? Surely Italy can't leave out Di Natale for their next game.

IMO Torres made Spain much more dangerous when he entered the pitch. They
don't need six midfielders to play tiki-taki... Maybe del Bosque is too proud to play a player who has been benched a lot in Chelsea?

As for Terry, lol, someone termed him a "one-man soap opera", which I thought quite fitting. But the "underdog" English of 2012 could do OK, I think. Actually all of that group are underdogs. "Noveau" France, Sweden (big shame for them that Guidetti is injured) and Ukraine.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Milner with an epic miss. French look dangerous...until they are close to the goal

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Lol on a different day holland would have put 5 of those many manybchances away, so defense wasn't epic by any means.

Our loss came down to shameful missing more then anything else.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Whatever. Can't be bothered anymore. Just glad we took the 3 points and played fantastic in defense.

On the to England match.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Goal!




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[Dekker_Tifosi]

France very close to a goal.

But since it went wide it wasn't really a big chance /dominic mode

edit: and 1-1.

 

[The Hitch]

F*** me, it's frustrating talking football with someone knowing f*** all about it.

keep the Ryo expressions coming. They make you sound clever.

Maybe you shouldn't attack the way people frame their arguments when you always fall back on this egomaniacal - you know nothing, i know more than you, stupidity.
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[DominicDecoco]

Maybe you shouldn't attack the way people frame their arguments when you always fall back on this egomaniacal - you know nothing, i know more than you, stupidity.
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Yeah, I know. I'm too weak. I get dragged down to their level. I'm working on it.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Maybe you shouldn't attack the way people frame their arguments when you always fall back on this egomaniacal - you know nothing, i know more than you, stupidity.
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I do know better, though, Or actually.. In this particularly case it's the general opinion in the media among football journalists and fans that know better.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I do know better, though, Or actually.. In this particularly case it's the general opinion in the media among football journalists and fans that know better.

Funny every soccer website I read agree the Dutch were wasteful and should have won. I suppose in hindsight we can say a team defended well, but in reality we had enough chances (and some really good ones, where basics -- like our first touch let us down. ) to really punish you guys. A lot of the times there were even lack of pressure it was just panic and poor composure which let the forwards down.

But yep your the only one who understands football, good on ya pal.

Fwiw I think your team did well and a well earned three points, but it is common sense that the Dutch could have easier open the flood gates if they were more clinical. Maybe you lack common sense tho.

Sure there was some pretty good defending but we open You guys up a lot also and with more clinical finish it would have (and should have) been shown on the scoreboard.

Nice subjective arguments btw.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Funny every soccer website I read agree the Dutch were wasteful and should have won. I suppose in hindsight we can say a team defended well, but in reality we had enough chances (and some really good ones, where basics -- like our first touch let us down. ) to really punish you guys.

But yep your the only one who understands football, good on ya pal.

Fwiw I think your team did well and a well earned three points, but it is common sense that the Dutch could have easier open the flood gates if they were more clinical. Maybe you lack common sense tho.

Sure there was some pretty good defending but we open You guys up a lot also and with more clinical finish it would have (and should have) been shown on the scoreboard.

Nice subjective arguments btw.

If you had actually bothered reading my post you would read that I never said it was a deserved victory. The whole discussion started with a comment stating that Denmark were 'horrible - (yes, that was the word used) in the defense when they quite frankly were great. Keeping out quality players from scoring. The dutch had more chances, more possession and are the better team - of course they could have got more out if. If they were more clinical, yes. But it's also down the a solid defense that most of the chances were pretty harmeless. Redcafe, Redandwhitekop, waccoe, bluemoon - all major forums with fans of the sport agree on that matter.

And thats my last word on this.

 

[The Hitch]

I do know better, though, Or actually.. In this particularly case it's the general opinion in the media among football journalists and fans that know better.

Go jerk off somewhere else. on a forum for discussion an idiotic " b b b but i know more than you," argument, is never going to work, no matter how deluded you are.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

The point is, it wasn't your defense that kept us from scoring. It was our wasteful attack that kept us from scoring. The defending I saw from Denmark was pretty abysmal. Even combinations right through the middle were easily done and possible.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Game is starting to open up, only took 75 minutes!



Say what you will, but I'd rather we lose like we did against denmark at least playing some attractive st uff at times then being involved in a game like this. Just dull.

 

[DominicDecoco]

The point is, it wasn't your defense that kept us from scoring. It was our wasteful attack that kept us from scoring. The defending I saw from Denmark was pretty abysmal. Even combinations right through the middle were easily done and possible.

I definitly don't agree - as you might have noticed. Let's leave it with that, shall we As the reasonable fuc*** Hitch is, he was probably right about this being a discussion forum and my 'I know better' might have been too cocky.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Maybe you shouldn't attack the way people frame their arguments when you always fall back on this egomaniacal - you know nothing, i know more than you, stupidity.
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I don't know if you and others have personal issues with the Dane from other topics, but I found his defense of his team perfectly within reason, and certainly not warranting this kind of attack, especially not in terms that you (of all people) shouldn't be using.

 

[l.Harm]

But I'm not even going to continue this. You are the first one to say the defense was horrible among jounalists and fans of football. And I wonder why...

In Holland he's def not the first one. Outside Holland I've no idea.

Here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AX_zj4R-FQ

He made a mess of his first touch on his first chance. Never a one-on-one. Never an open chance.
Next one is bigger. The one with the brilliant pass from Sneijder. Still, he was never in a position where he could just put it in. Mainly because of the pressure of Kjaer.

Btw, Krohn Dehli's second strike was almost more dangerous than all of Robbens altogether. Bar the chance off the post. (which was keepers fault at first place.)

Like two years ago? There he had the chances from yesterday the whole tournament.

And that wasn't a chance because his first touch was bad? Unbelievable Only the GK was in front of him, of course that's a 100% chance.

 

[uphillstruggle]

The point is, it wasn't your defense that kept us from scoring. It was our wasteful attack that kept us from scoring. The defending I saw from Denmark was pretty abysmal. Even combinations right through the middle were easily done and possible.

Yes you're finishing was awful but so was your defending. Poor performance from a talented team. You will be out by Wednesday.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yes you're finishing was awful but so was your defending. Poor performance from a talented team. You will be out by Wednesday.

I know and I predicted that would happen. You could see it coming in the preparations already. Losing against bulgaria and bayern... a poor match against slovakia (but won) and then the n.ireland match didn't tell us anything because they had a camping squad

btw: our defending was is/was bad for 8 years already. Didn't stop us from reaching worlds finals. It's a problem but not the main problem. The poor defense only becomes a problem when the attack stop scoring.

 

[The Hitch]

Finally.

Zlatan.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Take the England - France match away and this has been an outstanding tournament so far.

 

[uphillstruggle]

btw: our defending was is/was bad for 8 years already. Didn't stop us from reaching worlds finals. It's a problem but not the main problem. The poor defense only becomes a problem when the attack stop scoring.

You were defending much better than that last world cup. If you meander around out of possession like that against Germany they will punish you big time.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Sheva!!!

What a hero! Most enjoyable game for me so far. I didn't have a favorite when I started watching, I've always liked Sheva (what true fan doesn't?) and of course, Grande Ibra was one of ours here a long time ago, so I like him too. Ukraine won me over with their approach to the game. Good luck to them!

The difference between Shiva and Ibra, both football geniuses in their own way, is that one is a gentleman, while the other is a dirty b'stard.

 

[palmerq]

The only way England can win the Euros is by playing like Chelsea. Play rubbish football and hope the other team screw up.
However the way things are panning out this year I wouldn't rule that out

exactly :S defend well and get some chances and take them, rooney is amazing and gerrard can score from nearly everywhere.. as long as england stay organized they have a good chance of winning, france are one of the best teams here and even though france were in controll they were not close to beating england :S Looking good doesnt really matter in football in my opinion :S I have seen enough so called bad teams win things to know better. Englands standard players are good enough and they have a few great players that can make the difference

 

[Caruut]

Any nation that has had to hand 80 caps to Joris Mathijsen can reasonably claim that their defence is an issue.

England - France was terrible. A classic example of a game where both sides were far more concerned with not losing than they were with winning, in terms of both their national pride and their standings in the table. Draw against each other and a win and a draw in the other two games sees you on 5 points, which gives you an excellent chance of going through. Lose and a win and a draw is very shaky.