hatcher said:
Mrs John Murphy said:
hatcher said:
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Let's leave this one-on-one conversation right here, before the insulting match starts.
On topic please.
Ignore 'Mrs John Murphy'. He/she is a forum 'character' - the postings are all extreme reactionary nonsense. Engage in an argument and you'll just get abuse.
nesocip said:
Thats a great story. Must be pleasant to have seen the commentators learn and improve over the years. Learn more about this thing of ours and its riders.
It's worth having Kirby around just for the occasional groaner he slips in. His bit the other day about riding over "Bob's Breakfast" (the 'Cold Croissant Robert') was cute, but even niftier was his signoff after Stage Three--"Farrar, narrowly snatching victory from the jaws of Feillu." Delightfully sly.
I used to find Kelly rather hard to understand, it's only been the past year or so that i've gotten used to his voice. Man knows his stuff.
I like Harmon, he's getting better all the time. Cycling commentary must be very hard but I could listen to those two talk for hours.
I like Harmon, he's getting better all the time. Cycling commentary must be very hard but I could listen to those two talk for hours.
It looks like some people are having a hard time understanding how the Ignore feature works, so here is the link once again.
The solution is to not sit around and complain about everyone else. As a matter of fact, that's a good way to get yourself in hot water with the staff.
The solution is to not sit around and complain about everyone else. As a matter of fact, that's a good way to get yourself in hot water with the staff.
Had to laugh a few days ago when someone emailed in asking how to tell the Schlecks apart and Harmon said "Andy is the tall one"
Russian commentary on Eurosport is simply amazing:
- Kurdyukov's voice and overall attitude is highly energizing, he can make curling exciting, let alone cycling
- he casually speaks italian, french and english
- during the long race he usually tells the history of every given church, village, castle, river, town, road, mill, lake or monument that the race passes by at the moment, often advising what to do and where to go to and what to eat if you want to go to this particular region
- of course his actual cycling commentary is great as well
- constant communication with the audience by twitter live
- each stage he calls someone to discuss the events of the race live (yesterday, for instance it was Ernesto Colnago, before that he spoke to Abdoujaparov) or to russian speaking Astana or Katyusha or Radioshack's DSs.
When watching english streams you get bored really quick and just simple commentary of just race events feels too bare for someone who got used to russian eurosport.
- Kurdyukov's voice and overall attitude is highly energizing, he can make curling exciting, let alone cycling
- he casually speaks italian, french and english
- during the long race he usually tells the history of every given church, village, castle, river, town, road, mill, lake or monument that the race passes by at the moment, often advising what to do and where to go to and what to eat if you want to go to this particular region
- of course his actual cycling commentary is great as well
- constant communication with the audience by twitter live
- each stage he calls someone to discuss the events of the race live (yesterday, for instance it was Ernesto Colnago, before that he spoke to Abdoujaparov) or to russian speaking Astana or Katyusha or Radioshack's DSs.
When watching english streams you get bored really quick and just simple commentary of just race events feels too bare for someone who got used to russian eurosport.
Kelly is brilliant. He is easily the most informative cycling analyst and I have listened to them all over the years. He tells it how it is and as others have said has no ego about admiting if he got something wrong. I also like the way he is happy to admit that cycing is unpredictable...that's why we have to wait for the finish!
I don't have a problem with the other two - it's kind of light entertainment!
T
I don't have a problem with the other two - it's kind of light entertainment!
T
I like Harmon when he's unbiased............
but seriously- Kelly is very precised & spot on with his analysis--just happens that his voice sounds a bit raw to me-even after listening to him for many years......
I do love when Stephen Roche pops in--he's delightful to listen & very entertaining-hope he could do commenting for them more often....
Since the Spanish Eurosport isn't as good as it should be-I listen a lot Perico & Carlos de Andres from RTVE-even with their legendary "on-air" disagreements, they have a good show every time the tour starts.
but seriously- Kelly is very precised & spot on with his analysis--just happens that his voice sounds a bit raw to me-even after listening to him for many years......
I do love when Stephen Roche pops in--he's delightful to listen & very entertaining-hope he could do commenting for them more often....
Since the Spanish Eurosport isn't as good as it should be-I listen a lot Perico & Carlos de Andres from RTVE-even with their legendary "on-air" disagreements, they have a good show every time the tour starts.
Harmon + Kelly is certainly the best combo I've come across.
Harmon certainly has his faults, notably the tendency to go "Whoooooaahhh ....!" whenever anyone attacks or "Oooohhhh ...!" if someone has a dodgy moment on a descent, even on the replay! His obsession with "bike handling skills" and descending prowess also gets a little tiresome (he obviously sees himself as some sort of expert in this field "being an mountain biker"). But he is pretty good at recognising riders, knowing their characteristics and interpreting what's going on, unlike many comentators.
Kelly is great as a counterpoint; knows his stuff, gives an unbiased opinion and doesn't fall into the "everything was better in my day" trap that a lot of ex-riders do.
Carlton Kirby irritates the hell out of me. He obviously thinks he's hilarious with his "amusing" anecdotes and lets us all know it by chuckling away at his own jokes. Plus his wheeling out of stock phrases "it's now or never", "there's a big push here", "the team is well-marshalled" etc. regardless of whether they apply annoys me mightily. If he's lead commentator on a race then it's almost enough to stop me watching it.
But anything's better than P&P.
Harmon certainly has his faults, notably the tendency to go "Whoooooaahhh ....!" whenever anyone attacks or "Oooohhhh ...!" if someone has a dodgy moment on a descent, even on the replay! His obsession with "bike handling skills" and descending prowess also gets a little tiresome (he obviously sees himself as some sort of expert in this field "being an mountain biker"). But he is pretty good at recognising riders, knowing their characteristics and interpreting what's going on, unlike many comentators.
Kelly is great as a counterpoint; knows his stuff, gives an unbiased opinion and doesn't fall into the "everything was better in my day" trap that a lot of ex-riders do.
Carlton Kirby irritates the hell out of me. He obviously thinks he's hilarious with his "amusing" anecdotes and lets us all know it by chuckling away at his own jokes. Plus his wheeling out of stock phrases "it's now or never", "there's a big push here", "the team is well-marshalled" etc. regardless of whether they apply annoys me mightily. If he's lead commentator on a race then it's almost enough to stop me watching it.
But anything's better than P&P.
orange_lycra said:
I enjoy eurosports commentating Sean Kelly is the most unbiased informed commentator around for me. Carlton Kirby is very enthusiastic and his knowledge of the sport he growing by the day, although he does say some cringe inducing stuff.
Harmon and Kelly are good together because they are so different. Same goes for Magnus and Brian Smith when they are paired with the other guy.
Gott say i love Harmon & Kelly. Even Kirbys in on the act with the tongue in cheek gags. I doubt they tale themselves that seriously either. They keep the thing rolling along & fair play to them over 3 to 4 hours.
By the way anyone here ever met Harmon? Sounds like a bloke you could have a Beer with & a chinwag.
By the way anyone here ever met Harmon? Sounds like a bloke you could have a Beer with & a chinwag.
THe ES panelists on the other hand are a joke.
This bald guy has been asked twice about Peter Velits and does not on either occasion mention the Vuelta.
Why is Peter Velits seen as a contender?
"Because i saw him 4 years ago and he is a young rider like Gerraint Thomas".
Umm I would rank beating J Rod at the Vuelta a bigger reason, but what do i know.
They also keep talking about Evans being the favourite but say Samu isnt someone that ever had a chance of winning.
And according to ES betting websites base their odds on these guys.
What a joke.
This bald guy has been asked twice about Peter Velits and does not on either occasion mention the Vuelta.
Why is Peter Velits seen as a contender?
"Because i saw him 4 years ago and he is a young rider like Gerraint Thomas".
Umm I would rank beating J Rod at the Vuelta a bigger reason, but what do i know.
They also keep talking about Evans being the favourite but say Samu isnt someone that ever had a chance of winning.
And according to ES betting websites base their odds on these guys.
What a joke.
The Hitch said:
I'm guessing the bald glasses wearing Cav fanboy? As opposed to Magnus. Yesterday he was saying he expects BMC to be the dominant team in the mountains.
Tony Gibb is a gorilla. Christ only knows why ES have invited him back. Magnus must be otherwise engaged. I've never met a more arrogant and conceited cyclist than Gibb.
John Herety at least is a a current Pro Continental DS and has ridden the Classics as a pro. His insight at Paris Roubaix this year definitely informed the viewers during the race. Perhaps he's not a GT pundit but he's certainly not all bad. Yes, he's an unashamed Cav fan but I'm not going to hold that against him. In my opinion, he and Backstedt are the two best 'pundits' available to ES.
John Herety at least is a a current Pro Continental DS and has ridden the Classics as a pro. His insight at Paris Roubaix this year definitely informed the viewers during the race. Perhaps he's not a GT pundit but he's certainly not all bad. Yes, he's an unashamed Cav fan but I'm not going to hold that against him. In my opinion, he and Backstedt are the two best 'pundits' available to ES.
tdfChamp said:
Please use the search function before opening a new thread.
Eurosport commentary is being discussed here:
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=14489&page=5
As tdf's question was legit, I merged these two threads if anyone would like to keep the thread alive discussing the Duffers.
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