Eurosport commentary

[AICA ribonucleotide]

Actually the technique the Giro uses to calculate time gaps via gps takes into account the current speed of the riders, so it does affect the time gap shown on screen - which is what Hatch might be referring to. I don't have the math for you but you can witness it in action on the Val Martello climb. The gap was swinging 20 seconds back and forwards every time they hit a change of gradient (and speed.)

He might not be as daft as you think

Seriously???

The gap is calculated by the time the rider behind's gps passed a point minus the time the rider in the front's gps passed the same point.

It doesnt matter if the rider in front is now cycling on quicksand at the point where the gap is calculated the two riders have been over the exact same terrain and gradient.

All the gps is adding is giving more points to calculate the gap from and constant time checks. It isnt doing some wonky calculation of where the two riders currently are.

 

[argyllflyer]

Seriously???

The gap is calculated by the time the rider behind's gps passed a point minus the time the rider in the front's gps passed the same point.

It doesnt matter if the rider in front is now cycling on quicksand at the point where the gap is calculated the two riders have been over the exact same terrain and gradient.

All the gps is adding is giving more points to calculate the gap from and constant time checks. It isnt doing some wonky calculation of where the two riders currently are.

It works that way on the GPMs and the sprint points but elsewhere on the road it would seem it is the time between the two motos GPS' being relayed.

 

[argyllflyer]

The only relevant stats, though, are distance covered/distance remaining, and time gap.

The race is scored on time, and all riders cover the same distance if they want to be classified finishers, so the distance between them is not a relevant stat to the results, so if it's any additional effort to calculate they probably just won't bother.

It would give the time gap more relevance on course. If the lead group is riding say 45km/h trying to form a break and the bunch is doing 25km/h as if on a club ride, say during the 3rd week of a GT, gaps of 7/8 mins are common, sometimes even higher. As the speed of the riders is not always on screen, knowing the gap to the bunch was say 2.7km / 7m50s would give some sort of context as to what the time gap meant.

With GPS relaying points on the road anyway, they have this data already. GPS1: 15.3 km to go, GPS 2: 15.7km to go (gap 400m).

Put it this way, I don't see how it would detract from anything to have this knowledge. Just as one day the technology will allow for all riders to have GPS in their shoe to transit their location throughout the race. There will one day be a graphic of a mountainside and it will show where any selection of riders are immediately. None of this sitting around for 20 mins trying to guess who's under the black rainjacket on a descent filmed from a mile above.

The other day the break finished about 14 mins ahead of the peloton and there was no indication of how for the GC guys had to travel to finish. With a kms to go graphic only used to show how far the leaders are from the finish, sometimes it is of more relevance to the chasers. Such as when a break gets ahead on a climb and the GC guys are marking each other. How far are they to the summit? Who knows! We tend to only know when the 5km / 3km /1 km marks are passed on the road.

 

[deValtos]

Seriously???

The gap is calculated by the time the rider behind's gps passed a point minus the time the rider in the front's gps passed the same point.

It doesnt matter if the rider in front is now cycling on quicksand at the point where the gap is calculated the two riders have been over the exact same terrain and gradient.

All the gps is adding is giving more points to calculate the gap from and constant time checks. It isnt doing some wonky calculation of where the two riders currently are.

A lot of people think this but like argyllflyer says it's just untrue.

The problem with your technique is they'd need too many people/checkpoints to measure the time gap, and they don't have the resources for that. They do it at some of the banners but otherwise they don't bother and instead use the "wonky" calculation.

 

[kingjr]

And Trieste finally is slovenian!!

 

[luckyboy]

Criterium du Dauphine: Kirby & Stephens
Tour de France: Kirby & Kelly

Thank god we don't get Hatch again for a while

 

[argyllflyer]

Thank god we don't get Hatch again for a while

The tone is certainly different with Kirby!

 

[argyllflyer]

Does anybody know if Sky Sports are showing Suisse live this year?

Last year they only showed an hour recap of the entire race after it finished. I hope that changes.

Highlights and live on Eurosport!

 

[CycloAndy]

Hatch is definitely the best of a bad bunch. Shame he won't be on for a while.

 

[argyllflyer]

The updated British Eurosport commentary pairings so far in 2014:

Commentators used for .1, .HC & .WT: Declan Quigley, Carlton Kirby, Rob Hatch, Jonathan Harris-Bass, Matt Stephens, Marty MacDonald
Summarisers used for.1, .HC & .WT: Brian Smith, Matt Stephens, Sean Kelly, Magnus Backstedt, Dan Lloyd, Tony Gibb

Dubai: Quigley & Smith
Oman: Kirby (solo)
Andalucia: Hatch & Stephens
K-B-K: Hatch & Stephens
Le Samyn: Kirby & Smith
Langkawi: Hatch (first week) / Quigley (last few stages) (both solo)
Strade Bianche: Hatch & Smith
Roma Maxima: Quigley & Smith
Paris-Nice: Hatch & Kelly
Tirreno-Adriatico: Quigley & Stephens
Milan-Sanremo: Quigley & Kelly
Catalunia: Kirby & Backstedt
E3 Harelbeke: Quigley & Stephens
Criterium International: Quigley & Stephens
Three Days of De Panne: Kirby & Smith
Tour of Flanders: Kirby & Kelly
Vuelta al Pais Vasco: Kirby & Stephens
Paris-Roubaix: Kirby & Stephens
GP de Denain: Kirby & Lloyd
Tour of the Reservoir: McCrossan & Stephens
Amstel Gold Race: Kirby & Kelly
Fleche Wallonne: Kirby & Lloyd
Tour of Turkey: Kirby & Smith
Liege-Bastogne-Liege: Hatch & Kelly
4 Days of Dunkirk: Quigley & Backstedt
Tour of Azerbaijan: Hatch (solo, stage 1) / Quigley (solo, stage 2) / Harris-Bass (solo, stages 3-4) / Harris-Bass & Gibb (stage 5)
Women's Tour of Britain: Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Giro d'Italia: Hatch & Kelly (with intro from Harris-Bass stage 1 and Andy Smith stages 2&3)
Wiltshire Grand Prix: McCrossan & Stephens
Tour of California: Stephens & Smith
Tour Series R1 (Stoke): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour Series R2 (Barrow-in-Furness): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour of Norway: Quigley & Backstedt
Lincoln GP: McCrossan & Stephens
Tour Series R3 (Peterborough): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
World Ports Classic: MacDonald & Smith
Tour Series R4 (Aberystwyth): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour des Fjords: Stephens & Smith
Tour Series R5 (Durham): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour Series R6 (Edinburgh): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)

Coming Up (from @carltonkirby, @RealStephens, @robhatchtv, @BriSmithy):

Criterium du Dauphine: Kirby & Stephens
Tour de Suisse: tbc
Tour de France: Kirby & Kelly
Vuelta a Espana: Kirby & Kelly

 

[argyllflyer]

The updated British Eurosport commentary pairings so far in 2014:

(Matt Stephens was down to summarise at the Dauphine but I wonder if he now will do main comms for Tour de Suisse...)

Commentators used for .1, .HC & .WT: Declan Quigley, Carlton Kirby, Rob Hatch, Jonathan Harris-Bass, Matt Stephens, Marty MacDonald
Summarisers used for.1, .HC & .WT: Brian Smith, Matt Stephens, Sean Kelly, Magnus Backstedt, Dan Lloyd, Tony Gibb

Dubai: Quigley & Smith
Oman: Kirby (solo)
Andalucia: Hatch & Stephens
K-B-K: Hatch & Stephens
Le Samyn: Kirby & Smith
Langkawi: Hatch (first week) / Quigley (last few stages) (both solo)
Strade Bianche: Hatch & Smith
Roma Maxima: Quigley & Smith
Paris-Nice: Hatch & Kelly
Tirreno-Adriatico: Quigley & Stephens
Milan-Sanremo: Quigley & Kelly
Catalunia: Kirby & Backstedt
E3 Harelbeke: Quigley & Stephens
Criterium International: Quigley & Stephens
Three Days of De Panne: Kirby & Smith
Tour of Flanders: Kirby & Kelly
Vuelta al Pais Vasco: Kirby & Stephens
Paris-Roubaix: Kirby & Stephens
GP de Denain: Kirby & Lloyd
Tour of the Reservoir: McCrossan & Stephens
Amstel Gold Race: Kirby & Kelly
Fleche Wallonne: Kirby & Lloyd
Tour of Turkey: Kirby & Smith
Liege-Bastogne-Liege: Hatch & Kelly
4 Days of Dunkirk: Quigley & Backstedt
Tour of Azerbaijan: Hatch (solo, stage 1) / Quigley (solo, stage 2) / Harris-Bass (solo, stages 3-4) / Harris-Bass & Gibb (stage 5)
Women's Tour of Britain: Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Giro d'Italia: Hatch & Kelly (with intro from Harris-Bass stage 1 and Andy Smith stages 2&3)
Wiltshire Grand Prix: McCrossan & Stephens
Tour of California: Stephens & Smith
Tour Series R1 (Stoke): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour Series R2 (Barrow-in-Furness): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour of Norway: Quigley & Backstedt
Lincoln GP: McCrossan & Stephens
Tour Series R3 (Peterborough): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
World Ports Classic: MacDonald & Smith
Tour Series R4 (Aberystwyth): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour des Fjords: Stephens & Smith
Tour Series R5 (Durham): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour Series R6 (Edinburgh): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour Series R7 (Redditch): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Criterium du Dauphine: Kirby & Smith

Coming Up (from @carltonkirby, @RealStephens, @robhatchtv, @BriSmithy):

Tour de Suisse: tbc
Tour de France: Kirby & Kelly
Vuelta a Espana: Kirby & Kelly

 

[argyllflyer]

Oh I missed Carlton while he was away...

As Fuglsang trundles in...

"He's going to do it...! He'll be top 7 I wager...! (14th) Oh it's tight at the top!"



And Hesjedal is still able to win a GT.

 

[Swiss Tony]

Kirby is a prat

Yet again I find myself watching coverage without sound, 30 minutes of Kirby spouting his usual sh*te is more than enough for me...what a Pr!ck

 

[therealtimshady]

Tour de Suisse is not live next sat or sun according to my sky tv schedule

 

[argyllflyer]

Tour de Suisse is not live next sat or sun according to my sky tv schedule

Nothing on saturday, highlights sunday, then live for the rest of it (apart from the following saturday).

http://tv.eurosport.co.uk/search.shtml?query=cycling

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Oh I missed Carlton while he was away...

As Fuglsang trundles in...

"He's going to do it...! He'll be top 7 I wager...! (14th) Oh it's tight at the top!"



And Hesjedal is still able to win a GT.

Why single out Fuglsang? He did that for just about every single rider as they approached the finish.

 

[argyllflyer]

Why single out Fuglsang? He did that for just about every single rider as they approached the finish.

It was the only one I heard before I pressed mute!

 

[argyllflyer]

The updated British Eurosport commentary pairings so far in 2014:

Commentators used for .1, .HC & .WT: Declan Quigley, Carlton Kirby, Rob Hatch, Jonathan Harris-Bass, Matt Stephens, Marty MacDonald
Summarisers used for.1, .HC & .WT: Brian Smith, Matt Stephens, Sean Kelly, Magnus Backstedt, Dan Lloyd, Tony Gibb

Dubai: Quigley & Smith
Oman: Kirby (solo)
Andalucia: Hatch & Stephens
K-B-K: Hatch & Stephens
Le Samyn: Kirby & Smith
Langkawi: Hatch (first week) / Quigley (last few stages) (both solo)
Strade Bianche: Hatch & Smith
Roma Maxima: Quigley & Smith
Paris-Nice: Hatch & Kelly
Tirreno-Adriatico: Quigley & Stephens
Milan-Sanremo: Quigley & Kelly
Catalunia: Kirby & Backstedt
E3 Harelbeke: Quigley & Stephens
Criterium International: Quigley & Stephens
Three Days of De Panne: Kirby & Smith
Tour of Flanders: Kirby & Kelly
Vuelta al Pais Vasco: Kirby & Stephens
Paris-Roubaix: Kirby & Stephens
GP de Denain: Kirby & Lloyd
Tour of the Reservoir: McCrossan & Stephens
Amstel Gold Race: Kirby & Kelly
Fleche Wallonne: Kirby & Lloyd
Tour of Turkey: Kirby & Smith
Liege-Bastogne-Liege: Hatch & Kelly
4 Days of Dunkirk: Quigley & Backstedt
Tour of Azerbaijan: Hatch (solo, stage 1) / Quigley (solo, stage 2) / Harris-Bass (solo, stages 3-4) / Harris-Bass & Gibb (stage 5)
Women's Tour of Britain: Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Giro d'Italia: Hatch & Kelly (with intro from Harris-Bass stage 1 and Andy Smith stages 2&3)
Wiltshire Grand Prix: McCrossan & Stephens
Tour of California: Stephens & Smith
Tour Series R1 (Stoke): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour Series R2 (Barrow-in-Furness): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour of Norway: Quigley & Backstedt
Lincoln GP: McCrossan & Stephens
Tour Series R3 (Peterborough): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
World Ports Classic: MacDonald & Smith
Tour Series R4 (Aberystwyth): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour des Fjords: Stephens & Smith
Tour Series R5 (Durham): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour Series R6 (Edinburgh): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour Series R7 (Redditch): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Criterium du Dauphine: Kirby & Smith
Milk Race: Quigley & Tony Doyle

Coming Up (from @carltonkirby, @RealStephens, @robhatchtv, @BriSmithy):

Tour de Suisse: tbc
British Championships: Kirby & Stephens
Tour de France: Kirby & Kelly
Vuelta a Espana: Kirby & Kelly

 

[postmanhat]

Looks like the Tour De Suisse is now live on Eurosport!?

But only from Monday onwards?

 

[argyllflyer]

Looks like the Tour De Suisse is now live on Eurosport!?

But only from Monday onwards?

And highlights on sunday.

 

[scholar]

Y'know, much worse than listening to commentators' effusive praise for Team Sky is listening to their attempts to justify that effusive praise, at length.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Y'know, much worse than listening to commentators' effusive praise for Team Sky is listening to their attempts to justify that effusive praise, at length.

The way they went from happy and excited the whole stage to sounding sad and completely defeated at the line says everything that needs to be said about how biased they are

 

[Cycle Chic]

Kirby

Has anyone heard Kirby or Smith talk about Froomes asthma and inhaler ?? its on all the news and these two idiots, as far as i am aware, havent even mentioned it.

Omerta still as strong as ever. Kirby still an insult to all cycling audiences.

 

[argyllflyer]

Has anyone heard Kirby or Smith talk about Froomes asthma and inhaler ?? its on all the news and these two idiots, as far as i am aware, havent even mentioned it.

Omerta still as strong as ever. Kirby still an insult to all cycling audiences.

Why would they mention a tinfoil hat non-story propagated by trolls?

 

[argyllflyer]

The updated British Eurosport commentary pairings so far in 2014:

Commentators used for .1, .HC & .WT: Declan Quigley, Carlton Kirby, Rob Hatch, Jonathan Harris-Bass, Matt Stephens, Marty MacDonald
Summarisers used for.1, .HC & .WT: Brian Smith, Matt Stephens, Sean Kelly, Magnus Backstedt, Dan Lloyd, Tony Gibb

Dubai: Quigley & Smith
Oman: Kirby (solo)
Andalucia: Hatch & Stephens
K-B-K: Hatch & Stephens
Le Samyn: Kirby & Smith
Langkawi: Hatch (first week) / Quigley (last few stages) (both solo)
Strade Bianche: Hatch & Smith
Roma Maxima: Quigley & Smith
Paris-Nice: Hatch & Kelly
Tirreno-Adriatico: Quigley & Stephens
Milan-Sanremo: Quigley & Kelly
Catalunia: Kirby & Backstedt
E3 Harelbeke: Quigley & Stephens
Criterium International: Quigley & Stephens
Three Days of De Panne: Kirby & Smith
Tour of Flanders: Kirby & Kelly
Vuelta al Pais Vasco: Kirby & Stephens
Paris-Roubaix: Kirby & Stephens
GP de Denain: Kirby & Lloyd
Tour of the Reservoir: McCrossan & Stephens
Amstel Gold Race: Kirby & Kelly
Fleche Wallonne: Kirby & Lloyd
Tour of Turkey: Kirby & Smith
Liege-Bastogne-Liege: Hatch & Kelly
4 Days of Dunkirk: Quigley & Backstedt
Tour of Azerbaijan: Hatch (solo, stage 1) / Quigley (solo, stage 2) / Harris-Bass (solo, stages 3-4) / Harris-Bass & Gibb (stage 5)
Women's Tour of Britain: Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Giro d'Italia: Hatch & Kelly (with intro from Harris-Bass stage 1 and Andy Smith stages 2&3)
Wiltshire Grand Prix: McCrossan & Stephens
Tour of California: Stephens & Smith
Tour Series (all rounds): Porter & Smith (syndicated - also on ITV4)
Tour of Norway: Quigley & Backstedt
Lincoln GP: McCrossan & Stephens
World Ports Classic: MacDonald & Smith
Tour des Fjords: Stephens & Smith
Criterium du Dauphine: Kirby & Smith
Milk Race: Quigley & Tony Doyle
London Nocturne: Porter & Smith
Tour de Suisse: Quigley & Lloyd
British Championships: Kirby & Stephens

Coming Up (from @carltonkirby, @RealStephens, @robhatchtv, @BriSmithy):

Tour de France: Kirby & Kelly
Vuelta a Espana: Kirby & Kelly