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I don't know what the story is with Bortolami, but Rominger and Olano both left because they were on contracts that paid mostly based on performance and Squinzi screwed them over on the bonuses. They never got the money.
ScienceIsCool said:
I don't know what the story is with Bortolami, but Rominger and Olano both left because they were on contracts that paid mostly based on performance and Squinzi screwed them over on the bonuses. They never got the money.
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Eh, not sure the context of my comments, but his results certainly don't make him a Ferrari... I think at best Sassi wasn't involved but was fully aware of what his riders did, at worst he was a typical enabler. Can't exactly remember but I think it was the "being holy with Ivan" type of story which introduced doubt for me.
djpbaltimore said:
Eh, not sure the context of my comments, but his results certainly don't make him a Ferrari... I think at best Sassi wasn't involved but was fully aware of what his riders did, at worst he was a typical enabler. Can't exactly remember but I think it was the "being holy with Ivan" type of story which introduced doubt for me.
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To me, from what I've read, Sassi's program, his expertise, was to provide state of the art internal testing.
He could guarantee you'd never piss positive.
In addition, I find it hard to believe he wasn't involved in organizing the team-wide doping at Mapei as reported by ARD, although, admittedly, one can give Sassi the benefit of the doubt there and assume he merely turned a blind eye.
Anyhow, the fact that someone like Shayne Bannan turned to Sassi in 2004 speaks volumes.
Bannan would have had one thing only on his mind: get results no matter how.
That alliance most certainly wasn't about racing clean.
As for the other top dogs Sassi later worked with: all they can be argued to have cared about is how to fly below the radar.
chicken dinner right here.Ferminal said:
To me, from what I've read, Sassi's program, his expertise, was to provide state of the art internal testing.
He could guarantee you'd never piss positive.
In addition, I find it hard to believe he wasn't involved in organizing the team-wide doping at Mapei as reported by ARD, although, admittedly, one can give Sassi the benefit of the doubt there and assume he merely turned a blind eye.
Anyhow, the fact that someone like Shayne Bannan turned to Sassi in 2004 speaks volumes.
Bannan would have had one thing only on his mind: get results no matter how.
That alliance most certainly wasn't about racing clean.
As for the other top dogs Sassi later worked with: all they can be argued to have cared about is how to fly below the radar.
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I think Sassi was doing more than just internal testing and seeing the recent results of some football teams (Juve/Leicester/Chelsea/Sassuolo) one can expect his methods have evolved outside of cycling.
sniper said:
I think Sassi was doing more than just internal testing and seeing the recent results of some football teams (Juve/Leicester/Chelsea/Sassuolo) one can expect his methods have evolved outside of cycling.
Agreed.
In soccer there isn't even a need to "fly below the radar" since there isn't any kind of serious testing.
And so the only plausible reason I can think of why the Mapei Institute (particularly also Sassi's brother) got successfully involved in soccer is because they knew exactly where to get the juice and how to properly juice up.
In soccer there isn't even a need to "fly below the radar" since there isn't any kind of serious testing.
And so the only plausible reason I can think of why the Mapei Institute (particularly also Sassi's brother) got successfully involved in soccer is because they knew exactly where to get the juice and how to properly juice up.
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/chris-froome-and-cadel-evans-interview-each-other-about-races-retirement-and-the-2008-tour/
We have a new candidate for the year doping stopped being cool. Or that ALFD did the testing that year instead of the UCI, and actually wanted to catch people. Also nobody knew that Roche had helped WADA to develop a test for Mircera. Take your pick.
Fortunately doping was no longer cool by 2009, when Contador went thermonuclear up Verbier, Armstrong podiumed with funky blood values, and Wiggins became a mountain goat.
We have a new candidate for the year doping stopped being cool. Or that ALFD did the testing that year instead of the UCI, and actually wanted to catch people. Also nobody knew that Roche had helped WADA to develop a test for Mircera. Take your pick.
Fortunately doping was no longer cool by 2009, when Contador went thermonuclear up Verbier, Armstrong podiumed with funky blood values, and Wiggins became a mountain goat.
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2003 : Telekom, became T-Mobile in 2004.
Cadel staying at Teide with the best of Fuentes/Ferrari/Freiburg clients (Kessler was there too) is quite telling imho
Cadel staying at Teide with the best of Fuentes/Ferrari/Freiburg clients (Kessler was there too) is quite telling imho
2003 is when Vino went to Tenerife for the first time, though i'm not sure if it was to meet Fuentes or Ferrari. http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/vinos-victory-overshadowed-by-questions-about-his-past/Oufeh said:
If it was Ferrari, then Evans being there with vino doesn't bode well for his story that he only met ferrari once in 2001-ish.
Poor Cadel. Having worked so hard to stay clean whilst all his Mapei colleagues were doping causing Mapei to implode and forcing Cadel to find a new team in 03. And he ends up at Telekom!
to add a Cadel-Ferrari link:
The southern Swiss city of Ticino is where Cadel has been a long-term resident (http://www.myswitzerland.com/en-us/interview-cadel-evans.html), and Ferrari was alleged to run a doping network in the late 00s / early 10s (http://triathletaperpassione.blogspot.com/2012/10/doping-inchiesta-sul-dottor-ferrari-con.html).
The southern Swiss city of Ticino is where Cadel has been a long-term resident (http://www.myswitzerland.com/en-us/interview-cadel-evans.html), and Ferrari was alleged to run a doping network in the late 00s / early 10s (http://triathletaperpassione.blogspot.com/2012/10/doping-inchiesta-sul-dottor-ferrari-con.html).
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Ticino isn't a city. It's a 3000 km^2 region in southern Switzerland.
John Swanson
sniper said:
Ticino isn't a city. It's a 3000 km^2 region in southern Switzerland.
John Swanson
That Evans and Froome conversation was pure cringe material. Another PR piece to sell the story and propagate the myth. A more hypocritical piece of nonsense you might struggle to read for a while.
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Stabio made an interesting appearance in the Donati report as one of the places where EPO was available (over the counter I assume) in the early EPO days.
My Italian is not good enough for a translation, so I'm putting up the original section:
Rodolfo Massi maybe? Joined Amore e Vita in 93.
cheers.Benotti69 said:
Stabio made an interesting appearance in the Donati report as one of the places where EPO was available (over the counter I assume) in the early EPO days.
My Italian is not good enough for a translation, so I'm putting up the original section:
Who's "Ro"?
Rodolfo Massi maybe? Joined Amore e Vita in 93.
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I love this recent superficial transcript...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/chris-froome-and-cadel-evans-interview-each-other-about-races-retirement-and-the-2008-tour/
even better is the commentary left by the editor, who transcribed the 'interview' (Edward Pickering).
I have a few questions for Mr. Pickering.
1. Did you research into Cadel's shady past prior to asking him about doping then and now?
2. Did you read this thread before spearheading that interview?
3. Was your intent to just parrot whatever these riders stated, allowing them to spawn more dubious and elusive doping 'stories'? Or, did you want to actually ask them the difficult questions that this thread amalgamated in a few days?
Overall, Mr. Pickering you may be an editor but your journalism skill(s) is (are) quite poor, if not insulting to the learned readers of CN.
NW
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/chris-froome-and-cadel-evans-interview-each-other-about-races-retirement-and-the-2008-tour/
even better is the commentary left by the editor, who transcribed the 'interview' (Edward Pickering).
I have a few questions for Mr. Pickering.
1. Did you research into Cadel's shady past prior to asking him about doping then and now?
2. Did you read this thread before spearheading that interview?
3. Was your intent to just parrot whatever these riders stated, allowing them to spawn more dubious and elusive doping 'stories'? Or, did you want to actually ask them the difficult questions that this thread amalgamated in a few days?
Overall, Mr. Pickering you may be an editor but your journalism skill(s) is (are) quite poor, if not insulting to the learned readers of CN.
NW
11:10 into this vid of stage 19, TDF 2011:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMzxq4RwY
Evans drops back, makes a bike change, and starts a remarkable comeback, leading the chasing group back to the race leaders.
It's the stage that wins him the TdF.
He doesn't seem to have a mechanical there; by spinning his wheel he basically shows us there is no chain/derailleur problem. And once he sees the team car is not there yet he just hops back onto his bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMzxq4RwY
Evans drops back, makes a bike change, and starts a remarkable comeback, leading the chasing group back to the race leaders.
It's the stage that wins him the TdF.
He doesn't seem to have a mechanical there; by spinning his wheel he basically shows us there is no chain/derailleur problem. And once he sees the team car is not there yet he just hops back onto his bike.
So that's one weird bike switch, one that certainly didn't damage his TdF aspirations that year.sniper said:
Now lets look at his bike for that year:
http://www.velonews.com/2011/07/tour-de-france/tour-pro-bike-cadel-evans-stage-winning-bmc-teammachine-slr01_181844
Bottom of the page, you can scroll through several photo's of his bike with commentary.
Several minor issues there:
1. On the 2nd photo, you see his di2 battery is mounted under the down tube ( "external short"). Why not mount it inside the seattube? I guess that's difficult if you already have something else hidden there.
2. For some reason Evans rides with an older model SRM cranks (photo 2). Why? I reckon his sponsor would prefer him to ride with the new cranks. Doesn't make sense. Or does it? Fact is, the cranks are attached to the spindle which is a standard part of the Vivax type bikemotor.
3. His saddle (photo 7). His bike needs to meet the minimum weight, which should normally be no problem. But he still opts for that extremely light yet massively uncomfortable sadle. In fact as it says below the photo it's the lleast popular model amongst pros. Doesn't make sense. Well, unless of course he's carrying considerable extra weight inside his seattube.
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The same tour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBE4FfoYUuQ
2:06:20 Evans is in the back ready for a swap
2:07:20 team car in position
2:09:00 o no he just needed a chain lube
2:33:57 bike swap. According to dutch commentry it was his second flat so maybe more swaps.
3:00:50 stage victory
3:06:30 "I dont know what happened but I had to change bikes"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ojeabQIyw
"I think someone ran into my rear deailleur or something"
sniper said:
The same tour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBE4FfoYUuQ
2:06:20 Evans is in the back ready for a swap
2:07:20 team car in position
2:09:00 o no he just needed a chain lube
2:33:57 bike swap. According to dutch commentry it was his second flat so maybe more swaps.
3:00:50 stage victory
3:06:30 "I dont know what happened but I had to change bikes"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ojeabQIyw
"I think someone ran into my rear deailleur or something"
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re 1) There was no seatpost battery in 2011, you are looking at the standard solution on any Shimano-sponsored bike.
re 2) What is remarkable about a regular DA 7900 SRM crank, the crank that any other SRM-sponsored bike had?
re 3) This is massively fabricated, you can proof about anything if you want to.
So he stops in the worst situation you can think of to pretend to check his bike, then waits agonizingly long seconds for his team car, hops on a bike to regain the lost time? Come on.sniper said:
re 1) There was no seatpost battery in 2011, you are looking at the standard solution on any Shimano-sponsored bike.
re 2) What is remarkable about a regular DA 7900 SRM crank, the crank that any other SRM-sponsored bike had?
re 3) This is massively fabricated, you can proof about anything if you want to.
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What are the odds, the more bikes they change, the faster they (Cadel, Cance, Sagan) go!
:lol:
Lovely.Tienus said:
What are the odds, the more bikes they change, the faster they (Cadel, Cance, Sagan) go!
:lol:
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