Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[CyclistAbi]

Looks like Roglič didn't fade in week 3 of the honeymoon after all!

P.S. Really looking forward to 2022 season.

 

[SHAD0W93]

That would seem to involve less chance of crashing. The closer to the front you are, then the less people there are that can crash in front of you and the more likely you can pick good lines. The issue is having the legs to do that.

Frank Schleck was pretty close to the front when they crashed in 2010. Jumbo just have to ride around him with bats to protect him.

 

[johnymax]

Interesting read.

One small remark. It says Pogačar's effort was in the rain but so was Roglič's (even heavier rain if I remember correctly).

 

[Red Rick]

Interesting read.

One small remark. It says Pogačar's effort was in the rain but so was Roglič's (even heavier rain if I remember correctly).

The question is why would the power outputs of Pogs rivals be so damned low. That would be the 240km stage the day before.

One on one it's very equal or Roglic' performance might be slightly more impressive even, especially the 5.8W on the flat impresses me but the gaps on the stages tell me Pogacar did it in a more fatigued peloton/harder circumstances.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The thing i guess is Pogačar has never really (meaningful) beaten Roglič at climbing. He did that in TT still i feel that Roglič is overall a better TTer. When it comes to being a better puncher. Both took some wins going against each other. Hence i couldn't decide who is currently better at it. On a tailor made race i would still give Roglič the edge in this discipline. Where Pogačar IMHO has/had an edge is endurance. Here likely being younger plays a role. In 2021 season i would say Roglič did reduce the difference in this regard.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The question is why would the power outputs of Pogs rivals be so damned low. That would be the 240km stage the day before.

One on one it's very equal or Roglic' performance might be slightly more impressive even, especially the 5.8W on the flat impresses me but the gaps on the stages tell me Pogacar did it in a more fatigued peloton/harder circumstances.

How did they estimate wattage? Roglic was riding on Bernal's wheel for a significant part of this effort, which obviously should be considered here. After all they don't have wattage directly from riders bikes/computers (which would incorporate all drag forces a rider has to overcome with pedalling).

Plus obviously the circumstances are very important (as you said): crazy week at the Tour de France and the Alpine weather considerably colder than in Spain.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Then again did Pogačar have a "Bernal" to compete against on Tour 2021?

IMHO no.

 

[Red Rick]

How did they estimate wattage? Roglic was riding on Bernal's wheel for a significant part of this effort, which obviously should be considered here. After all they don't have wattage directly from riders bikes/computers (which would incorporate all drag forces a rider has to overcome with pedalling).

Plus obviously the circumstances are very important (as you said): crazy week at the Tour de France and the Alpine weather considerably colder than in Spain.

Dunno. But drilling it on the flat is hardly as easy as recovering on a descent. And to then do a faster final climb than the other GC guys who've been continuously spending less energy for the last 60 minutes is massive.

The way I see it Roglic is a slightly more consistent climber than Pogacar actually. Pogacar has about 2 huge performances every GT but then also at least one weaker one so far.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Dunno. But drilling it on the flat is hardly as easy as recovering on a descent. And to then do a faster final climb than the other GC guys who've been continuously spending less energy for the last 60 minutes is massive.

The way I see it Roglic is a slightly more consistent climber than Pogacar actually. Pogacar has about 2 huge performances every GT but then also at least one weaker one so far.

I think Covadonga times were about the same for Roglic and the chasing group (with aboug 1'30'' of difference at the start and at the end). As for consistency I'm not sure we have large enough sample. One could say that Roglic's PDBF performance and some climbs at Vuelta'20 weren't good compared to his standard level. As for general climbing level obviously Roglic is the only one who can be compared to Pogacar, the rest is not at their level (speaking about average performance, obviously guys like Yates or Lopez showed high peaks).

 

[Red Rick]

I think Covadonga times were about the same for Roglic and the chasing group (with aboug 1'30'' of difference at the start and at the end). As for consistency I'm not sure we have large enough sample. One could say that Roglic's PDBF performance and some climbs at Vuelta'20 weren't good compared to his standard level. As for general climbing level obviously Roglic is the only one who can be compared to Pogacar, the rest is not at their level (speaking about average performance, obviously guys like Yates or Lopez showed high peaks).

PDBF was a better ITT than Pogacar's 2nd one in this Tour smh.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

PDBF was a better ITT than Pogacar's 2nd one in this Tour smh.

I'm talking only about PDBF climb: Roglic almost cracked there and in a few km he lost a lot of time not only to Pog but also to some other guys. We are talking about climbing performances exclusively.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Stage 7 of TDF 2022 should give more answers regarding that. It will be rather interesting to see on what will happen.

 

[bNator]

Glad you guys finally came to your senses and realised Roglic is in fact a better rider

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Glad you guys finally came to your senses and realised Roglic is in fact a better rider

Primoz simply let his younger friend win two Tours but no more mercy from now on!

 

[CyclistAbi]

Interestingly Roglič participated in two GTs per season in the last 3 seasons. Podiumed on all but one where he DNF. On top of that still manage to undertake a 3 week long honeymoon.

Talking about being a seasoned GT rider.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Interestingly Roglič participated in two GTs per season in the last 3 seasons. Podiumed on all but one where he DNF. On top of that still manage to undertake a 3 week long honeymoon.

Talking about being a seasoned GT rider.

Primoz fading in the 3rd week is a myth, just ask his wife.

 

[Rackham]

A special gift for Romain Bardet, i.e. Roglic on a literal Moto GP!

 

[CyclistAbi]

After cycling?

 

[Sciatic]

After cycling?

Let’s hope so!

 

[Rackham]

It's great to see Rogla receiving VIP privileges.

In a way it shows how far he's come since this thread was created.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Let’s hope so!

Primoz is interdisciplinary. A change from a bike to a motorbike should be a piece of cake for him. Marc Marquez had better hurry up with his comeback - his time to beat Rossi's records is limited!

 

[Eeslliw]

Primoz is interdisciplinary. A change from a bike to a motorbike should be a piece of cake for him. Marc Marquez had better hurry up with his comeback - his time to beat Rossi's records is limited!

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I have in my head he used to own a motorbike and sold it to buy his first bicycle when he started to take it serious.

 

[johnymax]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I have in my head he used to own a motorbike and sold it to buy his first bicycle when he started to take it serious.

True
Now luckily he doesn't need to sell his bicycle if he wants to buy a new motorbike.

 

[Lequack]

PS: Today's moto GP race was the last for the season, but also the last for The Doctor - Valentino Rossi. He retired today at 42, after 21 years racing.

 

[Lequack]

They also had a bit of a race with Alex Espargaro