Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Samu Cuenca]

Criticising Vingegaard after the EC is fair enough, but I'm not sure I would have done it if I were an ex-rider known for not being a great one-day racer or team player nor for being in good shape outside of my seasonal goals and have had a terrible relationship with the same national federation.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Criticising Vingegaard after the EC is fair enough, but I'm not sure I would have done it if I were an ex-rider known for not being a great one-day racer or team player nor for being in good shape outside of my seasonal goals and have had a terrible relationship with the same national federation.

Even though I dislike a few ex-riders on their personality or their words on fields not expert in, IMO that don't automatically disqualify some of their takes.
And here I must say I agree on every word from MR.
Besides, the story here about Skjelmose's advice to Jonas pre-race - is that for real?
I know the world of focussed training and substances have changed over time, but in amateur clubs as mine it has been school yard basics thst you don't push your limits the day before you enter the start line of a huge performance, and especially not if you've been away from your bike.
Speechless.

 

[KoopaCycling]

If this was the remco thread. People be flooding it with posts about excuses and a different tale before and after the race. How dare Jonas now say that him not spending time on the bike for 2 weeks after the vuelta may be a reason for his lesser performance. And how dare he assume he is capable of 1 day racing and possible winning when having only won 1 one day race. This needs dozens of posts on that sort of blasphemy. At least if this was the Remco thread...

 

[AmRacer]

If this was the remco thread. People be flooding it with posts about excuses and a different tale before and after the race. How dare Jonas now say that him not spending time on the bike for 2 weeks after the vuelta may be a reason for his lesser performance. And how dare he assume he is capable of 1 day racing and possible winning when having only won 1 one day race. This needs dozens of posts on that sort of blasphemy. At least if this was the Remco thread...

Remco fans post excuses/explanations, a lot.

 

[Netserk]

If this was the remco thread. People be flooding it with posts about excuses and a different tale before and after the race. How dare Jonas now say that him not spending time on the bike for 2 weeks after the vuelta may be a reason for his lesser performance. And how dare he assume he is capable of 1 day racing and possible winning when having only won 1 one day race. This needs dozens of posts on that sort of blasphemy. At least if this was the Remco thread...

Thank you for the valuable contribution to this thread.

 

[Salvarani]

Criticising Vingegaard after the EC is fair enough, but I'm not sure I would have done it if I were an ex-rider known for not being a great one-day racer or team player nor for being in good shape outside of my seasonal goals and have had a terrible relationship with the same national federation.

Sure, but that doesnt take away from what is being said could be accurate.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Even though I dislike a few ex-riders on their personality or their words on fields not expert in, IMO that don't automatically disqualify some of their takes.
And here I must say I agree on every word from MR.
Besides, the story here about Skjelmose's advice to Jonas pre-race - is that for real?
I know the world of focussed training and substances have changed over time, but in amateur clubs as mine it has been school yard basics thst you don't push your limits the day before you enter the start line of a huge performance, and especially not if you've been away from your bike.
Speechless.

It sounds like he's learned something from this experience, which could possibly help him in the future.
He wouldn't have gained that from staying at home. He could have decided to travel home before the start like Mads Pedersen did, but that probably wouldn't have earned him more praise.

The Danish team also managed to ride a decent race without him. They put riders in the breakaway, which Vingegaard obviously wouldn't have been allowed to join, but they ended up being brought back too early for them to be of much use thanks to the Belgians. Skjelmose still managed to finish a solid 7th. It could have been much worse, and Skjelmose had already delivered above expectations a week earlier in a race that mattered more to most people.

 

[Lurkerman]

Not sure if Vingegaard will ever retire, I can see him having a Froome-like career, forever chasing the next and final TDF. I am not at all convinced that he enjoys or wants to renovate kitchens, I think it's his wife or family who has a thing for TDF winners, sure, but also for handymen, especially if you could somehow combine them and so Vingegaard is afraid to let them down, just one more TDF and then he can finally switch his energies to this other, dangerous endeavor

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Not sure if Vingegaard will ever retire, I can see him having a Froome-like career, forever chasing the next and final TDF. I am not at all convinced that he enjoys or wants to renovate kitchens, I think it's his wife or family who has a thing for TDF winners, sure, but also for handymen, especially if you could somehow combine them and so Vingegaard is afraid to let them down, just one more TDF and then he can finally switch his energies to this other, dangerous endeavor

Trine will want Vingo to retire early to focus on family and OTOH Vingo may prefer a longer career to avoid house works. It really depends on who's in charge in this family (it doesn't seem it's Jonas!).

 

[jmdirt]

I don't understand, JV's wife is concerned about the demands racing puts on their family, but he's racing in...November?!

I'm know that he is able to spend more time with the fam while prepping for these 'fun' races, but come on, what's the deal here?! November and December are the two months that he can get away from racing, but here he is. This makes me think that, like everything on sm, she is faking drama.

 

[Oldman]

I don't understand, JV's wife is concerned about the demands racing puts on their family, but he's racing in...November?!

I'm know that he is able to spend more time with the fam while prepping for these 'fun' races, but come on, what's the deal here?! November and December are the two months that he can get away from racing, but here he is. This makes me think that, like everything on sm, she is faking drama.

Sure you do....someone has to pay for the next addition to the house. Primoz soft pedalled as Jonas rode away so it's clear Jonas has fully recovered. And that both guys got a huge appearance fee in Japan to make the show "exciting". It's fun to pretend.

 

[RedheadDane]

I'm know that he is able to spend more time with the fam while prepping for these 'fun' races, but come on, what's the deal here?! November and December are the two months that he can get away from racing, but here he is. This makes me think that, like everything on sm, she is faking drama.

He's basically talked about it as combined racing and family vacation.

 

[Oldman]

I don't understand, JV's wife is concerned about the demands racing puts on their family, but he's racing in...November?!

I'm know that he is able to spend more time with the fam while prepping for these 'fun' races, but come on, what's the deal here?! November and December are the two months that he can get away from racing, but here he is. This makes me think that, like everything on sm, she is faking drama.

It's Ok if she fakes drama. ....he's faking racing at the same time.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I don't understand, JV's wife is concerned about the demands racing puts on their family, but he's racing in...November?!

I'm know that he is able to spend more time with the fam while prepping for these 'fun' races, but come on, what's the deal here?! November and December are the two months that he can get away from racing, but here he is. This makes me think that, like everything on sm, she is faking drama.

It's a power struggle. Trine wants Jonas at home to do houseworks all year long while Jonas prefers racing criteriums 1000000000000 km away from home.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Giro is more and more on Vingegaard's schedule next year.

Vingegaard and Roglic keen to face Pogacar—yet both openly flirt with a different Grand Tour

Jonas Vingegaard and Primož Roglič could well line up at the 2026 Tour de France, but after the Saitama Criterium their comments also pointed toward other targets. For both leaders—at Visma | Lease a...

www.idlprocycling.com

 

[Bolder]

Giro is more and more on Vingegaard's schedule next year.

Vingegaard and Roglic keen to face Pogacar—yet both openly flirt with a different Grand Tour

Jonas Vingegaard and Primož Roglič could well line up at the 2026 Tour de France, but after the Saitama Criterium their comments also pointed toward other targets. For both leaders—at Visma | Lease a...

www.idlprocycling.com

As it should be. Winning all three GTs should be a priority.

 

[vappaxbipmv]

As it should be. Winning all three GTs should be a priority.

I agree and if he doesn't do it next year, he will have a lot more problems doing it later. Now he's a clear 2nd in GT, after next year maybe not anymore. Add injuries, weather, sickness and he might never win the Giro, which would be a shame. I say do it in 2026 when you're still definitely better than anyone who will race it

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Tough call. I don’t see him being eclipsed in GTs by the riding riders within the next two years but a lot can change in two years. I’d probably go all in on Tour again and might as well ride the Vuelta again. Then ride the Giro in 2027. I don’t think k he should throw in the towel against Pogacar just yet.

 

[RedheadDane]

Tough call. I don’t see him being eclipsed in GTs by the riding riders within the next two years but a lot can change in two years. I’d probably go all in on Tour again and might as well ride the Vuelta again. Then ride the Giro in 2027. I don’t think k he should throw in the towel against Pogacar just yet.

On the other hand; he might not want to delay riding the Giro any longer. He probably has some understanding of how quickly things can change, as he's already had one career threatening crash.

On the third hand (borrowing from an unsuspecting victim); he recently mentioned that he's only now been able to train properly since the Basque Crash last year, so makes sense if he'd want another crack at the Tour.

 

[Red Rick]

While the consensus seems to be that there's a significant opportunity cost to racing the Giro, I don't think it's that much bigger than not racing it.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

While the consensus seems to be that there's a significant opportunity cost to racing the Giro, I don't think it's that much bigger than not racing it.

Because you think he’s comfortably second (not first or third) meaning he has good chances of finishing the Tour in second whether he prioritizes it or not, whereas if he does the Gito he might get that on top of second?

 

[yaco]

We need to realise that Jonas has never ridden the Giro and he needs to do it sooner or later.

 

[Cookster15]

Giro is more and more on Vingegaard's schedule next year.

Vingegaard and Roglic keen to face Pogacar—yet both openly flirt with a different Grand Tour

Jonas Vingegaard and Primož Roglič could well line up at the 2026 Tour de France, but after the Saitama Criterium their comments also pointed toward other targets. For both leaders—at Visma | Lease a...

www.idlprocycling.com

I like this quote.

Sometimes he really does seem unbeatable… But if I were to say now that he truly was unbeatable, that would mean I’m giving up. I won’t do that; I think I have a chance to beat him

Vingo is realistic and yet positive. He said similar during the 2024 and 2025 TdFs when defeat seemed inevitable. He never gives up. Hard not to respect that and you never know until you try - that is kind of what road racing is all about?

I'm looking forward to Jonas riding the Giro. In fact, I think the generally harder mountains suit him even better than the Tour?

If a rider like Nibali could win all three grand tours then it is only natural one of the two best grand tour riders of the current generation attempt that. It would also put some pressure back on Pogacar to target winning the Vuelta which is missing from his palmarès.

 

[Red Rick]

Because you think he’s comfortably second (not first or third) meaning he has good chances of finishing the Tour in second whether he prioritizes it or not, whereas if he does the Gito he might get that on top of second?

I think he can do a good TdF after racing the Giro. I think as a rider you need to be able to stay motivated, so I think racing the Giro would be a nice mixup for him. And I think you minimize the risk of running into Pogacar in 2 GTs should he decide to double up after the Tour.

 

[Netserk]

he doesnt need to ever ride the giro, and having won all three gts is no special feat. its far more important for him to win a third tour. only upside is if he doesnt think he can win against pogi in both the tour and the vuelta.