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The annual WvA illusion, like on Ventoux last year. People saw him drop Pog on Hautacam after a 4 min pull and think he can touch these guys. Except he climbed 4 minutes slower than Jonas and he got dropped early on Azet the day before. He would also lose a lot of minutes on high altitude climbs, he was dropped on Granon very early after being in the breakaway.
His coach says:
Coach Marc Lamberts: "Wout van Aert kan de Tour niet winnen"
Twee jaar geleden was het al een item in de media en na zijn indrukwekkend optreden in de Tour van dit jaar – en vooral na zijn prestatie in de etappe met aankomst op Hautacam – rijst de vraag opnieuw. Kan Wout van Aert op termijn zelf de Tour winnen? De meningen zijn verdeeld, maar […]
To be fair, all Luke Rowe knows about GTs is riding all out giving everything for leaders.
This would be strange for me . . . the possibility of becoming an Ineos fan. Life is full of surprises.
There sure is, the source is Gazzetta dello Sport. At least the team is interested in bringing him back, now it all depends on his decision. He has contract until the end of this year, yet no extension.
Roglič back at doctor Bračič, who was also healing his knee tendon problems this year.
View: https://twitter.com/Debby_Drckx/status/1551677978446368768/photo/1
View: https://twitter.com/Debby_Drckx/status/1551677978446368768/photo/1
Adam Yates is a classic example of a rider you need to send to the Giro + Vuelta and hopefully he can get you some top-5/top-8s, and thats all you realistically can hope for. You don't really build a team for him, you let him do his thing, and you shoot on sprint stages with Viviani and breakaways on top of that. Thats what hes good for, and thats fine.
Much will depend on Egan Bernal this year. I follow him on Strava, and he does some big rides at the moment. Rumors are hes not doing La Vuelta, but that quick quickly change if he's flying in Burgos. Lets see.
Much will depend on Egan Bernal this year. I follow him on Strava, and he does some big rides at the moment. Rumors are hes not doing La Vuelta, but that quick quickly change if he's flying in Burgos. Lets see.
Thanks for the link.
That quote from Zeeman about Roglic destroying himself before Jumbo sent him home needs some context & I think a question should be asked, i.e. "whose decision was it to have Roglic pull hard on Alpe d'Huez & the Mende stage?".
I watched those stages from 11 onwards, i.e. Roglic did work everyday at the front & several hard pulls, especially on Alpe. On the final stage of his Tour, he was dropped at the beginning & sat at the back of his group before Jumbo 'retrieved' him when the split was undone & immediately put him on the front before he split the group himself with a major pull on the cat 3 climb before Mende.
My point is if this was all Roglic's own choice then yeah, an example of self-sacrifice which might have torpedoed his own season & considering his back pain Jumbo were right to make him stop (& they should have previously stopped him from pulling as well). But if they had a say in this work & made him do it? That wouldn't be okay for multiple reasons (health, standing, history & basic decency etc.).
Roglic's post-injury stages tell a story themselves & it never looked like he was holding back or recuperating, at all. Either through his own choice, or the team's.
#vertebrae. I guess then the rumours were true.
There are egos in all teams. And no big team will just automatically work for Roglič at the Tour. What i feel it's rather safe to say JV won't do that. And at the Tour JV is not the best team for Roglič. That is on why so many issues are involved for him on this race. He needs more homogeneous team. Ineos needs the edge. In my opinion it's a good match. It's risky but at the same time mutual benefits are there. If this is to happen then i guess it will be during the winter time. For now lets get Rogla on the bike again.
I'm pretty sure Rog just went with the moment and decided to do the best he could. Also I don't think there's a gigantic difference between sitting in the gruppetto and doing one pull before dropping off.
I don't think egos clash in the team, I think it's more that the messaging is stupid.
This here is definitely true.
Jumbo's social media is awash with cringe, i.e. for example
I mean dude... Roglic was a "go-getter"? Praising an Olympic champion & 3x GT winner for finishing third on La Super Planche? (without mentioning context re injury).
Argh, my eyes.
Obviously JV noted Primoz's promising improvement compared to PDBF in 2020: 5th -> 3rd -> ... (you know what's next).
Hopefully Primoz draws some satisfaction from beating Pog this year (with the small help of Vinge).
There for sure were some TDF 2020 final ITT vibes on TDF 2022 stage 11. Hence some personal satisfaction likely was at play and on top of that it was about moving on. This is now history. Still this likely wasn't the primary objective. Roglič still gave Pogačar a choice. I crashed and i am injured and a whole light year behind. Will you give me some leeway? Roglič always gave that to Pogačar. When Pogačar was behind. That is before that ITT. And Pogačar basically said no. No way.
What hence Roglič achieved on this Tour edition is he got Pogačar from his back wheel. In general. This is in my opinion a rather important achievement. And then there is that BS. On how Roglič can't win the Tour anyway.
He will find a way i am sure of that. He will beat JV from within the team or with another team. And he will beat Pogačar.
If then another one jumps out of the bush. Then one more left. That is all there is to it.
What hence Roglič achieved on this Tour edition is he got Pogačar from his back wheel. In general. This is in my opinion a rather important achievement. And then there is that BS. On how Roglič can't win the Tour anyway.
He will find a way i am sure of that. He will beat JV from within the team or with another team. And he will beat Pogačar.
If then another one jumps out of the bush. Then one more left. That is all there is to it.
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Lets not forget it was Roglič who relocated his shoulder on stage 5. Sat on the bike with his back broken. Pulled himself back in the contention. Yes he actually pulled the two helpers with him. Stayed close behind the duo on stage 7. Went on and throw himself under the bus on stage 11. When the team asked him as they had no other options open. It was not just bluff. He actually half beaten Pogačar. While the rest of the peloton was already dropped.
He will figure it out.
He will figure it out.
#vertebrae. I guess then the rumours were true.
we have reached the point where NHL where players have two body parts (upper-body and lower-body) can provide more meaningful official injury updates
The way I see it, key differences (from Roglič perspective) between TJV and Ineos are:
- Ineos focuses solely on GC while TJV has multiple goals which clash with one another
- TJV has a rider which likey has and possibly will continue to have an edge over him in the mountains while Ineos currently have no such rider
@bNator
At JV he will now basically need to beat JV first. JV plotting against that to happen. But that is not the biggest issue i see. Roglič in general needs a more homogeneous team at a race such as the Tour. Strong but not as aggressive and different goals oriented. JV isn't such a team. I joked on how their surprise announcement will be they are going after KoM too. On top of everything. And indeed they won KoM in the end. They basically won everything there is to win. That is JV did. Roglič won nothing and got a nasty injury and a piece of two days old cake. As it looks like JV has figured it out and as in my opinion this system won't benefit Roglič. The time has come to look beyond that. At minimum to listen. And to make some hard decisions over the winter.
At JV he will now basically need to beat JV first. JV plotting against that to happen. But that is not the biggest issue i see. Roglič in general needs a more homogeneous team at a race such as the Tour. Strong but not as aggressive and different goals oriented. JV isn't such a team. I joked on how their surprise announcement will be they are going after KoM too. On top of everything. And indeed they won KoM in the end. They basically won everything there is to win. That is JV did. Roglič won nothing and got a nasty injury and a piece of two days old cake. As it looks like JV has figured it out and as in my opinion this system won't benefit Roglič. The time has come to look beyond that. At minimum to listen. And to make some hard decisions over the winter.
No satisfaction, it was ***. Now Pogacar looks human & likeable (hell, even I was cheering for him in the Pyrenees). This isn't acceptable. Rog versus Pog must happen without annoying haybale interruptions or Danish distractions.
Meanwhile, I'll tell myself the total radio silence from Roglic combined with the intensive vertebrae treatment he's receiving says he's doing absolutely everything he can to heal for the Vuelta. Hence no news because they don't have any yet.
Seeing Vingegaard & Pogacar nope out of a Vuelta title is also what makes Roglic such an awesome rider, i.e. he'll always go for glory if he can. No talk of fatigue, or heat, or long-term career projections. Just straight-up no-nonsense racing. That's what makes this injury so frustrating.
This is like the 2013 - 2017 Contador experience all over again. Hopefully, unlike Contador, he can still sneak in a Tour win.
We saw that in 2020. Roglic lost. Do you know how absolutely obnoxious you sound? No Danish distractions? Its a bike race goddamnit, and there are 180 other riders, and Vingegaard was the best. No Danish distractions at this point basically suggest you hope Vingegaard crashing out, not attending, getting sick etc. so you can have your beloved battle, where Roglic in 2023 in all likelyhood is losing to the 24 year old Pogacar.
Holy christ, rarely I have ever seen such a vivid cheerleader from one particular forum user. spread across the forum where you casually sprinkle in your disingenious takes on Roglic getting sacrified and flat out lies This is La Florecita-esque, and thats not good if you ever wondered.
Your facetiousness detector clearly isn't working.
Why so serious? As you said, it's just a bike race. I don't care about Vingegaard, i.e. that's the past now & it'll probably be 11 months until Roglic versus Vingegaard is even a real discussion again (beyond some early season pre-Tour form comparisons), so what's the point. This is now about the Vuelta & the annoying injury which will probably ruin Roglic's season.
Contrary to others I'm not a TdF obsessive. The best races & racing I've watched in recent years hasn't even been in the Tour & yes, the Vuelta is a race I've enjoyed for a long time (long before Roglic won it).
Also, I hit the reply button before you edited out that last paragraph but I'm leaving it in anyway because hey, why not.
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