I guess it's by now rather safe to say 2023 edition will be special.
P.S. Rogla using the numbers game. Against Pogi and Jonas.
P.S. Rogla using the numbers game. Against Pogi and Jonas.
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Wait… Does that mean G gets to win the Tour?I guess it's by now rather safe to say 2023 edition will be special.
P.S. Rogla using the numbers game. Against Pogi and Jonas.
Ineos had the full team in stage 5 including Roubaix winner and Geraint still crashed at the same time Roglic did. Switch teams and Roglic still goes down. Pogacar didn't had any team, yet managed to even win time. Team's protection is not failproof sometimes even teammates can take you down like Benoot did with Vingegaard.There are egos in all teams. And no big team will just automatically work for Roglič at the Tour. What i feel it's rather safe to say JV won't do that. And at the Tour JV is not the best team for Roglič. That is on why so many issues are involved for him on this race. He needs more homogeneous team. Ineos needs the edge. In my opinion it's a good match. It's risky but at the same time mutual benefits are there. If this is to happen then i guess it will be during the winter time. For now lets get Rogla on the bike again.
When was Pidcock focused on Geraint's GC? Pidcock has contract until 2027 and aparently gets 5 million in his new contract. No way he is gonna be a domestique or he misses TdF at that price tag. Geraint and Bernal are gonna focus on GC, their own, they're not gonna bury themselves for Roglic. Apart from some weak pulls from Yates and Martinez, Geraint didn't have any support. Guys like Van Aert, Kuss or McNulty were better than the entire Ineos team. Everyone emphasized in the last week how Ineos had the full team and they could pull some things, they were nowhere to be found.The way I see it, key differences (from Roglič perspective) between TJV and Ineos are:
These two facts combined mean Roglič's chances for Tour victory should be higher in Ineos. As for other factors such as team spirit and rider development I think it's impossible to say for sure...
- Ineos focuses solely on GC while TJV has multiple goals which clash with one another
- TJV has a rider which likey has and possibly will continue to have an edge over him in the mountains while Ineos currently have no such rider
In any case if Roglič wants to win the Tour. He will need to beat both Pogi and Jonas. In my opinion JV won't help him with that. At JV they likely believe he will make the sacrifice each year for Jonas. All their planning will go in this direction. Regardless of what they will be telling Roglič before the race. Hence hypothetically if he decides to sign for Ineos. He won't be in worse position. And lets not forget Ineos was the best team at this Tour edition. They just don't have the edge. On why Ineos cyclists didn't do more for Thomas. As Thomas himself said he won't chase Pogačar and Vingegaard up the hill. Hence what would be the point.
Ineos was NOT the best team in that Tour. They just won a classification nobody (bar Movistar) gives a damn about. TJV were the best team. UAE even with limited numbers, did well too. Heck, even Gaudu's FDJ were better than Ineos imo.
Certainly, Roglic wouldn't be better at Ineos. As your point goes, basically demanding full support for Roglic, he has to be in a team where he is the sole leader. Otherwise he may be in a similar situation as in stage five.
Ineos was NOT the best team in that Tour. They just won a classification nobody (bar Movistar) gives a damn about. TJV were the best team. UAE even with limited numbers, did well too. Heck, even Gaudu's FDJ were better than Ineos imo.
Certainly, Roglic wouldn't be better at Ineos. As your point goes, basically demanding full support for Roglic, he has to be in a team where he is the sole leader. Otherwise he may be in a similar situation as in stage five.
But it is also true, that you can't win the tour if you crash heavily in will one - ask Richie Porte.
Ineos were what they needed to be. G can't compete with Jonas and pogi, and I don't mean that badly, he would agree and he was on great form. You can't deny that if they had Roglic they would have ridden a very different race. But it is also true, that you can't win the tour if you crash heavily in will one - ask Richie Porte.
Not really, no. Ineos were pretty much non existent. G's podium is solely down to him being the 3rd best rider in the race. He'd finish 3rd at most of the teams, probably even at BnB.
We can always discuss metrics. Officially hence Ineos was the best. On top of that Martínez struggled. Healthy Martínez makes difference. As for you mentioning UAE. In the category of best teams. If you claim that then you have to admit that your metrics are a bit off? And yes. At Ineos i would expect for Roglič to be the sole leader at Tour 2023. What would otherwise be the point? That is for both. For Roglič and Ineos? If the switch happens then this goes without saying.
It could end up as a flop. There are no guarantees. But on the other hand it could end up as the switch Michael Schumacher made to Ferrari. In any case it can't be worse for Roglič. Compared to JV option. That is if not much would change in comparison to this year edition. But as this is cycling. Who knows as in the end maybe Jonas will sign for Ineos. My point is he can't be in worse position. In teams such as Ineos or Groupama-FDJ. Then he is at JV. That is if he wants to win the Tour. The rest should likely be fine in any team.
We'll see.
You see. Saying stuff like Ineos and B&B Hotels are basically the same teams. You have to understand that you will have a hard time selling that. But OK. If somebody buys it then it's on them.
I agree with this. Martinez and Yates were of little help to G.Not really, no. Ineos were pretty much non existent. G's podium is solely down to him being the 3rd best rider in the race. He'd finish 3rd at most of the teams, probably even at BnB.
Lool..When did I say they're the same team?
All I said was, for Thomas it wouldn't make a difference the team he rides for and even with much weaker team, he'd be third.
I agree with this. Martinez and Yates were of little help to G.
Right there. By saying Thomas would be third in any team. That is basically saying they are all the same teams. Reducing Ineos to scrap. At the same time you claim UAE was superior to Ineos. But you do understand that if UAE would be a stronger team then stage 11 would likely never have happened? Lets say if Pogi would be riding for Ineos. Or likely if he would have had Almeida.
As for you claim on how Roglič can only win the Tour at JV. And a few words before that saying he was a mere domestique. I don't have problems if you feel that way. Just don't call other people as being biased then.
All this Ineos speculation is based on a column by Bruyneel?
All this Ineos speculation is based on a column by Bruyneel?
Vinge got some special royal treatment. He flew home on a private jet. Roglič probably had to go home in his motor home.