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"Ok, I've calmed down a bit now," Boštjan Mervar, a former cycling pro and one of the key men in Primož Roglič's cycling transformation, told us in a phone conversation about half an hour after the end of the middle of the fifth stage of the Tour de France when we asked him for a brief comment on what was going on. He was Zasavec's coach in the Adria Mobil team when the former ski jumper took up cycling, so he was very emotional about the events at the end of the stage.
Primož Roglič suffered a disaster on the fifth stage of the Tour de France, which took the riders over eleven spectacular cobbled sections. After a crash, he lost a huge amount of time in the overall standings and suffered a major blow in his fight for the coveted overall victory in the all-round race.
"It really was a small disaster," nodded a disappointed Boštjan Mervar, adding, "I was more disappointed with his team. I was thinking right and I said to myself that I really don't want to look at all this subjectively, because I like Primož, but I don't understand the tactics of Jumbo-Visme today, because they are pulling one group forward and the other is in front, so they are chasing each other. I really do not understand that. We did not do that, and we were a continental team. But from that point of view we were a better organised team than Jumbo-Visma was today."
That's a severe criticism of the Dutch team, which had a really bad day on Wednesday, with a number of crashes by its main assets, and then a hysterical problem-solving session at the end, in which it was Primož Roglič who drew the shortest one. "I really don't understand. Those people who were in the cars don't deserve to be there. I don't know. Let's say if, when Roglič fell, the group with van Aert and Vingegaard had waited only 15 seconds for Roglič to join them, the stage would have ended the same way. Maybe even better, because seven riders could have pulled, but there were three riders in one group and three riders in the other group... It's irrelevant, it's nonsense. I don't know what else to say. They really kept the yellow jersey, but they're going to lose it sooner or later anyway," said Mervar.
When we spoke, it was not yet known that Roglič had dislocated his shoulder when he fell over a bale of hay, which was accidentally dragged onto the road by one of the motorcycles in the caravan, and had to adjust it himself before he could continue the race. Still, we can't help feeling that Jumbo-Visma sacrificed him, with all the support being given to Wout van Aert, who rescued the yellow jersey and himself epically pulled Jonas Vingegaard, who the Dutch seem to be favouring as their first overall favourite for the race.
"I'm sorry that Primož didn't go to another team two years ago. Today they let me down on the whole line. I really want to see how it will be in the end, where Jumbo-Visma will be in the overall classification, because what they are doing now, from stage to stage, full on, headless, is not the best. Good, because they have done something with van Aert. All honours, but that's not it," said Mervar disappointed.
What does Bruyneel say there?I think a very real argument can be made on the issue of Jumbo Visma's Tour de France approach having never worked for Roglic, like ever. 2018? He had to overcome Kruijswijk & some pretty sh*t tactics (still a great result), 2019? Oops, huge missed opportunity, 2020? Crashed in the Dauphiné, had Dumoulin shoehorned in as co-leader & the Jumbo choo-choo train with the result we know. 2021 & 2022 are carbon copy disasters owing to shitty luck & lack of support at key moments.
So... I agree with Johan Bruyneel's opinion piece in WielerFlits: Johan Bruyneel: Jumbo-Visma geeft Tadej Pogacar veel huiswerk mee | WielerFlits
We'll find out soon enough. First things first, we'll get confirmation of his injury status & his yes/no presence in the Vuelta.
What does Bruyneel say there?
I think you are doing a disservice to both Primož and yourself with posts like that. You present a thesis and then refuse to support it with any argument.If you want to win a proper Tour edition you usually need to make some big sacrifices. For JV the sacrificial lamb was Roglič. And i must say that they treated him rather badly. Anyway. That is on why when you stand up there. As winner. You know you had to give up something in order to be there. They won the Tour and they lost Roglič. You can't have it all. That is the nature of this sport. For a while likely they will all pretend. After that time to go separate ways.
P.S. I heard that Pidcock needs a mentor.
I understand your point ... not everyone can win and sometimes teammates have to sacrifice for the good of the team and the team goals. However, that doesn't mean that Roglic needs to be put into that position again next year (maybe that is the point you are making.) Vingegaard is clearly now the team leader and Roglic will always be sacrificed for Vingegaard if need be. If Roglic wants to be the team leader for the TDF, he needs to leave JV after this season.If you want to win a proper Tour edition you usually need to make some big sacrifices. For JV the sacrificial lamb was Roglič. And i must say that they treated him rather badly. Anyway. That is on why when you stand up there. As winner. You know you had to give up something in order to be there. They won the Tour and they lost Roglič. You can't have it all. That is the nature of this sport. For a while likely they will all pretend. After that time to go separate ways.
P.S. I heard that Pidcock needs a mentor.
I would punch all "he should ride and help, he was fine" idiots in the face. Twice.
From what I understand Yates might return to BEX. Carapaz also leaves to EF. It is kinda striking these guys are leaving Ineos, isn't it?Is this why all the rumors about Adam Yates leaving IG are floating around? It would be a tasty tour, definitely tastier than just JV vs. Pogi. But maybe the UAE oil money will be better spent than last year(s). Hirschi, Soler lol.
Including those two possible "future" teammates from Ineos, Geraint and Rowe who criticised him on their podcast after he left. Roglic would not be very well welcomed at Ineos by their riders, there are lots of big egos there.I would punch all "he should ride and help, he was fine" idiots in the face. Twice.
And little Tommy P, too!From what I understand Yates might return to BEX. Carapaz also leaves to EF. It is kinda striking these guys are leaving Ineos, isn't it?
I think people overestimate the support Ineos would give to Roglic. They are a British-centric team and Pidcock is their golden boy. He and Geraint would never work for Roglic. Reminder that G said he doesn't want to work for anyone anymore, he got to the point where he only wants to ride for himself. Castro didn't look good at all lately, Van Baarle goes to TJV. With Bernal we might actually get a rivalry, he is not gonna sacrifice for Roglic easily. The only guy I would trust is Martinez but I can see Ineos pairing Bernal and Martinez again for Giro and leaving Roglic alone for Tour.
Including those two possible "future" teammates from Ineos, Geraint and Rowe who criticised him on their podcast after he left. Roglic would not be very well welcomed at Ineos by their riders, there are lots of big egos there.
Which episode / what’d they say? Seems like poor formIncluding those two possible "future" teammates from Ineos, Geraint and Rowe who criticised him on their podcast after he left. Roglic would not be very well welcomed at Ineos by their riders, there are lots of big egos there.
Van Aert has no chance for winning GC, at best he can top10, his own trainer said that. He needs to drop a lot of kilos but I don't think he wants that. One of the tactical consultants from Jumbo said that the team should not underestimate Pog and the 1-2 strategy is still the best option. There are lots of bad things that can happen to Jonas from crashes to covid, there should always be a plan B and WvA ain't it, Kruiswijk either. I don't see Jumbo trusting Kelderman for TdF. Jonas won le Tour because they managed to crack him on Granon, without Roglic there is no assurance that happens. UAE next year will probably bring a better team and Pog is gonna ride smarter.Vingegaard has won Le Tour, Van Aert showed GC potential and more, I think that Roglic needs to find HIS team. Ineos? The pieces are there. Geraint showed that he can't compete against Pog and Vingo. Carapaz? He would have been dismantled by the two, fighting for third against his teammate. Bernal? I don't think so. Roglic can.
I've seen on reddit and the commentator from Eurosport mentioned it. Google also found a reference on a Danish site: https://www.feltet.dk/nyheder/thomas_og_rowe_revser_roglics_tour-forladelse/ Since this article is 19 July I'm guessing it's the episode from 18 July.Which episode / what’d they say? Seems like poor form
"The moment you know that Vingegaard is the strongest rider of the race. The race's strongest guy in the yellow jersey. If you're teammates with him, no matter how *** up you are, if you have a broken bone, no matter what, you keep going until you physically can't keep going,” says Rowe, before continuing:
“Even if all you can do from now until Paris is pick up cans once. It's one bottle run that someone else doesn't have to do. You cover an attack. You pull for two kilometers. Anything you can add is beneficial.”
"I totally agree. That's what makes me think, there's got to be more to it. There's probably more to it. I don't know. Because the day before, he split the group up on that climb. He took a violent leadership."