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[Bonimenier]

Since I am speaking for myself and I didn't accuse Evenepoel of cheating

Then why react on that comment in the first place?

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Mate if Roglic doesn't crash we still have the capacity to be salty about the 3km rule we can multitask.

It's not about to multitask but to holding people to standards he clearly doesn't apply himself.

 

[Miha81]

Just to be clear for other readers here, I have no opinion on the cause of Rogla's crash.

But the Evenepoel timely mechanical? lol, I'll let others fight that one out all over the internet. I want no further part in that conversation. I do think his fans might have a very busy evening fighting for his 'honor' though, so good luck to them.

I think rule is the rule. Does anybody know if comissioners check the bike when rule is applied?

 

[Red Rick]

Then why react on that comment in the first place?

You're the one connecting discretely different events.

 

[Bonimenier]

You're the one connecting discretely different events.

Yeah sure

 

[hfer07]

Superficial wounds if my hokey spanish is correct

While the wounds seem superficial, it'd be shock absorbed by the body from the impact on the tarmac that will be felt tomorrow & the next days. I can't quite see him able to fight for the overall, but rather try to hold on to 2nd IF he's able to remain in the race......

 

[Red Rick]

Anyway.

I just watched teh final 4km. Why didn't Jumbo give Roglic a leadout into the climb

 

[steffr222]

I hope he’s fine by tomorrow. Tomorrow should have been the perfect MTF to gain even more time for Roglic. Still he looked really really shocked sitting in the finish, the coming days won’t be easy for him, mentally at least

 

[SHAD0W93]

Anyway.

I just watched teh final 4km. Why didn't Jumbo give Roglic a leadout into the climb

They tried but he wasn’t on their wheel and was far back.

 

[Carols]

I was out and just finished watching a while ago. What a rollercoaster ride!! Brave, Gutsy attack then Disaster. Sometimes its's tough being a Primoz fan

 

[Rackham]

I hope he’s fine by tomorrow. Tomorrow should have been the perfect MTF to gain even more time for Roglic. Still he looked really really shocked sitting in the finish, the coming days won’t be easy for him, mentally at least

Mentally he's the toughest. It's the physical question which is the one & only issue.

Not all injuries are equal, not all high speed crashes are equal either. We'll know more by tomorrow.

 

[Rackham]

And if there's any hint of recurring back pain or whatever other issues related to previous crashes, then a DNS is in order.

 

[Oldermanish]

I think rule is the rule. Does anybody know if comissioners check the bike when rule is applied?

I've suggested DQS' team car should have stayed in place with the bike on the ground awaiting a check. In my mind; if they didn't do that the 3km rule shouldn't apply irrespective of Remco's situation. The officials make that call based on the situation, not heresay. If this wasn't a GC situation no one would care, either. I don't know if any field review was applied and if DQS was sensitive to the possible claims of "fraud" they would have filmed the whole situation to eliminate further issue. There are probably lots of videos available from bystanders as well.

 

[Oldermanish]

Rerunning the crash it looked totally like a gassed Primoz came in too quick to get the draft and took himself out. His wounds look more superficial and bled onto his clothes. This shouldn't be a huge deal if it's not horrible uncomfortable after bandaged. If he nailed his hip or torqued his back that could be much more serious. Here's hoping nothing more than scrapes occur and the battle can continue!

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

I think these many crashes began when he really became world class. It‘s weird. The better he seems to get, the worse his bike handling obviously gets.

It‘s bad luck also, but happens too often to just be bad luck.

David Moncoutie was another very good rider with poor bike handling skills. His solution was to stay at the tail end of the bunch whenever possible. No solution for Primoz, of course.

I mean, of course, Primoz now has been a pro cyclist for ten years, riding his road bike for 100.000s of kms. His bike handling clearly is great, compared to Average Joe. He, however, is a rather bad bike handler compared to most other absolutely world class road racers. Reason could be that he, as Miha described, didn‘t race before 2012. This late start now seems problematic, as far as bike handling is concerned…

 

[Oldermanish]

I think these many crashes began when he really became world class. It‘s weird. The better he seems to get, the worse his bike handling obviously gets.

It‘s bad luck also, but happens too often to just be bad luck.

David Moncoutie was another very good rider with poor bike handling skills. His solution was to stay at the tail end of the bunch whenever possible. No solution for Primoz, of course.

I mean, of course, Primoz now has been a pro cyclist for ten years, riding his road bike for 100.000s of kms. His bike handling clearly is great, compared to Average Joe. He, however, is a rather bad bike handler compared to most other absolutely world class road racers. Reason could be that he, as Miha described, didn‘t race before 2012. This late start now seems problematic, as far as bike handling is concerned…

The amount of effort he put in to get and maintain that gap would make anyone bleary. It happens more than you think, particularly in track races where everyone is tightly packed. He needed to give himself more space and misjudged. I wouldn't place much more emphasis on it than today's shunt.

 

[BR2]

I think these many crashes began when he really became world class. It‘s weird. The better he seems to get, the worse his bike handling obviously gets.

It‘s bad luck also, but happens too often to just be bad luck.

David Moncoutie was another very good rider with poor bike handling skills. His solution was to stay at the tail end of the bunch whenever possible. No solution for Primoz, of course.

I mean, of course, Primoz now has been a pro cyclist for ten years, riding his road bike for 100.000s of kms. His bike handling clearly is great, compared to Average Joe. He, however, is a rather bad bike handler compared to most other absolutely world class road racers. Reason could be that he, as Miha described, didn‘t race before 2012. This late start now seems problematic, as far as bike handling is concerned…

Maybe there's also some truth in what people in the peloton have said, that he and other JV riders overestimate themselves. Maybe he's not a bad bike handler per se, but takes risks he better shouldn't take, gets too close to other riders, takes corners on descents too tight... such things?

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

And if there's any hint of recurring back pain or whatever other issues related to previous crashes, then a DNS is in order.

Exactly… And that‘s well possible.

And now they speak of superficial wounds. Possibly on Thursday he will DNS. And in two weeks they‘ll speak of a new fracture, then?…

One cannot beat bad luck, but maybe they should add something to his winter preparation for 2023. Something that helps him to improve his level of bike handling. He‘s open minded and versatile, so why not use the winter to focus on his one and only real weakness?

 

[Oldermanish]

Maybe there's also some truth in what people in the peloton have said, that he and other JV riders overestimate themselves. Maybe he's not a bad bike handler per se, but takes risks he better shouldn't take, gets too close to other riders, takes corners on descents too tight... such things?

This wasn't a "risk" circumstance. He made a clear misjudgement trying to stay on the last wheel to maintain his lead group status. It happens.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Maybe there's also some truth in what people in the peloton have said, that he and other JV riders overestimate themselves. Maybe he's not a bad bike handler per se, but takes risks he better shouldn't take, gets too close to other riders, takes corners on descents too tight... such things?

Yes, much like his predecessor in attacking verve, absolute confidence, drive to win, disregard for the second place, and Vuelta glory (I am speaking of course of the legendary Alberto Contador), that same attitude can cause certain issues, recurring crashes being one of them.

 

[yaco]

Anyway.

I just watched teh final 4km. Why didn't Jumbo give Roglic a leadout into the climb

I posted in the stage thread that if Roglic was better positioned at the start of the final cimb he would have won the stage solo.

 

[Extinction]

I've suggested DQS' team car should have stayed in place with the bike on the ground awaiting a check. In my mind; if they didn't do that the 3km rule shouldn't apply irrespective of Remco's situation. The officials make that call based on the situation, not heresay. If this wasn't a GC situation no one would care, either. I don't know if any field review was applied and if DQS was sensitive to the possible claims of "fraud" they would have filmed the whole situation to eliminate further issue. There are probably lots of videos available from bystanders as well.

But how could Remco have gambled his Vuelta on a ruse? Think about it nobody knew if the inside 3k rule would have applied, if not he would have lost a helluva lot more time. Thus it simply makes no sense.

 

[Red Rick]

Jumbo twitter says they'll decide if he starts tomorrow morning.

 

[Oldermanish]

But how could Remco have gambled his Vuelta on a ruse? Think about it nobody knew if the inside 3k rule would have applied, if not he would have lost a helluva lot more time. Thus it simply makes no sense.

Your sentence may lose something in translation but I don't think Remco or any GC guy would cheat and didn't suggest he did. But if the officials confirm they were not shown the bike in original condition they could judge that the 3km would not apply. If his team and mechanics don't understand that then the fault would be with them. Rules iz rules.

 

[Oldermanish]

I posted in the stage thread that if Roglic was better positioned at the start of the final cimb he would have won the stage solo.

He was riding some sketchy inside lines several km from his launch point and almost ate the barriers. It's always a school of angry fish and maintaining an ideal position, particularly without a leadout is easier said than done.
If Remco had been better positioned in the field he wouldn't have a flat and have to listen to second guessing.