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Skijumper Roglic fan

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I calculated Primoz hasn‘t raced for ca seven months the moment he starts his 2023 season - at Catalunya, end of March.

Don‘t know if that is good… In fact, he isn‘t the best bike handler, and then hasn‘t ridden in a tight, nervous, fast peloton for seven months.

Worst case: stage 1 or 2 of Volta Catalunya 2023, and he DNF, due to crashing out. What then? Focus on Vuelta Espana in autumn?

I don‘t want to be too pessimistic however. And I see the break was necessary with regards to the shoulder issue.

So fingers crossed all goes well this year. Still waiting for another five weeks until his first race day of 2023. But, I get a lot calmer and happier when I see he could even ride three Grand Tours in 2023: Giro (DNF), TdF (DNF), Vuelta (1st in final GC)… :)
 
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Oldermanish

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Skijumper Roglic fan said:
I calculated Primoz hasn‘t raced for ca seven months the moment he starts his 2023 season - at Catalunya, end of March.

Don‘t know if that is good… In fact, he isn‘t the best bike handler, and then hasn‘t ridden in a tight, nervous, fast peloton for seven months.

Worst case: stage 1 or 2 of Volta Catalunya 2023, and he DNF, due to crashing out. What then? Focus on Vuelta Espana in autumn?

I don‘t want to be too pessimistic however. And I see the break was necessary with regards to the shoulder issue.

So fingers crossed all goes well this year. Still waiting for another five weeks until his first race day of 2023. But, I get a lot calmer and happier when I see he could even ride three Grand Tours in 2023: Giro (DNF), TdF (DNF), Vuelta (1st in final GC)… :)
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He may want training away from racing because he's still healing up. I thought the Giro would be too early after his Vuelta injuries.
 
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Skijumper Roglic fan said:
I calculated Primoz hasn‘t raced for ca seven months the moment he starts his 2023 season - at Catalunya, end of March.

Don‘t know if that is good… In fact, he isn‘t the best bike handler, and then hasn‘t ridden in a tight, nervous, fast peloton for seven months.

Worst case: stage 1 or 2 of Volta Catalunya 2023, and he DNF, due to crashing out. What then? Focus on Vuelta Espana in autumn?

I don‘t want to be too pessimistic however. And I see the break was necessary with regards to the shoulder issue.

So fingers crossed all goes well this year. Still waiting for another five weeks until his first race day of 2023. But, I get a lot calmer and happier when I see he could even ride three Grand Tours in 2023: Giro (DNF), TdF (DNF), Vuelta (1st in final GC)… :)
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I think you're a bit liberal with the word "calculated"...
 
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Catalunya is indeed very little racing before the Giro.

I don't quite believe Roglic isn't fit to race in February. But Jumbo really doesn't race their big leaders in February stage races. And they really seem to prefer their big chunks of altitude prep before the big goals.

Still I'm a bit surprised, as I could see Tirreno + Catalunya still being good, but maybe they don't believe Rog will be ready to win by Tirreno. And if there's anything Jumbo don't do a lot, it's using races for training.

Biggest disappointment in scheduling is honestly Fleche + LBL
 
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ice&fire

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Red Rick said:
Catalunya is indeed very little racing before the Giro.

I don't quite believe Roglic isn't fit to race in February. But Jumbo really doesn't race their big leaders in February stage races. And they really seem to prefer their big chunks of altitude prep before the big goals.

Still I'm a bit surprised, as I could see Tirreno + Catalunya still being good, but maybe they don't believe Rog will be ready to win by Tirreno. And if there's anything Jumbo don't do a lot, it's using races for training.

Biggest disappointment in scheduling is honestly Fleche + LBL
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Vingegaard is expected in a stage race next week:

Startlist for O Gran Camiño 2023

Competing teams and riders for O Gran Camiño 2023. Top competitors are , and .
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Looking at he field they could have brought Roglic here and sent Jonas somewhere else and Roglic would still win it with one leg.
 
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ice&fire said:
Vingegaard is expected in a stage race next week:

Startlist for O Gran Camiño 2023

Competing teams and riders for O Gran Camiño 2023. Top competitors are , and .
www.procyclingstats.com www.procyclingstats.com

Looking at he field they could have brought Roglic here and sent Jonas somewhere else and Roglic would still win it with one leg.
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It's late February, and it's one of the shorter ones. It basically takes the slot of those 2 French 1.1 races Rog and Vingo did last year.
 
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Skijumper Roglic fan said:
I calculated Primoz hasn‘t raced for ca seven months the moment he starts his 2023 season - at Catalunya, end of March.

Don‘t know if that is good… In fact, he isn‘t the best bike handler, and then hasn‘t ridden in a tight, nervous, fast peloton for seven months.

Worst case: stage 1 or 2 of Volta Catalunya 2023, and he DNF, due to crashing out. What then? Focus on Vuelta Espana in autumn?

I don‘t want to be too pessimistic however. And I see the break was necessary with regards to the shoulder issue.

So fingers crossed all goes well this year. Still waiting for another five weeks until his first race day of 2023. But, I get a lot calmer and happier when I see he could even ride three Grand Tours in 2023: Giro (DNF), TdF (DNF), Vuelta (1st in final GC)… :)
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He just need to be out of trouble until the giro, and don't crash in may.

He will be fine. He doesn't need much races to be in good shape. He will be in top shape at the giro.
 
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CyclistAbi

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Considering the shoulder operation and the time needed to be off the bike. It would be pushing it a bit. To target racing in February. As we are not talking about 7 months but much less then that. Considering the current schedule. That already comes down to two full months of serious racing. Some entries probably to be added in the future. As for racing more in between Catalunya and Giro. Who knows. Likely such things will get decided after Catalunya. If that makes sense or not.
 
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For Rogla, I think it's sensible and maybe even optimal to only race Catalunya before the Giro. It's the totally opposite approach of 2019, and for most of what the spring has to offer, he can say "been there, done that". Throughout the past four years, he has shown that he is ready from day 1 after a training block, and when injury-free he is always competitive.

Given his injury in the spring last year, how his season ended, and the untold number of sore crashes of the past three years, I also think it's the approach that best allows him to fully recover and to monitor any problems in the run-up, especially in case of a knee injury like last spring.

I'm also sure that he not only will be competitive in another GT this year (even the Tour, if he goes there), but also WC in August and the Italian fall classics.

Of course, first our dear Rominger has an appointment with destiny at the Giro. He will lead the race from start to finish and firmly place himself as the best stage racer ever to not have won the Tour.
 
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Netserk said:
For Rogla, I think it's sensible and maybe even optimal to only race Catalunya before the Giro. It's the totally opposite approach of 2019, and for most of what the spring has to offer, he can say "been there, done that". Throughout the past four years, he has shown that he is ready from day 1 after a training block, and when injury-free he is always competitive.

Given his injury in the spring last year, how his season ended, and the untold number of sore crashes of the past three years, I also think it's the approach that best allows him to fully recover and to monitor any problems in the run-up, especially in case of a knee injury like last spring.

I'm also sure that he not only will be competitive in another GT this year (even the Tour, if he goes there), but also WC in August and the Italian fall classics.

Of course, first our dear Rominger has an appointment with destiny at the Giro. He will lead the race from start to finish and firmly place himself as the best stage racer ever to not have won the Tour.
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I am pretty sure he will do Giro-Tour double, and this light program before the Giro is one indicator of that. There was also interview in Slovenian media today where he himself kept the door open for the Tour (as in everything depends of his condition after the Giro). He has shown in 2020, he can do two full GT back-to-back and be in the fight for the win in GC. In the Tour, Jonas would be the main leader and Roglic would present a second option in case of misfortune for Jonas and also tactical possibilities within the race. Roglic's incentive to be at the Tour, even thou his chances with Giro in the legs against Pogacar and Jonas are very slim, is his first hand experience in the last two years (DNF). Anything can happen as shown in the 2014 Tour with both Froome and Contador crashing out.
 
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CyclistAbi

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Mentioned article:

www.rtvslo.si

"Zdaj res razmišljam samo o Giru, kaj bo sledilo temu, bomo videli po koncu"

S priprav na gori Teide na Tenerifu se je javil Primož Roglič, ki je potrdil, da normalno in dobro trenira. "Pred samim Girom bo res moja edina dirka Po Kataloniji," je Rogla potrdil uvodni tekmovalni program, pri čemer pa pušča odprta vrata za Tour.
www.rtvslo.si www.rtvslo.si

@Eeslliw

"Pretty sure". I don't know about that. We'll see.

P.S. As for racing in between Catalunya and Giro. It's now hence rather official that it won't happen.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
As for a question about Pogi and his season so far. There is definitely some banter ongoing there. Rogla said i am watching and is Pogi the only one competing? So Rogla indeed might be feeling an urge. To scratch an itch.
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Primoz should do the double: win the Giro in warm-up form and peak for the Tour reducing the Fisherman to a domestique role and delivering the biggest Slovenian duel in cycling history.
 
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Eeslliw said:
I am pretty sure he will do Giro-Tour double, and this light program before the Giro is one indicator of that. There was also interview in Slovenian media today where he himself kept the door open for the Tour (as in everything depends of his condition after the Giro). He has shown in 2020, he can do two full GT back-to-back and be in the fight for the win in GC. In the Tour, Jonas would be the main leader and Roglic would present a second option in case of misfortune for Jonas and also tactical possibilities within the race. Roglic's incentive to be at the Tour, even thou his chances with Giro in the legs against Pogacar and Jonas are very slim, is his first hand experience of the Tour in the last two years (DNF). Anything can happen as shown in the 2014 Tour with both Froome and Contador crashing out.
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I'm 99% sure he won't go to the Tour if he wins Giro. If not, everything is possible... but he won't go there just to be a domestique.
 
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CyclistAbi

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It would be easy to get carried away. By following some basic rules of engagement and for things to escalate quickly.

  • Pogi announces i am doing PN instead of UAE.
  • Rogla hints at doing Tour after the Giro campaign.
  • Pogi announces he is doing Giro.
  • Both doing the Vuelta.
  • ...

Easy there tigers. Uncock your guns and holster them. There will be a time and place for that. This is not it. At best you can shoot yourself in the foot.

Lets first see on how Catalunya, PN and UAE will go.
 
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