Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[SHAD0W93]

It's still ***. Doesn't matter how you try to wrap it.

Yes it is distasteful ignoring the rest of his body of work and focusing on a specific racing strategy.

 

[Netserk]

It helps to define. And is not the way he rides who make him a all time great. He is a mountain sprinter 99% of times. But we agree to disagree.
That's the beauty of different people. We don't have all the same opinion

Vinokourov is maybe even more of a legend than Bettini. That's not to belittle the latter, but to highlight the former.

Vino had great charisma and will be remembered for a long time. As a legend.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Pantani is arguably one of the most charismatic riders of the past 30 years. A true legend that was catapulted into stardom due to the circumstances surrounding his tragic and early death. And yet there are currently several riders with a better palmares that are not legends no matter how much they will win.

Being legendary is not about PCS or UCI points. It's about a style, a pathos. One sees how life and cycling are united in every attack or every crash. It's not only a job for them. And this is what draws fans into cycling.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Primoz winning the Giro would be a great story for the team also… Rabobank/Jumbo were always the team who did not care too much about the Giro. And then Horrillo‘s crash came, and the Giro seemed cursed for this team. Now Primoz could make a success story out of it.

 

[Lequack]

Don't forget Kruijswik crash in the Giro, which he had almost won already.

 

[Extinction]

Vinokourov is maybe even more of a legend than Bettini. That's not to belittle the latter, but to highlight the former.

Vino had great charisma and will be remembered for a long time. As a legend.

Sorry, not for me, Bettini's Worlds, Olympics, Lombardia titles will go down as far more memorable.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Sorry, not for me, Bettini's Worlds, Olympics, Lombardia titles will go down as far more memorable.

2x World Champion, 2x Lombardia, 2x Liege, Olympic Champion, 1x Milano Sanremo .

Meanwhile Vinkourov has one Liege, one Olympic and one vuelta, and is most famous for buying races . Not doubt bettini is more of a legend

 

[tobydawq]

2x World Champion, 2x Lombardia, 2x Liege, Olympic Champion, 1x Milano Sanremo .

Meanwhile Vinkourov has one Liege, one Olympic and one vuelta, and is most famous for buying races . Not doubt bettini is more of a legend

2 Lièges but yeah.

 

[Red Rick]

With Vino I kinda wonder how much of his legend is because he became a polling meme specifically on CN. I don't know he's talked about that much these days aside from being the Astana boss.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Vinokourov is maybe even more of a legend than Bettini. That's not to belittle the latter, but to highlight the former.

Vino had great charisma and will be remembered for a long time. As a legend.

Exactly. Vino is a legend mainly because he was so charismatic off and ON the bike. Roglic is a negative rider even if I love his personallity. But this is just my opinion from what I have seen and I think I will never think the other way, Roglic has a great team that normally put a ferocious pace until 500 m/1 km and wait for Roglic to launch his sprint.

 

[Peyroteo94]

2x World Champion, 2x Lombardia, 2x Liege, Olympic Champion, 1x Milano Sanremo .

Meanwhile Vinkourov has one Liege, one Olympic and one vuelta, and is most famous for buying races . Not doubt bettini is more of a legend

I think Bettini is more of a legend too. There isn't many classicomanos better than him in this century. Probably no one.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Vino was a very enigmatic character. I'm not sure if legend is the right word, but his career was kind of as interesting as anyone else's, if not as successful as some.

He was competitive in one day, one week, and three week racing.

Came from a fairly obscure country.

Raced for controversial teams (Telekom, Astana).

Drama and sub-plots seemed to follow him around constantly. Whether it was him suddenly threatening to dethrone Armstrong at the Tour in 2003 having only made a bit of a name for himself in one week races in seasons prior, or redeeming his 2005 race with victory on the Champs, or redeeming his 2006 OP effected season with victory in the Vuelta (in typical Vino style the turning point came with an unexpected attack on a descent).

Then there was the ban, the comeback, the buying of a monument, and the storied ending to probably beat all endings. Heck, the man even rode enthusiastically in support of Contador in the 2010 Tour.

Vino could climb, he could time trial, and he could explode out of the peloton at any moment. Sometimes this was out the back, not always the front. His best was very good, but he could crack in a major way....all in which made him highly unpredictable.

He was very much the opposite of Team Sky, but not necessarily a good guy.

 

[Netserk]

I think Bettini is more of a legend too. There isn't many classicomanos better than him in this century. Probably no one.

I consider Bettini on par with Gilbert. I could just as well have compared Vino to Phil, my point was not about Bettini, but the killer of all killers, Vino. He is of course an infamous character, but more than results or strength, the man has mythos. In that regard, only Pantani is above him in my lifetime.

 

[Red Rick]

Bettini on par with Gilbert is a massive stretch IMO

 

[Ilmaestro99]

2 Lièges but yeah.

If 2010 liege counts then saitama criterium counts as a pro win

 

[Peyroteo94]

I consider Bettini on par with Gilbert. I could just as well have compared Vino to Phil, my point was not about Bettini, but the killer of all killers, Vino. He is of course an infamous character, but more than results or strength, the man has mythos. In that regard, only Pantani is above him in my lifetime.

You forget Lance. The man who became bigger than cycling and completly changed the popularity of the sport.

 

[Netserk]

You forget Lance. The man who became bigger than cycling and completly changed the popularity of the sport.

Yes, but it's hard to separate from his stellar record (when he retired in 2005). Compared to palmarès, I think both Pantani and Vino have greater mythos than their results would justify on their own. In that sense, Armstrong's legacy is not that much greater than his results.

 

[Rackham]

Lance is undoubtedly the biggest of the last 30 years, no doubt in my mind. He transcends the sport & is equally a hero, villain & victim all at once. Ironically his downfall made him even bigger. Champions come & go, whilst characters like LA are a once-in-a-lifetime event.

It's just impossible to top the cancer survivor 7 time TdF winner helping real life cancer sufferers... whilst going full EPO mobster boss in the peloton. Epic legendary stuff.

 

[Elos Anjos]

I tend to think of the events surrounding LA as propoer to a yankee niche. Outrageous, made for the cameras, cowboy from Texas sort of thing. For me he's not legendary. He's a buffoon and a fraud.

 

[topcat]

Bettini on par with Gilbert is a massive stretch IMO

Yes. Take out Phil's 2011 season and they'd be even.

 

[Red Rick]

Yes. Take out Phil's 2011 season and they'd be even.

Thanks now I can't do a training ride today because my bum already hurts too much

 

[topcat]

Thanks now I can't do a training ride today because my bum already hurts too much

It's a close one. Bettini has it though for me.

 

[tobydawq]

If 2010 liege counts then saitama criterium counts as a pro win

Lol. Then you could say the same for his Olympic gold.

 

[Rackham]

Guys, can't we just have our Rogla versus Evenepoel comparisons? I might have poured cold water on the debate yesterday but it's at least better than Bettini versus Vino versus Gilbert stuff.

For example here's what Fausto Masnada had to say about Roglič in a recent interview, i.e. after seeing him in Tenerife before he left with Jumbo for Tirreno: Masnada dal Teide: «Prima gli allenamenti, poi le gare in tv» - bici.PRO

Tra voi corridori spesso parlate di materiali, numeri, tattiche… Che giudizi avete dato dei vostri colleghi in gara?

Roglic, come detto, va già forte. Quando l’ho visto sul Teide era più magro rispetto allo scorso anno e mi sono detto: «Cavolo, è già tirato!». Sì, lui è sempre stato scavato in volto, ma mi è sembrato molto magro anche nel resto del corpo. Cosa che invece non ho notato in Van Aert. Non che fosse grasso, ma è molto più… normale.

Rough translation: Roglic is thinner than last year & in great shape already, whilst Wout is apparently fat (not really, just more 'normal' sized compared to Rog).

 

[tobydawq]

Guys, can't we just have our Rogla versus Evenepoel comparisons? I might have poured cold water on the debate yesterday but it's at least better than Bettini versus Vino versus Gilbert stuff.

For example here's what Fausto Masnada had to say about Roglič in a recent interview, i.e. after seeing him in Tenerife before he left with Jumbo for Tirreno: Masnada dal Teide: «Prima gli allenamenti, poi le gare in tv» - bici.PRO



Rough translation: Roglic is thinner than last year & in great shape already, whilst Wout is apparently fat (not really, just more 'normal' sized compared to Rog).

Wout fat Aert?