Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[CyclistAbi]

Rogla is extremely fit. And on stage 1 he in my opinion did a rather good result on such route. Normally he would be around 20s behind Remco. But it looks like Remco exaggerated a bit. Likely he is not all that confident about week 3. Hence he will give all he has for the first two TTs. Still Remco is now ahead, by a rather large margin, and Rogla will need to tackle it eventually. Stage 9 should be another good benchmark. Now we all expect for Remco to be around 2 minutes ahead. After the stage 9. But who knows what will really happens. We'll see.

 

[KZD]

So Evenepoel and Almeida watching each other and Roglič doing a Carapaz. Considering how far back Roglič is. Nobody will pay special attention to him anyway.

Remco will never allow that freedom to Roglič especially after Catalonia and neither will Almeida.

Roglič is a three time Vuelta winner so of course he won't be treated in the same manner of a rider that wasn't even the main leader of his team back in 2019.

 

[CyclistAbi]

At Vuelta PL said go easy on the guy. And Rogla did just that. At Giro Remco fans are saying please just don't wheelsuck. And Rogla will oblige.

 

[Andy schleck]

Same time as Küng on a flat TT with a 1k bump? Smells like a solid but not superb TT, 21s behind the unbeatable Ganna.

Weak argument. Losing time to hart and almeida? Not normal. He is a better TT than these two.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Weak argument. Losing time to hart and almeida? Not normal. He is a better TT than these two.

Weak argument. You don't see all three UAE riders performing much better than expected? Clearly their new setup is working for them and they have been working on TT. It is Almeida and Hart who over performed here. Not the other way around, and you can use riders as Ganna and Küng, two specialists made for flat TT's, as the benchmark, as this was a major goal for them and they are two of the most constant performers in TT's, unlike GC riders who peak for major GC races.

 

[theyoungest]

This wasn't an exceptionally bad TT for Roglic, but it also wasn't a really good one. I don't know what it is but with him you can just see it if he's not on a great day, and from the first shot we got to see of him I could see it.

 

[red_flanders]

Weak argument. You don't see all three UAE riders performing much better than expected? Clearly their new setup is working for them and they have been working on TT. It is Almeida and Hart who over performed here. Not the other way around, and you can use riders as Ganna and Küng, two specialists made for flat TT's, as the benchmark, as this was a major goal for them and they are two of the most constant performers in TT's, unlike GC riders who peak for major GC races.

Two things can be true at the same time. TGH and UAE performed above expectations and Roglič underperformed a bit.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Two things can be true at the same time. TGH and UAE performed above expectations and Roglič underperformed a bit.

Both can be true. And i already said this wasn't a great ride by him. But it was also not a bad ride. If you finish in the same time as Küng and just 22s behind Ganna on this course, you didn't do a bad TT.

 

[IndurainsTdF1994]

Someone was posting his results from 2019 Giro. Do we have any info about W/kg from then and now? Or his W/kg from more recent (short) TTs? Just to get a feel, obviously many things have changed since then (age, the stage in which the TT was run, etc, etc).

 

[Netserk]

Someone was posting his results from 2019 Giro. Do we have any info about W/kg from then and now? Or his W/kg from more recent (short) TTs? Just to get a feel, obviously many things have changed since then (age, the stage in which the TT was run, etc, etc).

He, like the peloton at large, is faster now.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I'm afraid his bike is now slower, compared to his rivals.

 

[Oldermanish]

Watching the first highlights of the Stage 2, pre-sprint crash it looks like 3 JV guys just missing a nasty crash. Was Roglic the last guy in that line?

 

[Gargamel35]

Watching the first highlights of the Stage 2, pre-sprint crash it looks like 3 JV guys just missing a nasty crash. Was Roglic the last guy in that line?

Yep.

 

[Rackham]

Watching the first highlights of the Stage 2, pre-sprint crash it looks like 3 JV guys just missing a nasty crash. Was Roglic the last guy in that line?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655247589879455750

View: https://twitter.com/procyclinglover/status/1655247589879455750


It happened right on Rog's tail.

The same thing happened at the Vuelta 2021 as well in one of the first stages (a crash behind with a wayward bike almost clipping Rog's back wheel, I seem to remember).

 

[Valv.Piti]

Holy, Remco and Roglic might as well have crashed. He literally rode up in his back wheel.

Stupid, stupid, stupid flat first stages. Can't imagine how nervous you must be sitting in there.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Wow, Primoz dodged a bullet (this time)

 

[Riek s]

Holy, Remco and Roglic might as well have crashed. He literally rode up in his back wheel.

Stupid, stupid, stupid flat first stages. Can't imagine how nervous you must be sitting in there.

Indeed. Both of them are very lucky this didn't ended badly for them.

(in which case Grooves would have gotten two groups of fanboys on him)

 

[zlev11]

he looked really skinny on the closeup shot they showed today. i think he's gonna climb better than ever.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Good team work today. Preventing for Rogla to be involved in a crash. Tomorrow maybe one step further. Proper leadout by the big boys and Rogla contesting the sprint. Ideally to bring the time gap down to 33. His age.

 

[Rackham]

Indeed. Both of them are very lucky this didn't ended badly for them.

(in which case Grooves would have gotten two groups of fanboys on him)

I'm totally biased on this topic but I'm absolutely fine with Evenepoel criticizing Groves.

It's a sensitive topic for some (literally this thread still has embers burning from 'the' incident last September) but I've long held the opinion sprinters & sprinter teams need to GTFO when GC favorites are in their way. Aka just be careful, i.e. that should be the mantra. Until the UCI does something to ensure the final km's aren't an insta kill against GC riders in the event of a crash, context matters. That's because despite the fact everyone can go for the stage (& many people will take issue with GC riders even being at the front), these guys like Groves need to pay attention to 'who' they're riding past.

Because in the scheme of things, GC is way, way more important in a GT than anyone's (especially a sprinter) stage aspirations. It's just the way it is. And that context matters way more than the minutiae of the incident regarding who moved over, deviated or is technically at fault.

 

[CyclistAbi]

In current system yes. But the current system is flawed. In normal system there would be no real initiative for GC guys to be there. On how to get to there. Good question.

 

[Riek s]

I'm totally biased on this topic but I'm absolutely fine with Evenepoel criticizing Groves.

It's a sensitive topic for some (literally this thread still has embers burning from 'the' incident last September) but I've long held the opinion sprinters & sprinter teams need to GTFO when GC favorites are in their way. Aka just be careful, i.e. that should be the mantra. Until the UCI does something to ensure the final km's aren't an insta kill against GC riders in the event of a crash, context matters. That's because despite the fact everyone can go for the stage (& many people will take issue with GC riders even being at the front), these guys like Groves need to pay attention to 'who' they're riding past.

Because in the scheme of things, GC is way, way more important in a GT than anyone's (especially a sprinter) stage aspirations. It's just the way it is. And that context matters way more than the minutiae of the incident regarding who moved over, deviated or is technically at fault.

Oh no, i'm totally fine with it as well, seeing the images. (Also not really unbiased )

And i was indeed referring to the other incident where that rider was also called names. Hence my remark that Groves would have 2 groups over him (instead of 1). (Rightfully or not)

When we talk about the 3K rule maybe they should increase it a bit more? Since 3k is already part of the positionning which now also includes the GC teams. Maybe 5K out would be better for most of the sprinter stages. (When the GC rider wants to participate in the sprint its another matter)

 

[Netserk]

The more you extend it, the more can be gained by gaming it, like Wiggins and Froome did in Boulogne-sur-Mer or Remco did in the Vuelta last year.

 

[how yes no?]

Watching the first highlights of the Stage 2, pre-sprint crash it looks like 3 JV guys just missing a nasty crash. Was Roglic the last guy in that line?

No, he was in the middle of the jumbo train. (he's low profile on the drops)

Spoiler: image

 

[Oldermanish]

Thanks for the view. That was a close call for he and Remco.