At the moment the only way he wins the tour is if Jonas isn't there or crashes in the first week, so I suppose being on his team is as good a place as any - as it is the very best team to have 😅
Still has to deal with Pogacar
Still has to deal with Pogacar
First step would be actually starting the Tour. That increases his odds of winning it very significantly.
Are Jumbo really standing in the way of that or did he just really want to win the Giro this year?
Or would Roglic fear that between Wout and Jonas he wouldn’t get the help he needs to stay safe and out of the wind on the flat stages?
I mean for the mountains he needs to stay with Jonas( for as long as possible) and either beat him in the sprints or TTs.
Mostly I think Horner is either trying to stir a bit of *** and connect some dots, that doesn’t necessarily connect; in order to get attention and stay relevant. Or it’s that Horner himself has been on teams where more than one leader did not work very well and so he reckons it never works very well. Maybe a bit of both.
First step would be actually starting the Tour. That increases his odds of winning it very significantly.
Are Jumbo really standing in the way of that or did he just really want to win the Giro this year, do we know anything on that?
Or would Roglic fear that between Wout and Jonas he wouldn’t get the help he needs to stay safe and out of the wind on the flat stages?
I mean for the mountains he needs to stay with Jonas( for as long as possible) and either beat him in the sprints or TTs.
Mostly I think Horner is trying to stir a bit of *** and connect some dots, that doesn’t necessarily connect. Horner himself has been on teams where more than one leader did not work very well and so he reckons it never works very well.
- Aug 13, 2011
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Biggest fiasco was going with 4 leaders at 2011 Tour and them all crashing 1 by 1, then they couldn’t even protect their sole leader.
- Oct 5, 2009
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Read title as "Evenepoel needs a little bit of Roglstomp in his life".
Can't wait for this.
Can't wait for this.
indeed. that wasn't pretty, that was also a dream team they lined up with, if it was 2006.
- Jul 16, 2015
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I think Primož Roglič is going to win the Vuelta 2023.
This prediction is born out of a couple of considerations (which I've been mulling over since Sunday):
A - I want it to happen, therefor it will happen.
B - the Vuelta isn't the Tour de France & vice versa, which means Rogla is a completely different animal in Spain. Then there's the fact the roads & climbs suit him as well. And when everything seems lost, Movistar are always there to lend a hand because they're also Roglstomp fans themselves.
And finally, Roglič is a lot like Pogačar is one very simple aspect: he's explosive. He shares some of Pog's strengths but also weaknesses as well, namely he really doesn't like a suffocating pace over successive hard climbs. I don't see any collective in the Vuelta capable of doing what Jumbo's Tour collective achieves in July in France, so this will automatically increase Rog's chances versus Vingegaard (a bit like in the 2022 Dauphiné).
Explosive climbs + Vingegaard taking care of Evenepoel + typical Vuelta for Rog = win.
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I'm with you and hope it works out for Roglic and Jonas. As I mentioned way upthread: winning the Giro and the Vuelta in one year would give him the base to contest the Tour in '24 with no qualifications.
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I just hope everyone has good form & we can see a great fight because 'on paper' the Vuelta is probably the most exciting (for neutral fans anyway) it has been in a long time.
I also read that Dylan van Baarle is going to the Vuelta as well. So Jumbo is looking strong.
I wouldn't use Dauphiné 2022 as the benchmark, there Vingegaard clearly held back for Roglic. There's no point to do so now they're on equal footing. If he's really on a good day on Tourmalet or Angliru, he'll just go for it.
It's interesting that Van Baarle now also goes. With Kelderman, Kuss... is this just an experiment to bring their entire Tour team and see how they handle two successive GTs? (or three, in the case of Kuss)
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Van Baarle has done the Tour and Vuelta the past three seasons. Riders doing two grand tours is really nothing ground breaking. Kuss doing three is the only selection that goes against the norm.
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Nomatter what I think under all circumstances it's difficult to make a comparison Vingecaard - Roglic based on their previous stage race collaborations. Both have evolved, Roglic with previous setback in the meantime, and very nice comeback with a Giro win. Vingegaard's one-eyed TdF focus all year, I think it's difficult to say how much left in the tank - this after a Tour as he has wished - TJV riding it very hard in order for 3rd week fatique to become really prominent. I think this tactic is like a whole matchbox burnt.
Ever since Roglic's LPDBF nightmare, so close taking the greatest stage race of them all, I had hoped he was coming back to Le Tour this year, stronger than ever and Vingegaard and Roglic could have switched roles (OK in my best dreams).
But very much looking forward to this Vuelta - seems like a must see with so many celebrety attendances on the start list already now. I just hope for not another Angliru '20 situation whith Vingegaard snorting away from Roglic without realizing it in the first place.
Yes, I'm Danish. Yes, I'm a Pogi fan.
But I want a Roglic 2023 GT double badly.
As plastres on wounds of LPDBF and not attending Le Tour '23.
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- Feb 20, 2012
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What's the last time Roglic didn't crash during or prior to a GT and had ideal prep? 2017 Tour?
I do think we haven't seen how good Rog was going into the 2021/2022 Tours
I do think we haven't seen how good Rog was going into the 2021/2022 Tours
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You seem to be kidding, but I seriously think you're 100% right as well.At the moment the only way he wins the tour is if Jonas isn't there or crashes in the first week, so I suppose being on his team is as good a place as any - as it is the very best team to have 😅
Still has to deal with Pogacar
I'm not saying they invented the concept of doing two GTs...
Never. He is such a nice guy to always find a way to level the playing field.
Absolutely. I don’t think he has as great going into 2022 though, before the Tour crashes. IIRC he was struggling all year with injuries. I really hope we see him at full force with no crashes. I could see him anywhere from basically where he was last year, as in no better with perfect prep, to a significant level up on everyone. Hoping for the latter, prepared for the former.
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Vuelta 2019. He did crash during the race on stage 8 I think but it wouldn’t have affected him probably…
I agree with you regarding 2021/2022. Especially in 2021 I had a feeling he was very strong and could pose problems to Pog. Last year not so much. This year I think he is better than 2022 and is still on the upward trajectory. If all stars align he could reach 2021 levels in which case it would certainly be interesting between him and Jonas…
- Feb 20, 2012
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Didn't the entire team go down in the TTT in 2019?
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I seem to remember that was the infamous "kiddie pool emptying" scandal.
- Jun 30, 2022
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Yes, Roglič crashed in the TTT, just like UAE and their leader Fabio Aru. He also fell in a big crash when the race was practically already decided on Stage 19 when Tony Martin crashed out and Movistar subsequently pushed the pace.
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Oops😁 that seems to have been lost in the depths of my subconsciousness…
It looks like there are no guarantees this year. Vuelta team selection will be hard and some will likely be left disappointed. We'll see what the final team selection will look like. You likely will need to be in top form to be even considered.
P.S. Compared to Slovenian national team selection. Where it's currently the reverse of what i just wrote.
P.S. Compared to Slovenian national team selection. Where it's currently the reverse of what i just wrote.
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It doesn't matter what will happen in this vuelta. Vingegaard will be the leader of the team for tour 2024 and roglic has no business on that situation. Roglic cannot demand anything in terms of tour de france leadership when Vingegaard won the last 2 tours de france. If he wants to go to the tour next year, he needs to know his place, and that's work for vingegaard. Of course he will be protected but his role will be similar to adam yates. I know this statement is not popular for roglic fans, but it is what it is. Roglic can’t produce the perfomances that vingegaard can in a GT, even pogacar can’t.
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