What interview are you talking about? Do you have a link?
I've only seen one where he says he's the first one who'd like to see Kuss take it... he may have been dishonest, but certainly not despicable?
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I've only seen one where he says he's the first one who'd like to see Kuss take it... he may have been dishonest, but certainly not despicable?
Despicable? Really? I guess if it's not Evenepoel you're allowed to say whatever you want about the guy.
From all the interviews I’ve seen Roglic do over the last few days, it’s very obvious what it’s all about. He doesn’t mind Sepp winning but won’t let Vinge win or overtake him due to team orders. That’s it… That’s why yesterdays interview after the stage was so incoherent. Wanting Sepp to win but still going full gas? He wanted to hunt down Jonas and get his spot back. He just can’t say that out loud…
And it’s incredible to me that professionals like Adam Blythe can’t figure it out.
And it’s incredible to me that professionals like Adam Blythe can’t figure it out.
Sure, there's the possibility of them just doing separate one week stage races (PN/TA, Vasco/Catalunya, Suisse/Dauphine) and facing Pog in a much more 'fair' and clean race than this one has been where they can actually use each other. But still, I really just don't think they like each other that much anymore at all and I can't blame either of them.
Ok but do you think they’ll take him? With this fiasco, I don’t think management would be willing to take the risk…
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Adam Blythe is there because he is a mediocre average guy and so he therefore echos what newcomers to the sport and other numbed and nation biased cycling fans think of the situation. With him there's no subtleties or intrincacies.
This is not the Tour. At the Tour you have proper opposition. And then it could be an advantage to have both of them (in fact in this very thread a lot of Roglic fans were saying that Vingegaard couldn't win the Tour without Roglic... oh how times have changed
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No he isn't, Sepp is his best mate in the team, together with Tratnik, he's really happy from him.
Angliru ride doesn't have anything to do with Sepp, he was just proving a point to Niermann mostly, and partly to Vingegaard. In fact that ride saved Sepp, because that evening Plugge had to intervene, and he made the call that Sepp stays in red all the way.
Ironically, I think it was Vingegaard's move to follow Roglic, and not to stay with Kuss, maybe a deciding factor in Plugge's decision. It was just too much, a circus. Had he let Roglic go, he would win a stage and gain 15-20 sec, GC would stay the same, it woudn't seem that they are attacking each other, and especially Kuss, and he would not be so dangerously close to him in the GC. My guess is that Plugge wouldn't interfere and Niermann would approve his attack on Linares the day after then...
Guys, what fiasco are you talking about? Our Rogla won two stages and will be 3rd in GC. I know he wanted to win, but with Jonas in the team there was always going to be some tactics involved. The team is going to sweep the podium, Kuss will get his career achievement, a gift for all the job he has done for the team. Nothing wrong with that.
Don't worry. The Roglstomper is not done winning this season. He will conquer a couple of Italian regions in the near future, just watch.
Don't worry. The Roglstomper is not done winning this season. He will conquer a couple of Italian regions in the near future, just watch.
If he wins Il Lombardia it would be just perfect.
So the team intervened after all and gave an order to ride for Kuss. First of all i am happy for Kuss.
As for Rogla and this JV experiment. There are some positive things involved for sure. Like Angliru, overall performance and attitude was on a very high level. But then again a lot of negative aspects got revealed. Already on stage 1 Rogla lost time, due to other team interests. On stage 6 he already lost this GT, due to other team interest. On stage 16 he lost second place, due to other team interest. And now at the end he must hold back, due to other team interest. I can only imagine having a mechanical. He would be left behind and would lost minutes.
All in all it's not ideal. As Kuss will be the likely winner of this year edition. He likely will defend next year. As Jonas won the Tour, he will defend next year. Giro hence seems like it. A GT on where JV might bring Rogla as sole leader. Unless they get some wonderful ideas again on how more leaders are needed.
I don't know. It just feel such a waste to me. A rider of such calibre being so mistreated by his team. And now even artificially limited.
Rogla can change teams or force JV to treat him better. Both challenging. What i would do next is i would get in the breakaway on stage 20 and TTT with Remco. For internet mob to piss themself and to restore the order in JV. As management is incapable of doing that.
As for Rogla and this JV experiment. There are some positive things involved for sure. Like Angliru, overall performance and attitude was on a very high level. But then again a lot of negative aspects got revealed. Already on stage 1 Rogla lost time, due to other team interests. On stage 6 he already lost this GT, due to other team interest. On stage 16 he lost second place, due to other team interest. And now at the end he must hold back, due to other team interest. I can only imagine having a mechanical. He would be left behind and would lost minutes.
All in all it's not ideal. As Kuss will be the likely winner of this year edition. He likely will defend next year. As Jonas won the Tour, he will defend next year. Giro hence seems like it. A GT on where JV might bring Rogla as sole leader. Unless they get some wonderful ideas again on how more leaders are needed.
I don't know. It just feel such a waste to me. A rider of such calibre being so mistreated by his team. And now even artificially limited.
Rogla can change teams or force JV to treat him better. Both challenging. What i would do next is i would get in the breakaway on stage 20 and TTT with Remco. For internet mob to piss themself and to restore the order in JV. As management is incapable of doing that.
Honestly the Fred Wright stuff last year was far worse than anything roglic said in the past week.
I don't like how roglic races and find some of his fans really annoying but if I was him I would be super p*ssed , I spent weeks preparing hard to win a race and equal the record, I'm a bit older and don't know how long left I can compete in the highest level, and instead I'm expected to gift the race to a mickey mouse winner.
I think if they race eachother, vingagard beats roglic (and obviously kuss also), but it's a shame for us and for roglic that he didn't really get the chance to prove me wrong.
Considering how he was treated at this GT i feel that Rogla took it gracefully. People suggesting otherwise are in my opinion not in a possession of such virtue. So maybe they should consider to use Rogla as their role model. Internet would then be a much nicer place.
Currently there are around three and a half cyclists on the very top, when it comes to GT GC racing. For achieving and maintaining such level the sacrifice is insane. Why would one do it again if this is what you can expect.
Meh.
Meh.
That interview is good actually, one of the only honest things coming out of Jumbo Visma in weeks. Town isn't big enough for the two of them, perhaps he is realising.
Roglic
Hart
Mads
Skjelmose
Ciccone
Stuyven
SImmons
Thibau
Roglic
Thomas
Rodriguez
Pidcock
Turner
Ganna
Sheffield
Kwiatkowski
Both more than capable teams.
Roglic
Hart
Mads
Skjelmose
Ciccone
Stuyven
SImmons
Thibau
Roglic
Thomas
Rodriguez
Pidcock
Turner
Ganna
Sheffield
Kwiatkowski
Both more than capable teams.
i'd rather him never finish on a GT podium ever again than ride for Ineos. yuck.
On this GT the team has intentionally push him behind Jonas and in addition capped to not attack Sepp. So leaving the team is one option. Another one is to fix this team. As in the end what is this team without Roglič. Management and people making such decision won't win any races.
We'll see. All i know is this can't go on. Something must and will change.
We'll see. All i know is this can't go on. Something must and will change.
Yeah, my main conclusion from this GT is JV is now too saturated with leaders. If Rogla would do Tour 2024. That is already 4 leaders in the team. So i guess going after 1, 2, 3 and 4 in GC. Imagine having van Aert in this race. Remco would go mad.
JV saying you all can race as much as you want. Until i guess you can't any more. And JV will decide which pawn to take which place. Considering JV is rather OK with Rogla finishing third at Vuelta. If Rogla is serious about winning the Tour, still could happen with JV, but then again indeed another environment, with more emphasise on Rogla as a leader, could prove to be beneficial. We'll see.
JV saying you all can race as much as you want. Until i guess you can't any more. And JV will decide which pawn to take which place. Considering JV is rather OK with Rogla finishing third at Vuelta. If Rogla is serious about winning the Tour, still could happen with JV, but then again indeed another environment, with more emphasise on Rogla as a leader, could prove to be beneficial. We'll see.
Roglic crushed him on the ITT and pushed huge watts on Angliru, so I’m not sure I agree.
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I’ll give you Fred Wright. Not a great reaction. But how is he an a-hole? He is letting Kuss win even though he crushed him in the ITT and was stronger in the mountains. Roglic is about to turn 34 in a tenuous place on his team, riding for the right to ride the Tour next year, and to tie the record for Vuelta wins. 2022 was a nightmare for him, he won the Giro not fully himself yet after offseason surgery and a rough 2022, and he showed up to the Vuelta at the top of his game, clearly the strongest the first half of the race, and yet the team made decisions to put Kuss and Vingegaard in front of him, despite his strength. He let Vinge and Kuss ride away on multiple occasions. When he rode away, he was chased down by,,,Vinge and Kuss. And yet he is letting Kuss win.
I like Remco’s honesty; similarly, I like Roglic’s on this issue. He said he is happy for Kuss, but he had mixed emotions because he wanted to win. Saying otherwise would be a lie. He has wayyy more reason to want this than Vingegaard, for example, but it is clear that Vinge wanted it as well. They both said at the start, “I am here to win.” What is wrong with that?
Would Indurain have given away his fourth Tour to a weaker teammate? Froome? Contador? Lance? Come on. None of them would have.
Roglic and Vingegaard actually are giving it away.
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