Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Libertine Seguros]

INEOS would make the most sense

Movistar have yet to replace Valverde. Who would be better for that role than a guy already in his mid-30s whose main strength is sitting in the pack and then sprinting away in the last few hundred metres of an uphill finish, who lost his career's biggest chance to win the Tour by not taking advantage of his strength thanks to racing too defensively?

 

[theyoungest]

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It's true, he actually said it. The only guy who said before the Vuelta that Kuss could also win...

 

[cellardoor]

It seems to me that other teams mis-manage joint leadership on a regular basis. We point it out and make memes about it, but don't lose any sleep over it because it typically affects the fight for 3rd, 4th etc. Did anyone lose any sleep last night over whether Almeida and Soler will actually help Ayuso today? But if Soler, Ayuso and Almedia were running 1st, 2nd, 3rd they'd be a lot of hand-wringing about the way they're ridding as a team.

 

[RedheadDane]

It seems to me that other teams mis-manage joint leadership on a regular basis. We point it out and make memes about it, but don't lose any sleep over it because it typically affects the fight for 3rd, 4th etc. Did anyone lose any sleep last night over whether Almeida and Soler will actually help Ayuso today? But if Soler, Ayuso and Almedia were running 1st, 2nd, 3rd they'd be a lot of hand-wringing about the way they're ridding as a team.

I don't really lose sleep over the situation at Jumbo either... 🤷‍♀️

 

[Red Rick]

It seems to me that other teams mis-manage joint leadership on a regular basis. We point it out and make memes about it, but don't lose any sleep over it because it typically affects the fight for 3rd, 4th etc. Did anyone lose any sleep last night over whether Almeida and Soler will actually help Ayuso today? But if Soler, Ayuso and Almedia were running 1st, 2nd, 3rd they'd be a lot of hand-wringing about the way they're ridding as a team.

UAE are already widely considered a meme team in terms of team strategy when Pogacar isn't racing. That's nothing new.

Also, with Almeida, Soler and Ayuso, they would all be racing for their first GT win, and none of them have helped each other much if at all in GTs in the past. They'd be much more even in status.

 

[acm]

Game, Set, Match.
🔥🔥🔥


Seriously though, do you guys think Roglič will ever win a GT again, or has this broken him?

Broken? Really? I guess you don't know s*it about Roglič.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

It seems to me that other teams mis-manage joint leadership on a regular basis. We point it out and make memes about it, but don't lose any sleep over it because it typically affects the fight for 3rd, 4th etc. Did anyone lose any sleep last night over whether Almeida and Soler will actually help Ayuso today? But if Soler, Ayuso and Almedia were running 1st, 2nd, 3rd they'd be a lot of hand-wringing about the way they're ridding as a team.

Sure, but that's the price that gets paid when you're as dominant as Jumbo are.

Most teams would kill to have Jumbo's problems right about now.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Roglic has a contract until 2025 though.

If I'm Ineos and I wanna win the Tour, buying out Roglic seems like a very expensive, low chance of success attempt to do it.

But if they want to (try to) win the Tour next year already, then they don't really have any other options, unless Rodríguez steps up a few noches.

 

[theyoungest]

It seems to me that other teams mis-manage joint leadership on a regular basis. We point it out and make memes about it, but don't lose any sleep over it because it typically affects the fight for 3rd, 4th etc. Did anyone lose any sleep last night over whether Almeida and Soler will actually help Ayuso today? But if Soler, Ayuso and Almedia were running 1st, 2nd, 3rd they'd be a lot of hand-wringing about the way they're ridding as a team.

It's a nice view into the workings of present day media and online fandom: you win the race, fill the whole podium, win 5 stages, and somehow people feel you've failed. Bad news always travels faster, and online it travels with the speed of light. Especially since all these podcasts and talkshows with former riders (sometimes with their own personal grievances regarding Rabo-Jumbo) need to have something to talk about.

 

[Netserk]

Roglic has a contract until 2025 though.

If I'm Ineos and I wanna win the Tour, buying out Roglic seems like a very expensive, low chance of success attempt to do it.

Is there a cheaper option with greater chance of success? Nope. Only riders with a higher chance of winning the Tour are Vingegaard and Pogi, and Ineos ain't gonna get either.

Is Evenepoel cheaper to acquire? I don't think so.

 

[Red Rick]

Is there a cheaper option with greater chance of success? Nope. Only riders with a higher chance of winning the Tour are Vingegaard and Pogi, and Ineos ain't gonna get either.

Is Evenepoel cheaper to acquire? I don't think so.

I would consider the next 2 TdFs a lost cause and try to sign Isaac del Toro or that sort of riders or whatever. They missed the boat on previous megatalents. That and reevaluate why you're falling behind now. What is Jumbo doing better, etc

 

[Netserk]

Given Jumbo's search for sponsors, I'm actually puzzled that Ineos hasn't considered buying that team instead of QS.

 

[Red Rick]

Given Jumbo's search for sponsors, I'm actually puzzled that Ineos hasn't considered buying that team instead of QS.

I think the merger talk is just complete bs anyway.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Movistar have yet to replace Valverde. Who would be better for that role than a guy already in his mid-30s whose main strength is sitting in the pack and then sprinting away in the last few hundred metres of an uphill finish, who lost his career's biggest chance to win the Tour by not taking advantage of his strength thanks to racing too defensively?

Well, I certainly do hope Movistar signs him, but Im not getting my hopes up. They strike out more often than they hit these days tbh. Roglic would of course fit perfectly!

 

[bNator]

Roglic has a contract until 2025 though.

If I'm Ineos and I wanna win the Tour, buying out Roglic seems like a very expensive, low chance of success attempt to do it.

But what’s the alternative? Buy entire team for even lower chance of success?

 

[Elos Anjos]

Roglic is perfectly capable of winning the Tour but as others have said, leaving Jumbo Visma would mean also quitting training methdologies (in order to not go any further) that seem to enhance a rider's performances. Loosing some watts could prove decisive and could add to the pressure of speeding up his retirement. Tough choice.

 

[joe_papp]

Broken? Really? I guess you don't know s*it about Roglič.

I don't, which is literally why I asked the question. Yet instead of answering (if you have insight), you're focusing on highlighting my ignorance? Weird.

 

[acm]

I don't, which is literally why I asked the question. Yet instead of answering (if you have insight), you're focusing on highlighting my ignorance? Weird.

If all the setbacks in previous years didn't break him, third place in the Vuelta won't either.

 

[Rackham]

I don't, which is literally why I asked the question. Yet instead of answering (if you have insight), you're focusing on highlighting my ignorance? Weird.

Roglič bounces back from absolutely everything, even stronger than before.

People said he was washed after the 2022 season & here he is with wins in Tirreno, Catalunya, the Giro, Burgos & now this Vuelta where his wings have been clipped by Jumbo's team orders. I mean the only rival he's faced this season which has beaten him... is his own team.

So... I'm also expecting him to take his great end of season form here into next season as well. it's definitely a solid base to build from (instead of being in hospital like last autumn).

 

[Trofonios]

If Roglic want to win the tour he should change team given that the team in question have the riders to give him good support (obvious of course).

On TJV he can be co-leader at best barring nothing happens to Vinge ahead of the tour.
TJV surely wants to keep him. Adam Yates was better than Kuss during the tour and if UAE add Ayuso to the tour squad TJV will want to have Rogla on their squad otherwise Vinge will have a tough time fending off the attacks.

Maybe you could argue that he still has a better chance to win as co-leader on Jumbo than sole leader on another team. Challenging Pog, with a superstrong team, on a team with domestiques not on the same level will be hard. Would Rogla have won the Giro if he was on another team with no Kuss helping him out in a weak moment? So which team can offer this support? Ineos? Movistar? Bahrain? Trek-Lidl?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Well, I certainly do hope Movistar signs him, but Im not getting my hopes up. They strike out more often than they hit these days tbh. Roglic would of course fit perfectly!

I think he's a perfect fit for what Movistar needs, but Movistar isn't a perfect fit for what he needs, so it's unlikely to happen.

 

[theyoungest]

If Roglic want to win the tour he should change team given that the team in question have the riders to give him good support (obvious of course).

On TJV he can be co-leader at best barring nothing happens to Vinge ahead of the tour.
TJV surely wants to keep him. Adam Yates was better that Kuss during the tour and if UAE add Ayuso to the tour squad TJV will want to have Rogla on their squad otherwise Vinge will have a tough time fending off the attacks.

Maybe you could argue that he still has a better chance to win as co-leader on Jumbo than sole leader on another team. Challenging Pog, with a superstrong team, on a team with domestiques not on the same level will be hard. Would Rogla have won the Giro if he was on another team with no Kuss helping him out in a weak moment? So which team can offer this support? Ineos? Movistar? Bahrain? Trek-Lidl?

Ayuso won't ride with/for Pogacar, that's been stipulated in his contract. Jumbo are getting heavily criticized for rider management right now, but UAE agreeing to that is of course even more ridiculous.

If they do get Ayuso and Pogacar on the start line, I think it will be even harder for a single leader on another team to win the race. Then you really need to be just significantly stronger, which Roglic (in my opinion) is not.

 

[kn0s]

If Roglic want to win the tour he should change team given that the team in question have the riders to give him good support (obvious of course).

On TJV he can be co-leader at best barring nothing happens to Vinge ahead of the tour.
TJV surely wants to keep him. Adam Yates was better than Kuss during the tour and if UAE add Ayuso to the tour squad TJV will want to have Rogla on their squad otherwise Vinge will have a tough time fending off the attacks.

Maybe you could argue that he still has a better chance to win as co-leader on Jumbo than sole leader on another team. Challenging Pog, with a superstrong team, on a team with domestiques not on the same level will be hard. Would Rogla have won the Giro if he was on another team with no Kuss helping him out in a weak moment? So which team can offer this support? Ineos? Movistar? Bahrain? Trek-Lidl?

It's hard to use the guys like Adam in the tour, the way things are. In this years edition there was very little pace setting at the end of stages. They can't really be used as threats because they get completely destroyed when things get serious. The gap between Jonas/pogi and the rest is just ridiculous. You need riders to control break formation, this is the big thing now a days.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Rogla finishing this race third in GC, due to JV actions. That is the biggest issue i have and it really doesn't sit well with me. This is rather inexcusable.

 

[Trofonios]

It's hard to use the guys like Adam in the tour, the way things are. In this years edition there was very little pace setting at the end of stages. They can't really be used as threats because they get completely destroyed when things get serious. The gap between Jonas/pogi and the rest is just ridiculous. You need riders to control break formation, this is the big thing now a days.

I think we saw something interesting in one of stages during the tour this year when UAE decided to go hard with Majka to get rid of Kelderman and Kuss early so that TJV can't dictate what will happen, left was just Pog, Yates and Vinge. Pog let Yates ride away to try to force Vinge to the front. Problem in this case was of course that Yates was too far behind to be a worry for Vinge. But if such a situation can be created when GC gaps aren't that big then UAE have an advantage. It's in such situation that TJV will want to have a rider like Roglic there to make Vinge less vunerable.

Better than Majka to do this is probably Jay Vine who can, as we say early in the Vuelta, set a brutal pace.