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One of the Jumbo directors already said they're planning to have Roglic be one of the leaders of Jumbo in the Tour next year. IIRC it was Plugge.

In hindsight going to the Tour this year would have been more satisfying than the Vuelta cause he would likely have podiumed and maybe even gotten 2nd there.

That is not enough. Leadership and winning it. Thinking about going and to podium. Setting such goal is not worth the preparation any more.
 
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One clean run at it and he can turn his back.
Guess so. Maybe more than one shot but still. If you get beaten on merit you don't retire with that doubt at the least.

Sometimes he says *** like "I only have one thing left to win" as if retirement is imminent then he says "I'll continue as long as I enjoy it" and "Vuelta is more fun that training eh" that make you hope he's gonna continue for years to come.
 
Tour 2024 should suit Rogla more than Vuelta 2023. As i expect JV to be under more pressure. Hence Rogla should be able to go all in and that should suffice to beat any top GC rider. The only problem might be if competition won't prepare adequate or to target other GT's. In such case JV DS can again chose to push Jonas ahead in GC artificially. Here i feel that Rogla should then just race. As Jonas being competitor. If Rogla won't ride for JV any more in 2024 season. Then the new team will take him to the Tour regardless of his wishes. In such case the team for sure won't be holding him back. To push some other rider ahead. We'll see.
 
A counter argument to this theory is going to the Giro & Vuelta offers no guarantees. We've seen how team tactics within Jumbo hurt his chances here in the Vuelta 2023, meanwhile young riders elsewhere in the peloton are getting better & better, i.e. after a while when a champion gets older he's going to get beaten anyway. It's inevitable.

I'd rather he goes all in with a Hail Mary in the TdF for a couple more years than going to the Giro & Vuelta with the risk of getting outmanoeuvred within his own team by either Vinge or one of his domestiques, or beaten by some up & coming star from another team.

Off course it doesn't, but if he goes to the Tour with Vingegaard do you really think he would win it in normal conditions? I doubt so. He wasn't able to do that against Pogacar in 2020. in 2024 he will be 4 years older, 35 (or close to it), and have Vingegaard as a rival within his own team.
Besides, sure, going to the Vuelta/Giro might mean facing new and strong opponents and the same goes for the Tour.

As I said, if I were him, in the twilight of my career I would like to maximize the amount of wins (aka money) that I could get. I would value a Giro/Vuelta win more than a second place in the Tour.
But that's me.
 
Off course it doesn't, but if he goes to the Tour with Vingegaard do you really think he would win it in normal conditions? I doubt so. He wasn't able to do that against Pogacar in 2020. in 2024 he will be 4 years older, 35 (or close to it), and have Vingegaard as a rival within his own team.
Besides, sure, going to the Vuelta/Giro might mean facing new and strong opponents and the same goes for the Tour.

As I said, if I were him, in the twilight of my career I would like to maximize the amount of wins (aka money) that I could get. I would value a Giro/Vuelta win more than a second place in the Tour.
But that's me.
Of course he can because he is better than Jonas, as demonstrated during this Vuelta. Let us just hope he goes there and with no team interference.
 
Off course it doesn't, but if he goes to the Tour with Vingegaard do you really think he would win it in normal conditions? I doubt so. He wasn't able to do that against Pogacar in 2020. in 2024 he will be 4 years older, 35 (or close to it), and have Vingegaard as a rival within his own team.
Besides, sure, going to the Vuelta/Giro might mean facing new and strong opponents and the same goes for the Tour.

As I said, if I were him, in the twilight of my career I would like to maximize the amount of wins (aka money) that I could get. I would value a Giro/Vuelta win more than a second place in the Tour.
But that's me.

Rogla is only getting started. Current meme circulating is he can't beat rider X at race Y.

P.S. Used to be he is a ski jumper, crashes a lot, is selfish, too old ...
 
I think he just wants to try again with full team support. If he gives 100%, not crashes and finishes 2nd, 3rd or lower, he would probably be happy with that and basically lay the dream down. He can ride out in the sunset.

Until he doesn't get his 100% support and chance, he won't sleep easy.

Staying at JV he won't get that chance. If he even gets a spot in TdF team (big if), he'll play by Jonas rules and team orders. And then there is still Pogačar. And others in top shapes. And him being 34 years old.

But like I said. I don't think he thinks, he can win it. He just wants a 100% shot. Going to another team is hard. He'll be 35 or more doing it. Not much time to do anything. But probably still better then staying at JV.
 
At times Roglic looked super strong, at times less so but I think it's clear that he didn't completely get to show what he was capable of this Vuelta. This was probably the best Roglic we've seen since his almost-Tour win. The only stage that he really didn't look that good all day was Tourmalet. Still got third, of course.

If he goes to Lombardia I think he'll be the favourite... of course Pogacar will improve massively from now until then, but Roglic in this form can challenge him.
 
I don't think Roglic is on the same level as Vingegaard or Pogacar. I do think this year with his Vuelta form he would have finshed TDF in front of Pog, though. Not because he's better than Pog - if there were no Vingegaard to tire Poge over 3 weeks, Pog wins over Roglic. But Roglic with optimum TDF doesn't lose more than 3-4 minutes to Vingegaard.

I think many would be surprised how strong he is in TDF if all things align for him...
 
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I don't think Roglic is on the same level as Vingegaard or Pogacar. I do think this year with his Vuelta form he would have finshed TDF in front of Pog, though. Not because he's better than Pog - if there were no Vingegaard to tire Poge over 3 weeks, Pog wins over Roglic. But Roglic with optimum TDF doesn't lose more than 3-4 minutes to Vingegaard.

I think many would be surprised how strong he is in TDF if all things align for him...
Why are you so confident that Vingegaard or Pogacar are "in a different league" (above) than Roglic? On what do you base your conviction? Roglic performance on TDF in 2021 or 2022, where he was injured? Or his performance on this year's Giro where he barely managed to win over Thomas? Roglic was involved in the same crash that ended Tao Geghen Hart hopes of winning in GS.

The fact is that Roglic crashes a lot, and these crashes hamper his true abilities. This year's Vuelta was the first 3 weeks race where Roglic didn't have a significant crash, illness, or previous injuries (knee, shoulder) and he showed that he can compete with Vingegaard on the most challenging, long, steep climbs barring team tactics and orders.

I think Jumbo will go on TDF 2024 with Roglic as an equal co-leader otherwise I think he will change the team.
 
Why are you so confident that Vingegaard or Pogacar are "in a different league" (above) than Roglic? On what do you base your conviction? Roglic performance on TDF in 2021 or 2022, where he was injured? Or his performance on this year's Giro where he barely managed to win over Thomas? Roglic was involved in the same crash that ended Tao Geghen Hart hopes of winning in GS.

The fact is that Roglic crashes a lot, and these crashes hamper his true abilities. This year's Vuelta was the first 3 weeks race where Roglic didn't have a significant crash, illness, or previous injuries (knee, shoulder) and he showed that he can compete with Vingegaard on the most challenging, long, steep climbs barring team tactics and orders.

I think Jumbo will go on TDF 2024 with Roglic as an equal co-leader otherwise I think he will change the team.
Vinge was also not in Tour shape unless you believe everyone bar Roglic is significantly better than the Pog, Adam and the rest of the Tour top 10.
 
Why are you so confident that Vingegaard or Pogacar are "in a different league" (above) than Roglic? On what do you base your conviction? Roglic performance on TDF in 2021 or 2022, where he was injured? Or his performance on this year's Giro where he barely managed to win over Thomas? Roglic was involved in the same crash that ended Tao Geghen Hart hopes of winning in GS.

The fact is that Roglic crashes a lot, and these crashes hamper his true abilities. This year's Vuelta was the first 3 weeks race where Roglic didn't have a significant crash, illness, or previous injuries (knee, shoulder) and he showed that he can compete with Vingegaard on the most challenging, long, steep climbs barring team tactics and orders.

I think Jumbo will go on TDF 2024 with Roglic as an equal co-leader otherwise I think he will change the team.
When I say think, I mean “think it’s most likely”. Therefore it’s not a conviction or confidence. It’s what I believe is most likely based on what I’ve been seeing the last couple of years. Which is Pogacar and Vingegaard being in a world of their own in TDF where noone else was able to present even the slightest threat.

Roglic was never on that level compared to his competition. He is usually very strong or even the strongest but never in a world of his own where noone could challenge him. Feel free to provide examples to the contrary, of course… Maybe Vuelta 2021…

That could be down to him crashing too often or even due to his conservative approach to GC. But when I have to go with what’s most likely, I’m going with Vinge/Pog.
 
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if they give Remco a joke of a route like last year he could do well in the GC again. and he still got dropped on all 2 of the real mountain stages last year.
agree...as you said, if they give him a joke of a route...as he cannot compete with real, in shape, un injured, gc riders in a real gc structured race. and that is ok....but he has his publi(cyst) on the radio more than his DS...saying Kuss wasn't a factor, while he was taking a tactical 20+ minute recess so as to be let lose for gimmick rides for the camera. this is what social media does to riders....and the viewers....thank gosh again for pogi...a real gc rider...fights for the win even when he is beaten..unlike little remco that will instead go for gimmck rides instead of suffering and losing.
 

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