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I read the complete opposite, i.e. after Hindley won the Giro, he said he wanted to go to the Tour de France.

But on the issue of the Tour, I'll assume a prospective Bora team surrounding Rog would be the strongest possible. The team would make the yellow jersey their goal.

Just throw the best riders in there in terms of climbing & rouleurs.

Hindley wanted to defend his GIRO, so this will be his priority in 2024 - Bora has enough strong riders without Hindley to support Roglic at the TDF - And it's not as though Jumbo stacked their TDF team full of climbers.
 
I can't see the guys Bora have being interested in being support riders. They could be very strong if they put their own success behind and ride for Roglic but I've seen nothing before that says they'll ride as a team for one rider.

Giro 2022. Once Hindley was their main rider in GC, they took the fight to Ineos as a group.

Stage 14 in particular was very impressive (the one Bora blew apart).
 
I can't see the guys Bora have being interested in being support riders. They could be very strong if they put their own success behind and ride for Roglic but I've seen nothing before that says they'll ride as a team for one rider.
I think a lot of it comes very naturally. Once they go on a training camp and see Roglic’s strength, get his numbers, see his work ethics and feel his presences on a bike, they automatically get in line. It’s what happened with TJV also. If you read what his colleagues had to say about their training camp experience with him when he arrived at the team in 2016 it was very clear from the start that he is special. He was the one training in bad weather when others got a day off, he was running 10 kms before they even got up, etc. He is a proven leader who delivers results. They will support him.
 
So most likely scenarios ATM are:

  • Rogla to another team.
  • JV and QOS merger.
  • Remco to another team.
  • Some other involved riders likely already lined up to sign for another team.

Ineos will likely sign at least one top rider and one mysterious team remaining and to be determined.

#PelotonBestKeptSecrets.
 
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So most likely scenarios ATM are:

  • Rogla to another team.
  • JV and QOS merger.
  • Remco to another team.
  • Some other involved riders likely already lined up to sign for another team.

Ineos will likely sign at least one top rider and one mysterious team remaining and to be determined.

#PelotonBestKeptSecrets.

If this goes down like this, it's essentially Quick-Step getting dissolved by the joint forces of Jumbo & Evenepoel. The former want the sponsor, the latter wants a transfer.

I wouldn't call it a 'merger' per se, rather a hostile takeover. Makes me think the 'merger' talk was leaked to the press as a PR exercise to make people soften to the idea of the 'merging' of teams when it wasn't that at all.

According to this article, Quick-Step's staff will be informed of their employment termination tomorrow: https://www.lesoir.be/540615/article/2023-10-01/cyclisme-ca-sent-la-fin-pour-soudal-quick-step
 
I see you don’t fully get the beauty of SamenWinnen. It has nothing to do with who is better. It’s all about the team. Being better does not necessarily correlate with being the subject of palmares…
Someone said he should ride for Vingegaard, if they are equals then the road will decide and you can’t assume he has to ride for him, could be the other way around. Like I said, Remco has no problem riding for someone else. If they start TDF together and Vingegaard is much better he’ll happily ride for him.
 
Great for Rog to leave and perhaps make more money by being possibly top protected rider for tour de France . But do we really think he can actually beat Pog and Ving at TDF? I like Rog a lot but don't think that is happening. But hey, to get paid more by a lesser team to keep us all in suspense (well some of us) yes great. Great move. Take the money while you can get it. But beat Pog and Ving ? Lol.
IMO he would need a Kuss and Wout to accomplish that along with solid and sensible team management. Ineos might provide that but the fallout from transfers always can screw up the best plan. There are no shortage of aspirants for a Tour podium on that team.
Strategically he'd need to pick one of the two to shadow with a willingness to work to weaken the odd rider out. I know I've said that before but starting with a plan to beat everyone at once only works with a stacked situation like JV had at the Vuelta. I doubt that'll work again.
 
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Someone said he should ride for Vingegaard, if they are equals then the road will decide and you can’t assume he has to ride for him, could be the other way around. Like I said, Remco has no problem riding for someone else. If they start TDF together and Vingegaard is much better he’ll happily ride for him.
What is the basis for this assumption of yours? Does he have proven track record of working for his teammates? I’ll admit I didn’t follow him in the early days that much and may have missed a race or two. From what I’ve seen, he has ridden for Wout in Belgium WCRR but not without controversy. Are there any other examples?
 
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I wasn't trying to imponerende a problem, simply staging the fact. I was looking at ages for tdf winners and saw Roglic would be in the older end if winning again.

🙃🙂

Roglič at 34 is like Tobey Maguire at 27 when he played Peter Parker in Spiderman (aka a high schooler).

He's the youngest 34 year old pro cycling. I mean just go back & look at his neo-pro photos (when he was in his mid-20's), i.e. he looked like a kid.
 
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What is the basis for this assumption of yours? Does he have proven track record of working for his teammates? I’ll admit I didn’t follow him in the early days that much and may have missed a race or two. From what I’ve seen, he has ridden for Wout in Belgium WCRR but not without controversy. Are there any other examples?
World Championship 2019, 2021 and 2023. Past 2 seasons he rode a lot in the sprint train of Jakobsen, even though he was going for the GC of that race. I haven't seen him ride for someone else in a mountain stage, although he could've ridden for Almeida in the Giro of 2021 after he did so badly.
 
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World Championship 2019, 2021 and 2023. Past 2 seasons he rode a lot in the sprint train of Jakobsen, even though he was going for the GC of that race. I haven't seen him ride for someone else in a mountain stage, although he could've ridden for Almeida in the Giro of 2021 after he did so badly.
Sometimes it’s not really clear what is the purpose of an action until there’s an outcome. For example, 2022 WC could be an attack if successful or working for Wout if not successful. Same goes for 2021 and 2023. Possibly 2019 but I didn’t watch that edition…

What I’m trying to say is that he’s at the same time working for his team while hoping he’s gonna get away with it (like he did in 2022). Not really 100% working for others.

And on the long run, I’m trying to illustrate that not many elite cyclists work for others and you calling Rogla selfish is uncalled for because it’s very difficult for you to provide an example of Rogla being selfish when compared to other riders of his calibre.
 
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So most likely scenarios ATM are:

  • Rogla to another team.
  • JV and QOS merger.
  • Remco to another team.
  • Some other involved riders likely already lined up to sign for another team.

Ineos will likely sign at least one top rider and one mysterious team remaining and to be determined.

#PelotonBestKeptSecrets.
Update to the most likely scenarios ATM are:

Roglic to Bora-Hansgroe
Remco to Ineos
many riders scattered hither and thither
 
Latest info is Bora team for sure (Ineos managed to get a verbal yes by Remco so they won't take Roglič) WITH Wout! Which i can't say i'm happy about.
I'm tired of his TdF shenanigans.

What? Seriously? Do you have a link for that?

I mean Roglič moving to Bora is looking more & more like an open secret (I think everyone with contacts is hinting at the same 'done deal'), but WvA is something new.

I saw one quote where a Bora guy apparently said they'd love to have Rog, WvA & Evenepoel as well, but I took that as just something they'd say anyway. Like "we want the best riders, who wouldn't?".
 
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