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[Logic-is-your-friend]

Roglic fans always with the excuses.

 

[Screecher]

Worst stage race result since Tirreno 2018 if we don't count DNFs and back then he at least managed to win a stage. Sign of things to come.

 

[Netserk]

Bad legs, *** weather, and head no longer in it after Vlasov got up ahead.

Itzulia should be much better.

 

[how yes no?]

If it was excuses as to why he didn't win, I'd be one thing, but we need to find excuses why he can't climb with top 20 on "shortish steepish" climbs, its almost like those basketball players in SpaceJam sort of drop and getting worse by days. I can only think of injury or illness by now as far as excuses go, anything else is not an excuse, but a matter of fact it would seem.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Roglic fans always with the excuses.

I actually know he's off by 25g of his ideal weight, so it's not really an excuse.

 

[Salvarani]

Roglic fans actually give it up, as far as I can see, and saying he had bad legs. Wasnt his best race.

Remco fans trying to find a million reasons to say why he didnt win each time he doesnt, blame everyone they can... and never say "he might not have been the best here".

 

[Elos Anjos]

Like someone wrote some days ago, you just don't decay so quickly, so sudden, so one has to find reasonable explanations. Not excuses. Jorgenson was better/smarter than Remco and for sure Roglic, but Primoz's fandom are not uptset that he got beaten, but how he is just in a miserable form.

 

[joseph89]

From king to jester, make it make sense 😅

 

[Red Rick]

What's clearly visible is that the harder the stage and more fatigue in the legs, the worse he was doing. Yesterday was 100km Unipuerto on an easy climb, and he had something at the end. Today he looks like the 6th best climber one moment then he just runs completely empty 20km later.

Fatigue resistance isn't typically Roglas best trait, but this isn't quite normal.

 

[Rackham]

I'm not seeing any excuses here in this thread tbh.

I think everyone can see there's no sugar-coating what happened. I think if someone is looking for "positives" though, i.e. in a twisted, Greek tragedy sort of way his defeat here in Paris-Nice respects the rules of past defeats in the sense on paper it looks really, really horrible (which is in character).

He gets beaten by his teammate, he doesn't win a stage, the TTT was a disaster, he got cold, wet (something he hates) & to add insult to injury, Visma with his replacement rider won GC.

The French have a word for this & it's called la merde.

 

[skippo12]

I'm not seeing any excuses here in this thread tbh.

I think everyone can see there's no sugar-coating what happened. I think if someone is looking for "positives" though, i.e. in a twisted, Greek tragedy sort of way his defeat here in Paris-Nice respects the rules of past defeats in the sense on paper it looks really, really horrible (which is in character).

He gets beaten by his teammate, he doesn't win a stage, the TTT was a disaster, he got cold, wet (something he hates) & to add insult to injury, Visma with his replacement rider won GC.

The French have a word for this & it's called la merde.

"Positives" are his teammates if we ignore the TTT. Vlasov, Hindley and Kämna can keep up with UAE and Visma. Now it is up to Roglic to reach his best level.

 

[Salvarani]

What's clearly visible is that the harder the stage and more fatigue in the legs, the worse he was doing. Yesterday was 100km Unipuerto on an easy climb, and he had something at the end. Today he looks like the 6th best climber one moment then he just runs completely empty 20km later.

Fatigue resistance isn't typically Roglas best trait, but this isn't quite normal.

I think he just took it easy in the end, since he didnt have a shot at anything. Like some said his head was gone and no real point in keep pushing to finish 8th or something. He doesnt care about that.

He didnt have greatest legs during the race and wasnt at this best here. They will look into it.

Or it is the start of Roglic final years, where he might lose his consistency but can still have some great races and performances.

 

[Red Rick]

People calling Jorgenson his replacement rider when he had a verbal agreement with Jumbo like half a year before Roglic put in the transfer request.....

 

[JosefK]

I tend to be one of those fans who overreacts to adverse events for a favorite rider, but still, I do wonder whether the signs are ominous for Rog. His form will almost surely improve as the season goes on, but is his ceiling a little lower, now? ... Jumbo (now Visma LAB) perhaps could see the signs earlier, last year and maybe even as 2022 drew to a close. It may be that Rog's last epic victory was the Giro's final time trial last year (even considering the big stage win in the Vuelta on Angliru). At the Giro, he had just enough in the tank to squeak by a 36-year-old G. Thomas. And if Tao Geoghegan Hart had not crashed out, maybe Rog would have finished 2nd there. -- Hope I'm wrong about the trajectory. ... I'm wrong a lot.

 

[Salvarani]

I tend to be one of those fans who overreacts to adverse events for a favorite rider, but still, I do wonder whether the signs are ominous for Rog. His form will almost surely improve as the season goes on, but is his ceiling a little lower, now? ... Jumbo (now Visma LAB) perhaps could see the signs earlier, last year and maybe even as 2022 drew to a close. It may be that Rog's last epic victory was the Giro's final time trial last year. He had just enough in the tank to squeak by a 36-year-old G. Thomas. And if Tao Geoghegan Hart had not crashed out, maybe Rog would have finished 2nd there. -- Hope I'm wrong about the trajectory. ... I'm wrong a lot.

If he can find his Vuelta form from last year, he should at least have a good chance at finishing 3rd in the Tour.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I'm not seeing any excuses here in this thread tbh.

Well...

Had some okay moments on earlier and easier days. Kinda just looks like either he's behind on his training base or he's ill.

And it was a joke. When the poor man can't even wheelsuck himself across the finishline, we can all agree something's up.

 

[Lequack]

Is this the end? Hopefully not.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haZpwAm_xEY

 

[johnymax]

I tend to be one of those fans who overreacts to adverse events for a favorite rider, but still, I do wonder whether the signs are ominous for Rog. His form will almost surely improve as the season goes on, but is his ceiling a little lower, now? ... Jumbo (now Visma LAB) perhaps could see the signs earlier, last year and maybe even as 2022 drew to a close. It may be that Rog's last epic victory was the Giro's final time trial last year. He had just enough in the tank to squeak by a 36-year-old G. Thomas. And if Tao Geoghegan Hart had not crashed out, maybe Rog would have finished 2nd there. -- Hope I'm wrong about the trajectory. ... I'm wrong a lot.

Giro's TT surely wasn't his last epic victory because as I see it, he had two more epic victories since then, Giro dell' Emilia (beating Pogačar) and Angliru stage. I still believe Angliru wasn't his last epic victory.

 

[Extinction]

It's not the end, but serious adjustments will have to be made come July

 

[zlev11]

there should be no overreaction to this. yeah it was disappointing, but it's not exactly breaking news for a rider whose goal is the tour de france to not be at his best in march. remember vingegaard at this race last year? he got absolutely demolished by pogacar. he was beaten on a mountain stage by kevin vauquelin. i understand that is much different than this, but it didn't mean anything in the long run.

 

[theyoungest]

It's not even his form that worries me, he's been quite bad on the final stage in Paris-Nice before. But it's his general demeanour on the bike, he looks deflated. Something is not right.

Of course if you're not in great shape and you get a week of absolutely dismal weather, that won't help either.

 

[zlev11]

It's not even his form that worries me, he's been quite bad on the final stage in Paris-Nice before. But it's his general demeanour on the bike, he looks deflated. Something is not right.

Of course if you're not in great shape and you get a week of absolutely dismal weather, that won't help either.

he clearly got too cold today. he looked fine yesterday.

 

[theyoungest]

there should be no overreaction to this. yeah it was disappointing, but it's not exactly breaking news for a rider whose goal is the tour de france to not be at his best in march. remember vingegaard at this race last year? he got absolutely demolished by pogacar. i understand that is much different than this, but it didn't mean anything in the long run.

He was beaten by Pogacar, not by the domestiques of the guys he's racing in July (and Evenepoel).

 

[Didinho]

What is he riding next?

 

[pablohidalgo7]

Well, I do look for excuses, it is evident that he is either sick or has had symptoms of hypothermia for days (perhaps very little fat for this Paris Nice), it is not normal how bad he looked today