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[acm]

But if that were true, why would his coach say he has same watts as ever this time of year? That only puts unnecessary pressure on Roglic…

Maybe he had them in trainings. But he almost froze in the last few days, I've never seen him shaking from the cold as he did today.

 

[theyoungest]

Jvlab is one of those teams that gets the best out of riders, one way or another.

Why is it a surprise that leaving the team has the reverse effect? Maybe the fanboys don't want to admit that Roglic would have never been Roglic without the secret aioli.

This is not completely true. Visma actually credit Roglic as a major influence in their transformation from worst to best team in the WT. Because he was so professional and focused on detail they had to be as well, basically. It's not the case that Roglic became the Roglic we know thanks to his team, well maybe it is but it was his own attitude that made it so.

 

[shadowrider]

Roglic came from altitude, but wasn't on his best. I don't think because of the age, he started late as a pro rider. But changing teams, not being anymore in the luxuary position of the best team in the world, having to attack himself (and fail).... and of course the cold and rain. I suppose Roglic will be far better in the Tour, but not a possible winner anymore. Probably not even a podiumcandidate anymore. Maybe winning a stage after an uphill sprint is still possible.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

A lot of people were commenting how lean was Roglic before the race. And now they were saying how much he suffered from the cold, he was shivering, struggling in the descents.

Probably not the best strategy to have him at his peak le tour weight for a cold, wet and explosive Paris Nice.

 

[Rackham]

As fans we just have to endure, I think. The goal is the TdF so until he's getting dropped like a rock in the Tour, we won't know for sure about anything. We can only judge from the outside & make assumptions based on guesses.

For me those 'guesses' are primarily A/Rog, his coach & Bora must realize how difficult the TdF will be (some say impossible), ergo peaking at the right time is probably central to the plan, like Monte Lussari or the Angliru last season & B/ Bora hired him specifically for the Tour. That's also where Red Bull's sponsorship comes into effect, i.e. they get their new jerseys & it's their main objective as a team.

But it sure as hell will be a long uncomfortable spring if this form & sort of performance continues through April.

 

[tobydawq]

This race ends a streak of 24 consecutive WT stage races that Roglic has finished in which he has either won at least one stage or won GC.

 

[Rackham]

Actually, now that I think about it we have seen him here or thereabouts in terms of form: week one of the 2022 Vuelta.

He was short of race condition after his DNF from the Tour & went into the race without much training. He got dropped hard on two MTF's by Evenepoel.

Apples & oranges maybe (or 'hopium', depending on the angle) but hey, he came back strong after that.

 

[Gargamel35]

A lot of people were commenting how lean was Roglic before the race. And now they were saying how much he suffered from the cold, he was shivering, struggling in the descents.

Probably not the best strategy to have him at his peak le tour weight for a cold, wet and explosive Paris Nice.

Well Eurosport basically called him fat. They said he has couple kg too much.

 

[Red Rick]

Well Eurosport basically called him fat. They said he has couple kg too much.

Coach: "Primoz' numbers are the highest ever"

Primoz: "He's talking about the scale eh"

 

[Rackham]

Well Eurosport basically called him fat. They said he has couple kg too much.

Sean Kelly imagines a lot of stuff during the races he commentates. It doesn't make it true.

 

[zlev11]

But if that were true, why would his coach say he has same watts as ever this time of year? That only puts unnecessary pressure on Roglic…

i think his coach isn't telling the full truth

 

[bNator]

i think his coach isn't telling the full truth

I understand that and I think so, too. I have trouble understanding why he said that, though. There must have been a purpose and I’m failing to see one. But it doesn’t matter that much anyway - anything anyone says at this point is completely irrelevant compared to how he does in the future races…

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I understand that and I think so, too. I have trouble understanding why he said that, though. There must have been a purpose and I’m failing to see one. But it doesn’t matter that much anyway - anything anyone says at this point is completely irrelevant compared to how he does in the future races…

Bernal was pushing his best numbers in 2020 when he was getting dropped from a peloton of 40 guys that was lead by Van Aert. Evenepoel was pushing his best numbers in the WCC ITT '22 when he got beaten by Foss. Everybody is pushing their best numbers always when getting dropped. It's a meme at this point.

 

[zlev11]

I understand that and I think so, too. I have trouble understanding why he said that, though. There must have been a purpose and I’m failing to see one. But it doesn’t matter that much anyway - anything anyone says at this point is completely irrelevant compared to how he does in the future races…

yeah i dunno, but i find it hard to believe he was doing the same numbers here as 2021 when he was fully dominant, but now is losing to Jorgenson and McNulty. the numbers of the guys dropped by Vingegaard in T-A were below what Roglic has done at his best very recently (Lo Port, Lussari, Angliru, Javalambre) and i find it hard to believe that Ayuso and Hindley would've been dropped for 5 minutes today. he clearly got sick or too cold and just packed it in today.

 

[topcat]

Sean Kelly imagines a lot of stuff during the races he commentates. It doesn't make it true.

Sean Kelly- that idiot who won Paris-Nice 7 years in a row.

 

[Gargamel35]

Sean Kelly- that idiot who won Paris-Nice 7 years in a row.

Winning races years ago doesn't make him a good commentator.

 

[dazaau]

Bernal was pushing his best numbers in 2020 when he was getting dropped from a peloton of 40 guys that was lead by Van Aert. Evenepoel was pushing his best numbers in the WCC ITT '22 when he got beaten by Foss. Everybody is pushing their best numbers always when getting dropped. It's a meme at this point.

You forgot Froome being "back to his best numbers" before getting shelled by everyone and their dog 😅

 

[Rob5091]

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...ut-my-life-doesnt-change-if-i-win-paris-nice/
Roglič is next due to compete in the Itzulia Basque Country race, starting on April 1.
(Remco & Vingegaard also on startlist - time to show what Roglic can do)

 

[red_flanders]

But if that were true, why would his coach say he has same watts as ever this time of year? That only puts unnecessary pressure on Roglic…

Maybe everyone else who matters is putting out more this year. Wouldn’t be the least bit surprising.

 

[Rackham]

Sean Kelly- that idiot who won Paris-Nice 7 years in a row.

Rog had literally been back to the car to put on extra clothes 30 minutes earlier, i.e. which made his upper body look bulkier. It's not rocket science. I mean a lot of commentary errors happen on Eurosport due to inattention from the commentary team.

 

[Remy55]

Rolf Aldag after the race about Roglic:

"Honestly, if you're sitting on the bike, shaking and shivering, and you're just happy that you're still able to get down safely and just manage to operate the right and left brake levers, then you can't talk about disappointment."

"We just couldn't get there by car because the commissaires had justly ordered a barrage so that not everyone was riding in the slipstream at the back. Until we got there, all we really heard from Primoz was 'frozen frozen frozen'."

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[Rackham]

Rolf Aldag after the race about Roglic:

"Honestly, if you're sitting on the bike, shaking and shivering, and you're just happy that you're still able to get down safely and just manage to operate the right and left brake levers, then you can't talk about disappointment."

"We just couldn't get there by car because the commissaires had justly ordered a barrage so that not everyone was riding in the slipstream at the back. Until we got there, all we really heard from Primoz was 'frozen frozen frozen'."

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This is a valid explanation.

There's also a precedent from two years ago where the opposite occurred in the final Paris-Nice stage in 2022 with changeable weather conditions: he overdressed & 'overheated' (he almost crashed as well whilst attempting to undress on a descent).

Yesterday it seems like a reverse scenario with similar consequences on his legs (underdressed & froze).

 

[shadowrider]

Maybe he had them in trainings. But he almost froze in the last few days, I've never seen him shaking from the cold as he did today.

A Slovenian and ex-ski-jumper not used to cold or not able to manage cold ? Come on.
It is normal that slightly stronger build all-rounders such as Jorgensen and Evenepoel may have a small advantage in the cold. On the other hand skeletar Vingegaard did again perform at the highest level in the cold and rainy Tirreno.
Still, cold and rain must have had an influence coming from altitude and sunny conditions. But Roglic losing 4 minutes in one stage ? Not being protected by the enormous Jumbo-team anymore, and forced to attack (and fail) once or twice himself (instead of wheelsucking, what he did most of the time, even in this P-N). So Roglic is what he has always been. A pace climber as long as he is in the wheels. In the last km or in the sprint uphill, jumping from the wheel of the opponents or teammates to occasionally win.

He was always able to camouflage his lack of substance (at the highest level) with the support of his superior team.
Which is no longer possible at Bora. The question is also whether Roglic will go to the Tour as leader or shadow leader ? I think Vlasov is the better of the two (at this moment).

 

[dazaau]

A Slovenian and ex-ski-jumper not used to cold or not able to manage cold ? Come on.
It is normal that slightly stronger all-rounders such as Jorgensen and Evenepoel may have a small advantage in the cold. On the other hand skeletar Vingegaard did again perform at the highest level in the cold and rainy Tirreno.
Still, cold and rain must have had an influence coming from altitude and sunny conditions. But Roglic losing 4 minutes in one stage ? Not being protected by the enormous Jumbo-team anymore, and forced to attack (and fail) once or twice himself (instead of wheelsucking, what he did most of the time, even in this P-N). So Roglic is what he has always been. A pace climber as long as he is in the wheels. In the last km or in the sprint uphill, jumping from the wheel of the opponents or teammates to occasionally win.

He was always able to camouflage his lack of substance (at the highest level) with the support of his superior team.
Which is no longer possible at Bora. The question is also whether Roglic will go to the Tour as leader or shadow leader ? I think Vlasov is the better of the two (at this moment).

Good grief.

 

[Rob5091]

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...allenge-on-bora-hansgrohe-debut-at-paris-nice

"It was my first race and obviously I need race rhythm," he says. "From now on, I think it's a good place to build on."

"For sure you can say that I came to Paris-Nice with a mindset to win, otherwise I don't come but we didn't succeed. The second part was to make a good block of intensity and I got that," Roglic concludes. "I stayed happy, I finished in one piece, it's a big mark that's done and it's in the legs."

BORA - hansgrohe's sports director, Patxi Vila -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...z-roglics-quiet-conclusion-to-paris-nice-2024

Whilst Vlasov took third on the stage, rising to 5th in the general classification, Roglic was absent from the head of the race in the finale, eventually finishing 10th overall. “With Roglic we still had someone as a backup . However, he didn't have his best days this week. We wanted to reach the final podium today, but in the end Vlasov was too tired. He did show how good he was," Vila assesses.

"Roglic did that too, but today he made a lot of tactical mistakes. That cost him a lot of time. He had it in him to be at the front,” Vila concludes. “We will ultimately go home with a fifth place in the final classification and a stage victory. That's good, but not what we expected.”

"Tactical mistakes" and "not what we expected". I think the weather played a large part and Roglic's history of crashes meant it was safety first. No way is this near Roglic's top form.