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[CyclistAbi]

Meant I doubt how he will perform there after the Giro-Tour double was what I meant sorry.

Well, it's Pogi. But i do agree that fatigue is inevitable. So having Rogla there, back in the bunch, plan B, that will likely prove to be beneficial. We'll see.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Realistically, if health allows for it, Rogla must unleash the third week monster, considering Olympics RR is 19 days away, perfect target. Over the ultimate climb or in reduced bunch sprint, it has to go.

Then onto the future.

 

[skippo12]

Has anyone actually looked at the ORR course? Not sure what Roglic is supposed to do in a race that probably ranks somewhere inbetween E3/Amstel.
Road race in Glasgow last year had more vertical meters. Pogacar and Evenepoel are the only climbers/puncheurs that are in the conversation on a course like this. But even they are heavy underdogs vs MVP or WVA (if he can find his legs).

Roglic needs to stay as far away as possible from races that are all about positioning. Should focus on the Vuelta and Zurich.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Dno why he would go to the Olympics. Pogacar is the undisputed leader and the route doesn't suit him that well, and then you have the crash. Much better IMO to focus on getting as ready as possible for the Vuelta and that 4th win

 

[Rackham]

I never really factored the Olympic road race in any sort of predictions other than the fact he might have wanted to go there just to enjoy the event. I'd say he's got a way better chance of winning the Clasica San Sebastian than the Olympics & even that would be very difficult because he's not a one day specialist.

I have no hope for the Zurich Worlds either because A/he needs to be selected (it's out of his control) & B/it's a super long one day race against absolute monster specialists.

So realistically for the second half of the season there's the ubiquitous Vuelta bid & then maybe a return to San Luca (hopefully with happier memories than in the recent TdF stage 2) & then another shot at Lombardia (which never works out anyway).

 

[CyclistAbi]

Well, some people tend to argue Rogla has no chance in winning anything, now we won't have that. Olympics it is then. Tourist ride in the bunch in case of Pogi misfiring.

 

[acm]

In ski jumping, an Olympic medal means the most you can achieve. And as an ex ski jumper, the Olympics mean a lot to him, so he would like to participate. Just look at his instagram bio, among all the victories he highlighted only that he's Olympic champion in ITT.

 

[Carols]

Sorry Primoz fans but he is way past his prime and will never win the Tour unless Tadaj, Jonas, and Remco are not in the race. His best chance of winning the TdF was when he was in his prime and beaten by a still developing Tadaj. Now Tadaj is even stronger than when he won his first TdF and Primoz is weaker, and will continue to get weaker year after year unless he finds he is missing something in his training and nutrition. But I think Visma would have identified any training or nutritional shortfalls when he was still riding for them.

If you took the name Remco out I might have read further.....

 

[Rackham]

Before any talk of going to the Olympics, we also need to see how he's recovered from his injuries.

I'm all for dreaming about Rog winning stuff but we haven't yet heard anything from him since his Tour DNF.

How well he's recovering will likely be a big factor regarding what comes next.

 

[acm]

IIRC Denk said in podcast, that they will call him today and tomorrow he can tell more how he's doing.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Meh, it's over, not even a sour taste in the mouth any more, an afterthought. I am already sold on Olympics and races to come further down in the season.

Lets do it!

 

[benzwire]

Going out on a crazy tangent here, but I have always secretly hoped the Roglic would attempt the Nordic Combined in the Winter Olympic Games (Ski Jumping/XC Skiing). With his aerobic engine, he has the foundaton to be damn good at xc skiing and he certainly has the ski jumping past. Would this be something he could legitimately attempt if he had the desire? I think it would be awesome!

 

[Berniece]

Meh, it's over, not even a sour taste in the mouth any more, an afterthought. I am already sold on Olympics and races to come further down in the season.

Lets do it!

What do you expect from him during the Olympics? He won’t win a medal in any discipline since both routes aren’t suited to him at all

 

[Gargamel35]

I think he'll skip the Olimpics. There is nothing there for him. Maybe only the experience to be there again and to ride with his buddy Tratnik.

Any news how he is at all?

 

[svit]

Roglic will skip the Olympics due to injuries and because the road race doesn't suit him.

 

[acm]

Roglic will skip the Olympics due to injuries and because the road race doesn't suit him.

Is that your opinion or official information?

 

[yaco]

Is that your opinion or official information?

The team for the Olympics RR is Pogacar, Mohoric, Mezgec and Tratnik.

 

[acm]

The team for the Olympics RR is Pogacar, Mohoric, Mezgec and Tratnik.

Provisional. Final decision will be taken after TdF.

 

[CyclistAbi]

What do you expect from him during the Olympics? He won’t win a medal in any discipline since both routes aren’t suited to him at all

That is one way of looking at it.

More realistic view being, for one, because Rogla wants to? As in the end that is all it really takes. An assessment from Rogla about health and desire to do the Olympics.

From sports side of thing i don't know on why adding Rogla in would reduce anybody else chances. It's a small team to begin with and as such not able to control the race in any meaningful way. Moho likely being in equation to try something, just as Pogi. Tratnik likely the most capable of actually doing something for the team. Saying Luka can do more, for team as a whole, then Rogla. IMHO no.

As for winning or winning a medal. It's a one day race hence at such races Rogla has all the tools at his disposal, inclouding going all out on some smallish hill or sprinting in reduced bunch. Here there is really nothing holding him back, when needed, so here Rogla is as good as any. Lets not forget he is a LBL winner, last monument winner for the team JV/Visma.

So what are my expectations, if Rogla goes to the Olympics. My expectations are for Rogla to be up there, at the finale. An expectation simmilar to just as any other pre race favorite. IMHO. But OK, lets wait on the decisions being made first, and lets take it from there, we don't have that much insight to talk conclusive ATM.

In about weeks time we will know.

 

[Berniece]

That is one way of looking at it.

More realistic view being, for one, because Rogla wants to? As in the end that is all it really takes. An assessment from Rogla about health and desire to do the Olympics.

From sports side of thing i don't know on why adding Rogla in would reduce anybody else chances. It's a small team to begin with and as such not able to control the race in any meaningful way. Moho likely being in equation to try something, just as Pogi. Tratnik likely the most capable of actually doing something for the team. Saying Luka can do more, for team as a whole, then Rogla. IMHO no.

As for winning or winning a medal. It's a one day race hence at such races Rogla has all the tools at his disposal, inclouding going all out on some smallish hill or sprinting in reduced bunch. Here there is really nothing holding him back, when needed, so here Rogla is as good as any. Lets not forget he is a LBL winner, last monument winner forthe team JV/Visma.

So what are my expectations, if Rogla goes to the Olympics. My expectations are for Rogla to be up there, at the finale. An expectation simmilar to just as any other pre race favorite. IMHO. But OK, lets wait on the decisions being made first, and lets take it from there, we don't have that much insight to talk conclusive ATM.

In about weeks time we will know.

Well that's not going to happen. He needs to focus on the Vuelta, there is no role for him at all during the Olympics. He would be clutter on the road, and this wouldn't help with his prep for the Vuelta.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Well that's not going to happen. He needs to focus on the Vuelta, there is no role for him at all during the Olympics. He would be clutter on the road, and this wouldn't help with his prep for the Vuelta.

It's to soon to have such conversations, ATM i don't feel the Olympic spirit just yet. It's building up, though.

P.S. If you insist, just make sure that Remco doesn't finish behind, talking about the clutter.

 

[Berniece]

It's to soon to have such conversations, ATM i don't feel the Olympic spirit just yet. It's building up, though.

P.S. If you insist, just make sure that Remco doesn't finish behind, talking about the clutter.

Remco has an actual chance of winning it. Not as big as MVDP, or others, but Roglic? This just isn't his type of course. I don't even know why as a fan you want him participating here instead of focusing completely on the Vuelta.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Berniece

If you would be a ski jumper fan, then you would totally understand this one. As for Rogličes chances, if he ends up participating, totally up to him, his decision, best to wait and see. Last time he participated there where big question marks involved too, and we all know on how that one ended. Roglič becoming an Olympic gold medallist.

All in all i will take some time of now, prepare good, then lets go full gas and lets do it, looking forward to that.

 

[Sciatic]

Now that the air has gone out of the competitive balloon in this Tour, and after Pogacar’s walkover win in the Giro, it seems criminal for cycling fans that Visma shut down what would have been a fierce battle between Roglic and Vingegaard (with Kuss trying to hang on) in last year’s Vuelta.

 

[red_flanders]

Now that the air has gone out of the competitive balloon in this Tour, and after Pogacar’s walkover win in the Giro, it seems criminal for cycling fans that Visma shut down what would have been a fierce battle between Roglic and Vingegaard (with Kuss trying to hang on) in last year’s Vuelta.

Yep. I think any time you don't let the road decide who's the strongest, you have a real problem. I get the motivations to give Sepp a win, but...they did give him the win. However one feels about it. Reasonable to say he deserved it, reasonable to say teams shouldn't attack one another, and also reasonable to say the strongest should have won.

To me the latter (merit by performance) is ultimately the most defensible position. I think Roglič was unfairly painted (in the US media anyway) as a bit of a villain in that case for arguing for his own ambitions. From his POV he got pushed out at the Tour, then had the Vuelta (his consolation) taken from him. Then again, if we apply the same metric (strongest should win) to the Tour team, he didn't really have any complaint that the team was all in on Vingo. And would he have ultimately beaten Vingo in the Vuelta? I dunno.

Tough situation. He did the right thing to leave. Bora simply didn't come together enough as a team for him to be competitive at the Tour this year, and the two mutants kinda made that moot. He's had a tough run the last few years.