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For context, Pantani put a full 1:30 seconds into noted climbing legend Bobby Julich, whose time was still in the Top 10 before yesterday. He was the best of the rest of the GC riders that day. I don’t think Pantani’s record was all that impressive on that particular climb, just that circumstances and race strategy have probably prevented it from being broken until yesterday. I don’t remember every finish I have seen at PdB, but the only other one I even remember being all that important was in 2007 when Contador vs The Chicken was a bunch of stop start accelerations. It was amazing to watch, but slowed them down.
Analysing crashes, 2021, 2022 and 2024 edition. So basically it's flat stages, on where disaster hit. It all started with getting crashed out while riding at the front, then three crashes happening somewhere in the belly of the peloton, some of them in the line of a chance meteor hitting. Going forward hence some risk will still be needed, at the end of flat stages, team keeping Rogla at the front. As for the rest of flat stages i feel the best strategy is to trade time for health and to ride further back in the peloton, to purposely avoid any risk. We'll see.
P.S. In 2023 Rogla didn't even had to crash out, he was not even selected, at 2024 edition he would likely be used to launch Jonas on stage 15, riding for Visma, all to no avail. So still some positives to take from it and to rather build on that, going forward. Crash and all taken into consideration, it's still better, then the alternative.
P.S. In 2023 Rogla didn't even had to crash out, he was not even selected, at 2024 edition he would likely be used to launch Jonas on stage 15, riding for Visma, all to no avail. So still some positives to take from it and to rather build on that, going forward. Crash and all taken into consideration, it's still better, then the alternative.
Question for him is if he wants to continue to chase the Tour pipe dream or if tries to maximize his palmares.
Maximize his palmarès with what?
Pog hinted he wanted to go back to the Giro. Vingegaard will try for the Vuelta at some point again (this year or next). Hell, Pog will probably try for the Vuelta at some point as well. Mrs. Vingegaard hinted last year Vingegaard could do all 3 GT's in one season (I read that in an article somewhere).
Everywhere you look, everywhere you turn, whenever you think you're alone... you're not. Pog & Vinge will be there to spoil the party.
The 'only' window he maybe has in this year's Vuelta but I won't hold my breath (just like the pros don't hold their breath when they're inhaling carbon monoxide at altitude training...).
Really hope he will make it to the Vuelta. He deserves a proper shot at a GT this year. I was being very sceptic and called him lucky to not sit further minutes behind Pog before the Pyrenees (and I stand by that), but his performance on stage 11 was an uplifting one in an otherwise mediocre year. Very high level and despite it not being being a "real" mountain stage, it was still hella hard. Now I know he won Dauphine, but I was not at all convinced by that performance, so the level is definitely still there somewhere if everything goes right, its just that we don't see that level that often anymore and the more worrying part is obviously that there's no way in hell you win against Pog and Vingegaard operating at these levels.
Think he can win the Vuelta this year depending on how long his crash and the injuries from that lingers him now.
Spring peak (he cannot retire without winning Fleche Wallone) + Vuelta (if you have to face Pog and/or Vinge do it when both of them aren't pushing july w/kg numbers).
Roglic should be fine in the Vuelta. Route is perfect for him and the field will be weak. No Vingegaard, Pogacar, Remco so he is the overwhelming favourite. UAE will be strong however.
I think Vinge will go to Vuelta if he looses TdF. And even Pog could go to Vuelta if he wins TdF to complete a 3 GT win streak.
Neither of them will go. Jonas and Trine are expecting 2nd child and we know how much family means to him, Pogi said a million times he won't go to Vuelta this year. WC is his bigger goal.
And why is he not getting stronger? I think that Bora is at least a level or two below Visma and UAE in terms of performance, nutrition... They don't even use ketones. They have good riders, but it seems like they are missing something to be even better. I hope they'll find that with RB.
When assessing i feel that Rogla doing the Tour 2025 is not even down to a choice, team would make him ride it regardless. Unless i guess Remco really joins the team and leadership issues emerge, then i guess anything is possible. Said that i feel that Rogla is still motivated, to invest the needed respect into this race. Likely he would even be prepared to sign for a new team in 2026, if pushed back in his current team, for the Tour 2025 edition.
Some things should be evaluated realistically, though. That is UAE and Visma are too far ahead, as teams. So even if Rogličes current team progresses, we are still around 5 years from the level of top 2 teams. I mean they were still strong at sector 1, gravel stage, the rest of them, all 13 of them, it was in between UAE and Visma. Moreover on when UAE and Visma started power playing, going up the hill, Roglič was isolated before any resemblance of mano a mano action started to happen. On top of that the team had one big goal in regards to this Tour edition and that is for Rogla not to crash, flat stages, and especially not to crash on his shoulder. It was not possible to prevent that.
So, considering the team will likely improve, but still far from UAE and Visma level, considering Rogla will likely invest needed respect and will prepare good for the Tour 2025 edition. Some other things need to change, to prevent such outcome. Promises, on how Rogla will be kept protected in the bunch, flat stages, he won't. Rather ride at the back of the bunch and reduce the level of respect invested in such stages. Rather trade time for health. On ITTs and on when launching of extraterrestrial(s) is imminent, then for Rogla to get a notification and saying here, hold my beer. Hopefully a team member at least to still be there, to hold his beer. For Rogla to finish it at the end of the stage.
Stomps and things like that, on a GT like Tour, that is out of the question now, much more important to keep consistency through the whole race.
As for national campaigns, seem like some people would be happy if fatigued Pogi would get a couple of helpers, for Olympics/Worlds RR. So obviously this must not happen and Rogla to be there, doing Rogla things.
Some things should be evaluated realistically, though. That is UAE and Visma are too far ahead, as teams. So even if Rogličes current team progresses, we are still around 5 years from the level of top 2 teams. I mean they were still strong at sector 1, gravel stage, the rest of them, all 13 of them, it was in between UAE and Visma. Moreover on when UAE and Visma started power playing, going up the hill, Roglič was isolated before any resemblance of mano a mano action started to happen. On top of that the team had one big goal in regards to this Tour edition and that is for Rogla not to crash, flat stages, and especially not to crash on his shoulder. It was not possible to prevent that.
So, considering the team will likely improve, but still far from UAE and Visma level, considering Rogla will likely invest needed respect and will prepare good for the Tour 2025 edition. Some other things need to change, to prevent such outcome. Promises, on how Rogla will be kept protected in the bunch, flat stages, he won't. Rather ride at the back of the bunch and reduce the level of respect invested in such stages. Rather trade time for health. On ITTs and on when launching of extraterrestrial(s) is imminent, then for Rogla to get a notification and saying here, hold my beer. Hopefully a team member at least to still be there, to hold his beer. For Rogla to finish it at the end of the stage.
Stomps and things like that, on a GT like Tour, that is out of the question now, much more important to keep consistency through the whole race.
As for national campaigns, seem like some people would be happy if fatigued Pogi would get a couple of helpers, for Olympics/Worlds RR. So obviously this must not happen and Rogla to be there, doing Rogla things.
But what about if Remco joins the team which seems plausible he will? Doubt he comes there without beeing able to choose his own program.When assessing i feel that Rogla doing the Tour 2025 is not even down to a choice, team would make him ride it regardless. Unless i guess Remco really joins the team and leadership issues emerge, then i guess anything is possible. Said that i feel that Rogla is still motivated, to invest the needed respect into this race. Likely he would even be prepared to sign for a new team in 2026, if pushed back in his current team, for the Tour 2025 edition.
Some things should be evaluated realistically, though. That is UAE and Visma are too far ahead, as teams. So even if Rogličes current team progresses, we are still around 5 years from the level of top 2 teams. I mean they were still strong at sector 1, gravel stage, the rest of them, all 13 of them, it was in between UAE and Visma. Moreover on when UAE and Visma started power playing, going up the hill, Roglič was isolated before any resemblance of mano a mano action started to happen. On top of that the team had one big goal in regards to this Tour edition and that is for Rogla not to crash, flat stages, and especially not to crash on his shoulder. It was not possible to prevent that.
So, considering the team will likely improve, but still far from UAE and Visma level, considering Rogla will likely invest needed respect and will prepare good for the Tour 2025 edition. Some other things need to change, to prevent such outcome. Promises, on how Rogla will be kept protected in the bunch, flat stages, he won't. Rather ride at the back of the bunch and reduce the level of respect invested in such stages. Rather trade time for health. On ITTs and on when launching of extraterrestrial(s) is imminent, then for Rogla to get a notification and saying here, hold my beer. Hopefully a team member at least to still be there, to hold his beer. For Rogla to finish it at the end of the stage.
Stomps and things like that, on a GT like Tour, that is out of the question now, much more important to keep consistency through the whole race.
As for national campaigns, seem like some people would be happy if fatigued Pogi would get a couple of helpers, for Olympics/Worlds RR. So obviously this must not happen and Rogla to be there, doing Rogla things.
Lets first see on how it goes, it's not like Rogla has much control over that. If Rogla would be pushed back, Tour 2025, then in my opinion he could still sign for a different team going into 2026 season, that is if the Tour ambition would still be going strong.
What Rogla can do, though, is he can keep being competitive. That part is on him and that is on what Rogla has the most influence on and control over. Until Rogla can stay competitive i feel that he will get chances, one way or another.
Will be interesting to see if he does the Olympics. He has no chance of a result and Pog is presumably gonna be the leader there
In my opinion it's a must, to be there and to do Rogla things. As for your sentiment, supposedly yes, that is on how the narrative goes. Time to put a stomp on that.
Im doubting Pogacar in the OL but Roglic maybe too duo to the crash and the effects from that. The OL is not far away. But would be nice to see Roglic do well there, I think he will win the Vuelta and that would be awesome.
Yes very true but if Remco is coming which I believe he will ofcourse be influenced by that.
According to the Olympics thread, the deadline for team announcements for the Olympics was 8/7. So... probably not.
Pogi si doing Olympic RR. Only question remaining is will he have 2 or 3 helpers.
It would be interesting for sure, on how it would unfold i don't know, could be positive or it could end up being negative. Lets wait till August, on where such things will get officially announced.
Provisional. The final decision will be made after the Tour.
Meant I doubt how he will perform there after the Giro-Tour double was what I meant sorry.
I guess your right it can be positive actually too that's true. Lets see yeah
I've got a feeling of... fatalism right now.
Looking forwards to the future, what concerns me is the barriers Pog & Vinge have punched through. It's an entirely different level now. God knows how fast the peloton is going to be racing next spring, i.e. yesterday's "wow look how crazy fact Pog's climb is!" becomes next year's normal.
In that world, guys like Rog find it harder & harder to exist. Too many rockets, basically. So IMO based on what we know, the upcoming Vuelta really does start to look like the last great opportunity to add a 5th GT to his name.
But even then, there's likely to be a swarm of UAE riders hellbent on getting their own personal glory (Yates, Ayuso, Almeida etc.).
We'll see. Recency bias is still strong (as is the impression of invincibility Pog & Vinge have demonstrated in this Tour in which they've jumped a level from last year).
Well, it's Pogi. But i do agree that fatigue is inevitable. So having Rogla there, back in the bunch, plan B, that will likely prove to be beneficial. We'll see.
Realistically, if health allows for it, Rogla must unleash the third week monster, considering Olympics RR is 19 days away, perfect target. Over the ultimate climb or in reduced bunch sprint, it has to go.
Then onto the future.
Then onto the future.
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