After seeing 2nd placed rider in TdF crying on the line, i can respect MAN like Remco or Roglič so much more. These guys don't have it to win it all, yet they are fighting and crashing like hell. And not crying to their wifes/girlfriend about it.
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Lol, Roglic never showed to be able to climb at this levelHuge missed opportunity for second sadly, Vinge is cooked and Remco always been a level below Roglics peak climbing.
Oh well
Lol, Remco has never beaten Rog.Lol, Roglic never showed to be able to climb at this level
Yes, Roglic in this race would be very interesting. My guess is he would sit at 4th 1-2 minutes behind Evenepoel, but it would add another element. I think Remco thinks 2nd now though, so tomorrow QS will have to make the race if Remco is up for itThe race is missing him so f*cking badly. Pogacar would dominate regardless but right now every single rider in the top ten is happy about where they are, except maybe Rodriguez who just isn't strong enough. Nobody has any interest in doing anything.
Nobody can do anything, even if they want to.The race is missing him so f*cking badly. Pogacar would dominate regardless but right now every single rider in the top ten is happy about where they are, except maybe Rodriguez who just isn't strong enough. Nobody has any interest in doing anything.
I don't think it really matters. Had he been in a position where he needed to attack, I doubt he tries much more than Evenepoel did here. Had he been in a position where others needed to attack him, I doubt Evenepoel and Vingegaard had much more in them than they showed today.The race is missing him so f*cking badly. Pogacar would dominate regardless but right now every single rider in the top ten is happy about where they are, except maybe Rodriguez who just isn't strong enough. Nobody has any interest in doing anything.
Hmmm. His forte seems to be riding a pace in a group or in the wheel and using his powerful sprint to grab seconds at the line. Not sure how that would have changed the dynamics of the race that much. Maybe he pulls another 12-20 seconds in bonuses? Maybe none? I mean it would have been a bit more interesting if he was in the race, but I don't see where the "race is missing him so badly".The race is missing him so f*cking badly. Pogacar would dominate regardless but right now every single rider in the top ten is happy about where they are, except maybe Rodriguez who just isn't strong enough. Nobody has any interest in doing anything.
I would say that is his best relative strength and the strategy he uses when he thinks it will be successful, which is often, but he has shown a willingness to ride aggressively (some would say recklessly) when he thinks that is necessary to win. See how he crashed out of the 2023 Vuelta. Often, though, he either has it (mountain sprint) or does not (hangs in until he cracks), so he hasn't showcased that too much. I think we would have seen some interesting moves, attacking over the top of penultimate climbs, etc. But Remco did make a similar type move yesterday so I wouldn't say everyone is being complacent. Vingegaard has certainly tried, too.Hmmm. His forte seems to be riding a pace in a group or in the wheel and using his powerful sprint to grab seconds at the line. Not sure how that would have changed the dynamics of the race that much. Maybe he pulls another 12-20 seconds in bonuses? Maybe none? I mean it would have been a bit more interesting if he was in the race, but I don't see where the "race is missing him so badly".
The race macro-dynamics have been a dominant Pogi, a shockingly strong but fading Vingo, and a surprisingly strong and consistent Remco. At best he would have been in there with them, at worst...well the worst happened unfortunately. Looking at what he actually did in the race, he just wasn't quite as strong as the others, but not far off.
I don't think we're saying anything different about what his main tactic is and what his strengths are. I said "forte", you said often...I would say that is his best relative strength and the strategy he uses when he thinks it will be successful, which is often, but he has shown a willingness to ride aggressively (some would say recklessly) when he thinks that is necessary to win. See how he crashed out of the 2023 Vuelta. Often, though, he either has it (mountain sprint) or does not (hangs in until he cracks), so he hasn't showcased that too much. I think we would have seen some interesting moves, attacking over the top of penultimate climbs, etc. But Remco did make a similar type move yesterday so I wouldn't say everyone is being complacent. Vingegaard has certainly tried, too.
And I agree, Vingo and Remco have not been complacent. They're just at the limit, they've done all they can.
Is that what I said? I made a comment about Vingo and Remco, in response to a comment which I quoted. Had nothing to do with Roglič. It was a comment about their efforts over the last couple of days, Roglič is literally not in the race.So you assume that would be enough? To hold Rogla back? Anyway, there will be races to come and for such dynamics to again be at play.
Your general point in this post is reasonable, even if I disagree with your position. You do see however, that you didn't make this general comment last time, you asked a very specific question which totally misrepresented my comment, a comment which had nothing to do with Roglič. That's a strawman. Not the first time.@red_flanders
No, nothing got lost in translations. @Gigs_98 argued still having Rogla in the race would likely attribute to different dynamics, compared to now on when things look settled. Your respond went more in the direction that no, it wouldn't make much difference at this point.
In my opinion it woudl make all the difference. That is if Rogla would be fighting to finish in top 5, he would make a move today or tomorrow, if Rogla would be fighting to finish on the podium, he would make a move today or tomorrow, if Rogla would be fighting to finish second overall, he would make a move today or tomorrow, if he would still be in position to win the overall, he would make a move today or tomorrow.
Like he always has in the past. So the dynamics would indeed likely be different. After all, he already finished second, at the Tour, he want to finish higher.
What?P.S. Apparently Rogla was almost hit by a car, one day before his Olympics Tokyo ITT performance. Training on the route was made possible and public traffic was there too. Damn.