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[red_flanders]

Freddy boy moved just as far to the left as Roglic did to the right. they were both going for the wheel in front of them, which Roglic had more of a right to because he was already ahead. you'd know if you raced a bike, the rider with his handlebars in front has the right to his position.

It's all on video. Wright was already on the wheel, on the right side of the road. The riders in front of him all moved slightly left, moving slightly closer to Roglic who had peeled completely off and was riding down the left side. The wheel in front of Wright at that point became a small opening. Because he was gassed, and because he wasn't paying enough attention, Roglic moves way too far right and tried to dive into a gap that didn't exist by the time he got there. He hit Wright behind the elbow (behind him, meaning he has zero right to be in that spot) and crashes himself out of the best move he'd made in the whole race.

Then had the nerve to blame Wright. Ridiculous.

 

[Oldermanish]

This was a terribly unlucky year for him but I think age and injury are catching up and he is now on the decline. I'd be surprised if he ever goes in the tour again.

First things, first. He's pro under contract and he'll need to ride soon to be considered in form for any race. Froome's injuries were extremely difficult for recovery and the time lost was extreme.

If he actually has a back injury of some sort that's not only healed but has had enough therapy to be stable the Vuelta is not the place to test it out.

 

[zlev11]

It's all on video. Wright was already on the wheel, on the right side of the road. The riders in front of him all moved slightly left, moving slightly closer to Roglic who had peeled completely off and was riding down the left side. The wheel in front of Wright at that point became a small opening. Because he was gassed, and because he wasn't paying enough attention, Roglic moves way too far right and tried to dive into a gap that didn't exist by the time he got there. He hit Wright behind the elbow (behind him, meaning he has zero right to be in that spot) and crashes himself out of the best move he'd made in the whole race.

Then had the nerve to blame Wright. Ridiculous.

Freddy was boxed in (by Roglic, sure) and tried to move left with Roglic still next to him, idk what else to say other than "it's all on video".

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEi7xFY0Qw
(you can see from this vid that Wright is never on anyone's wheel, in fact he's overlapping wheels with DVP to his left while Roglic is further left. then Roglic is placed in a good spot to take DVP's wheel when the line swings left. i think he was just trying to get in a wheel to keep the same time, not trying to outsprint anyone).

the line swings left and it gives Roglic the wheel and boxes Fred. i honestly don't understand how anyone could still blame Roglic after seeing this angle. Wright goes from almost on the barrier to halfway between the barrier and the white line. Roglic moves slightly away from the white line but it looks worse because the initial contact with Wright makes his bike swerve to the right. maybe if Roglic wasn't around Wright could've outsprinted Mads Pederson, Pascal Ackermann and Danny Van Poppel while starting from 4th in line? the world will never know.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Freddy was boxed in (by Roglic, sure) and tried to move left with Roglic still next to him, idk what else to say other than "it's all on video".

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEi7xFY0Qw
(you can see from this vid that Wright is never on anyone's wheel, in fact he's overlapping wheels with DVP to his left while Roglic is further left). the line swings left and it gives Roglic the wheel and boxes Fred. maybe if Roglic wasn't around Wright could've outsprinted Mads Pederson, Pascal Ackermann and Danny Van Poppel while starting from 4th in line? the world will never know.

If only there was a line on the road to judge who is deviating here…

 

[CyclistAbi]

I feel that when it comes to Roglič vs Wright we got the epilogue of that at the Tour 2024 with van Aert vs Philipsen duels. Said that and IMHO there was no intent involved, when it came to Roglič, on where Philipsen did it intentionally and had to change his ways. All in all and back in the Roglič vs Wright era the peloton was just not mature enough. Whole situation was solvable without involving the crash. Standard procedure in this modern era being use brakes and relegation. On where back in the day standard procedure was hold your line and push through regardless of the outcome, as it was not like anybody will blame you for it. Where things got moot is there isn't always intent involved, like it was with Philipsen. In such case crashing out the rider, by racing in such fashion, well, it's simply not justified any more. Not to mention Rogla was still an overall GC contender at that point. That in my opinion should be respected by the fellow riders.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Honestly, the most baffling thing about that crash is how little contact it took for Roglič to fall over.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Honestly, the most baffling thing about that crash is how little contact it took for Roglič to fall over.

Nah. A knee in your handlebar will almost always crash you. Nothing baffling about that.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

We need to stop talking about the crash from that day in Spain, it is an accident between two guys who sprint next to each other. We mustnt forget the real controversy that happened, which was remcos fake puncture.!!!

 

[veganrob]

First things, first. He's pro under contract and he'll need to ride soon to be considered in form for any race. Froome's injuries were extremely difficult for recovery and the time lost was extreme.

If he actually has a back injury of some sort that's not only healed but has had enough therapy to be stable the Vuelta is not the place to test it out.

I'm basing part of my opinion on his inability to stay on his bike. The crashes just keep coming for him. At some point you have to ask is it just bad luck or him.
And Bora may have another GC rider for the tour next year. Just sayin'.

 

[red_flanders]

Freddy was boxed in...

No. Wright had every right to the position he was in and remained in.

Roglic took a pull, then pulled off. His only rightful place in that group, without permission from a rider in the group, is on the back. He's an experienced bike racer, he knows this, he just panicked trying to still win. Made a dumb move, paid for it.

This isn't even a close call.

 

[zlev11]

No. Wright had every right to the position he was in and remained in.

Roglic took a pull, then pulled off. His only rightful place in that group, without permission from a rider in the group, is on the back. He's an experienced bike racer, he knows this, he just panicked trying to still win. Made a dumb move, paid for it.

This isn't even a close call.

he panicked trying to win? he thought he was going to outsprint Ackermann and Pedersen? the only one deluded enough to think that in that group was Fred. watch the video, Fred was out of position trying to get in front of DVP when Roglic pulled off. he couldn't get there and boxed himself in.

Fred is on not on anyones wheel here.

"his rightful place in line" doesn't apply anymore, they're in the last 200 meters. this isn't a paceline 2k from the finish, the sprint is underway. Roglic is trying to hang onto the group to get the same time. Fred couldn't win the stage anymore due to his own poor position (and much faster opponents), so what the f*ck was he doing?

 

[red_flanders]

Fred couldn't win the stage anymore due to his own poor position (and much faster opponents), so what the f*ck was he doing?

Saying he had poor position is just a biased way of saying "he was the last in the group at the time the sprint was winding up". Frankly an absurd position to take, pun intended. That he was last and had the wheel is a great position compared to trying to jam into a position and running into a guy, clearly behind him.

Quite similar to the Koretsky running into Pidcock, except Pidcock was making a pass, not just holding his position.

Anyway, enjoy. If someone can watch that and seriously come away thinking Wright did anything wrong (pun intended) than...well...[[deleted]

I took no pleasure in watching it at the time. But when he and his fans started not only defending it, but attacking Wright. Well then you gotta laugh at the guy crashing himself out like a fool.

 

[joe_papp]

No! How can he be favorite when he didn’t cycle properly for 4 weeks +

I wish I knew! But the bookies certainly think he's the favorite!

Who cares about expectations, hope is all we need.

On the Vuelta topic... its hard to have him as clear favourite, this is similar to 2022, when he also had fractured vertebra and was questionable for Vuelta and then won by bonus seconds vs Carapaz.
Carapaz is also one of the favourites for me, maybe more so than Kuss. He has shown he can do it and his form in the Tour was certainly going up towards the end.

Interesting! See above. [note: just put .16u on Carapaz to win at +2200. I'll buy you a beer if he does!]

IMO he is now the 4th best GC rider behind Pogi, Vingo and now Remco ... but there again, IMO Nibali was the 3rd best (Froome, Contador) in 2014 starting the TDF, so there is always a chance.

As far as this years Vuelta goes, since those other 3 aren't riding, he should be the favorite. Of course he has to start and even if he does, what will be the effect of not training properly?

Odds makers have him at 2 to 1, whereas one can get both Kuss and Yates at 5 to 1. Given the current odds and the little known about his injury situation, I think Kuss and Yates are much better bets.

All good points. I like the guy who likes Carapaz to win at +2200 tho!

Really hope Roglic makes a good recovery and gets his form back. I know it's always been part of the sport, but it's very unsatisfying to see a champion hobbled by crash-related injury.

 

[Divergence]

There is one pretty deluded member posting about Wright, but OK I will repeat what I wrote two years ago. Wright saw Rog, did not give him space and braced for impact and crashed Rog out. It is clear that Wright had the opportunity to avoid the crash yet he did not. I know that every racer has the right to race for first place and should not be expected to give any quarter but what Wright did is pure reckless and not to mention he was never going to win anyways.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Fred is on not on anyones wheel here.

And Roglič is? Or does he have built-in right of way?

 

[acm]

Nah. A knee in your handlebar will almost always crash you. Nothing baffling about that.

And especially not funny.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

When Fred wright saw that a quiet, modest, authentic person and gracious champion like Primo Roglic had dived across the road to fight him for van poppels wheel, he should have simply stopped pedaling and climbed off his bike, abandoning the race. This would have stopped the crash

 

[yaco]

Carapaz has failed in GC since finishing 2nd to Hindley in the 2022 Giro, so I have no expectations on his performance.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Carapaz has failed in GC since finishing 2nd to Hindley in the 2022 Giro, so I have no expectations on his performance.

Brother he crashed out in 2023 on the first stage and was obviously not in great shape at all in the first part of Tour de France due to sickness and inability to train properly. He has showed this year that he still has the top-level to compete for a GT where the top riders are not present

He's definitely one of the favorites

 

[dazaau]

Provisional ranking:

* * * * * - Yates, A.
* * * * - Rogla, Kuss
* * * - Landa, Mas, Almeida
* * - Carapaz, Carlito, Geoghegan Hart, Del Toro
* - Bernal, Uijtdebroeks, Skjelmose, Riccitello, Van Eetvelt

So if Roglic's form is really off and goes he risks losing to kuss again. The horror

 

[Red Rick]

Think there's a chance they're playing possum a bit and simply prefer a hard training block over CSS.

 

[Faserr]

Don Lorang from Bora (head of performance) has a story with Roglic and Vlasov training together "somewhere in France". I think Roglic will start.

 

[Lequack]

He has started riding gravel. It was bound to happen one day, just like Valverde.

 

[Red Rick]

He has started riding gravel. It was bound to happen one day, just like Valverde.

Of all the top road riders I'd like to see beat up Unbound, Roglic' would be funniest for his bike handling reputation

 

[CyclistAbi]

No. Wright had every right to the position he was in and remained in.

Roglic took a pull, then pulled off. His only rightful place in that group, without permission from a rider in the group, is on the back. He's an experienced bike racer, he knows this, he just panicked trying to still win. Made a dumb move, paid for it.

This isn't even a close call.

What is important here, future racing, is to emphasize that rider coming from behind, can still chose to use brakes. To solve the situation and after to result to relegation if appropriate. Like van Aert did in his duels with Philipsen. Defending the line at all cost, that is not appropriate behaviour for modern pro peloton any more. As there is always tomorrow and another opportunity involved, compared to months of rehabilitation needed in between. As if you race like that, then sure, you might crash a rider out and true most fans likely won't blame you for it, but rest assured tomorrow is your turn, to do the crashing.