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[Armchair Cyclist]

Mod:

Bunch of non-Roglic-focussed Vuelta predictions moved to https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/vuelta-2024-discussion.39841/page-7#post-3074622

 

[red_flanders]

What is important here, future racing, is to emphasize that rider coming from behind, can still chose to use brakes. To solve the situation and after to result to relegation if appropriate. Like van Aert did in his duels with Philipsen. Defending the line at all cost, that is not appropriate behaviour for modern pro peloton any more. As there is always tomorrow and another opportunity involved, compared to months of rehabilitation needed in between. As if you race like that, then sure, you might crash a rider out and true most fans likely won't blame you for it, but rest assured tomorrow is your turn, to do the crashing.

Wow, a new level of victim-blaming, congrats. Now he defended his line "at all costs". Now we must protect the other riders, not ourselves. Incredible.

That or he didn't see him until the last second because Roglic came from the other side of the road and hit him ...wait for it...from behind. But sure, compare it to Phillipsen closing the door on the barriers from ahead, after he moved past Wout and they'd been side by side for several seconds. You do realize in that situation, Wout slows to save...himself. Not Phillipsen.

The rationalizations are fascinating.

 

[ManicJack]

The rationalizations are fascinating.

On both sides 🙄

 

[Berniece]

Was Fred Wright sanctioned after the stage?

 

[Lequack]

 

[Valv.Piti]

Its inevitable that he will ride the Vuelta at his point. There's no point not doing so, so the only question is how fit he actually will be? Maybe around 2022-levels which still could be enough to win the race.

 

[zlev11]

When Fred wright saw that a quiet, modest, authentic person and gracious champion like Primo Roglic had dived across the road to fight him for van poppels wheel, he should have simply stopped pedaling and climbed off his bike, abandoning the race. This would have stopped the crash

yes, thank you

 

[yaco]

Brother he crashed out in 2023 on the first stage and was obviously not in great shape at all in the first part of Tour de France due to sickness and inability to train properly. He has showed this year that he still has the top-level to compete for a GT where the top riders are not present

He's definitely one of the favorites

What happened at the 2022 Vuelta. Rode for GC and was awful in the first week and then recovered to win three stages from breakaways. Then he did not race for GC in the 2024 TDF. I have little confidence in his GC at the Vuelta. Maybe he will prove me wrong.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Wow, a new level of victim-blaming, congrats. Now he defended his line "at all costs". Now we must protect the other riders, not ourselves. Incredible.

OK so in your opinion Wright didn't defend his line? What was he doing then? And in your opinion a rider in the peloton has no real obligation to try to avoid a crash regardless of the fault?

Is that what you are saying?

That or he didn't see him until the last second because Roglic came from the other side of the road and hit him ...wait for it...from behind. But sure, compare it to Phillipsen closing the door on the barriers from ahead, after he moved past Wout and they'd been side by side for several seconds. You do realize in that situation, Wout slows to save...himself. Not Phillipsen.

The rationalizations are fascinating.

Well, if you will no go claiming it was Roglič that came from behind and crashed into Wright whom didn't see Roglič.

Now you have to admit we are entering X files here?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz2wnSVeITg

 

[CyclistAbi]

When Fred wright saw that a quiet, modest, authentic person and gracious champion like Primo Roglic had dived across the road to fight him for van poppels wheel, he should have simply stopped pedaling and climbed off his bike, abandoning the race. This would have stopped the crash

Pretty much.

P.S. That is on how respect is earned, foot in the ass, not so much.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I'm basing part of my opinion on his inability to stay on his bike.

Some still believe the earth is flat, not much one can do about that. Maybe a balloon ride could help, but in the end it would likely take too many balloon rides. To settle this one.

 

[velaso montador]

I'm basing part of my opinion on his inability to stay on his bike.

Roglic crash almost every race he enter in a peloton these days. If I was a SD I would direct my captain to ride on the other side of the rode as Roglic, like legit.
(How many times did he crash in Basque in 4 stages? and then the Tour were most even expected he would crash again before the start..)

At this point its not a coincidence anymore he is simply not a good rider in the peloton on his older days, happens when youve crashed a few times to many you get scared.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@velaso montador

Nah, Rogla is just good at crashing. It comes with the age.

 

[velaso montador]

@velaso montador

Nah, Rogla is just good at crashing. It comes with the age.

I dont know why if its cause many bad crashes and you get scared or age or both I dont know, happened to Contador to at his older days to some degree I dont know why but it is the case for Roglic for sure, unfortunately.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I dont know why if its cause many bad crashes and you get scared or age or both I dont know, happened to Contador to at his older days to some degree I dont know why but it is the case for Roglic, unfortunately.

Yeah. It's not even as important, considering Rogla won everything there is to win. Tour is still resisting but in the end it's just another stage race and Rogla is good at those. The real reason, on why Rogla didn't at minimum podium at the Tour, last 4 editions, that likely comes down to personality. That is Rogla could have just as easily avoid a crash by putting his foot in Omi & Opi ass, Colbrelli ass, Lucenko ass, haybale straw ... But that is just not him. He will win the Tour under his own terms, Tour won't change on who he is.

Go Rogla!

 

[CyclistAbi]

So Janja, like Leon, now already at two, Rogla only at one. She gets to eat Rogljič!

 

[red_flanders]

On both sides 🙄

Easy to say, sounds clever. Based in anything real? Nope.

 

[red_flanders]

OK so in your opinion Wright didn't defend his line?

No, that is not my opinion. Did I say that?

HIS line. Glad we have that cleared up.

What was he doing then? And in your opinion a rider in the peloton has no real obligation to try to avoid a crash regardless of the fault?

What was Wright doing? Trying to spring for the win when someone blew it and ran into him. He hardly had time to see the guy, until Roglic was crashing into the back half of his bike from meters off the line.

This line about riders being obligated to move out of the way of an out-of-control rider, it sounds fairly unhinged. It's not a thing. That's not a blanket statement about "a rider" or "no real obligation". None of that is remotely relevant.

Is that what you are saying?



Well, if you will no go claiming it was Roglič that came from behind and crashed into Wright whom didn't see Roglič.

Now you have to admit we are entering X files here?

I don't know what this means. Roglic hit Wright behind his elbow from meters off his line. Again. You're literally watching it.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@red_flanders

First of all sorry, i didn't know, that you actually seriously believe or claim on how Wright was the one that didn't see Roglič and on top of that suggesting Roglič is the one coming from behind and crashing into Wright? If i would knew that from the start we indeed could focus just on this aspect of it. I thought you were simply joking, mentioning that in your last reply. What on earth made you believe that? Did you by any chance just watch some out of context clips on the internet? As honestly i don't see it, on where you could possibly come to such conclusions as you did.

In short, just NO. No way that was the case. Wright has seen Roglič all along, even prepared his knee for the impact. And no, Roglič wasn't coming from behind. In the gist of it that is on what actually happened.

The only positive sign, for us to reach any sort of agreement, hence being, if your version of the story would actually be true and in it you blame Roglič for it. Then surely Wright wouldn't be totally of the hook. In that other reality, on where the roles would be reversed.

So lets at least agree on that and call it a day.

 

[ManicJack]

Easy to say, sounds clever. Based in anything real? Nope.

Yeah, what would I know. You're the only one here with any experience racing bikes.

 

[zlev11]

cant believe this guy is still arguing about this Fred Wright pannekoek. i guess it's been awhile since he's been able to see him finish 4th out of a group of 5 so he has to get his jimmies off in this thread. go get some fresh air dogg. dont you race bikes???

 

[Berniece]

Was Fred Wright sanctioned after the stage?

 

[joe_papp]

Carapaz has failed in GC since finishing 2nd to Hindley in the 2022 Giro, so I have no expectations on his performance.

At +2200 [implied probability of approx 4%]. neither do I! Still genuinely placed the bet though. hehe

Anyway, after reading the recent cn report, including comments below, it doesn't look good for PR to contend at the Vuelta, eh? Not exactly the kind of race (or injury) you can use to "ride into form" (or "heal"!).

“Primoz is not in good shape yet,” sports director Patxi Vila told El Diario Vasco on Wednesday before his non-start in San Sebastian was confirmed. “He’s still got pains in his back after falling in the Tour.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

This thread have made me lose all hope in humanity

 

[CyclistAbi]

Was Fred Wright sanctioned after the stage?

The point here is the blame game is actually rather useless as the result is still the same, crashes and injuries involved. It's about raising awareness and through it changing future behaviour. As a member of the pro peloton, doing something foolish, you should be able to rely on your fellow pelotoner, to cover your back. To act appropriately and to kindly remind you, through relegation, you need to up your game. At Tour 2024 Wout already setting an example. It's a process.

Even we, the fans, on the opposite sides of the opinion now came to the same conclusions. That is although we see rider A and rider B in reversed roles, on who sees who and who is coming from behind, and things like that. Who cares, what we ended up agreeing on is the rider that had better overview, on what was going on, had some other options at disposal. That is using brakes and resulting to relegation. A golden standard in such situations. As back in the day they just went through, regardless. Fans loved it, till the morning after.