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Irrespective of who was at fault between Wright/Roglic incident, the latter would do well to apply some extra precautions to avoid contact as much as possible in the future. Sure, we can say it was only a lot of bad luck and maybe it was but still, you can race in a way where bad luck has less opportunity to affect you. And Rogla doesn't seem to be doing that at the moment. He still finds himself on the outside of corners next to some questionable bike handlers in the inside line or in the middle of the pack instead of at the front, etc. He (and his team) simply needs to do more to stay out of trouble. And if that means giving extra 0.5 meter space to Wright just in case f**** up and changes direction, then just do it already...

Even if none of it is Rogla's fault, he still fails to keep himself out of trouble and it's no use looking for excuses elsewhere. He needs to maximise his chances to stay on the bike because this is starting to define his career, really...
 
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We had long discussion about this and i feel that this should really be settled now. For the ones that actually want it to be settled.

What should have happened instead is Wright should have used the brakes and Rogla, if Wright felt this would be an appropriate action, to make an appeal after the race and to get Rogla relegated.

People claiming otherwise IMHO don't really want it to settle. And tend to came up with some sci-fi alternatives, purely for entertaining purposes.

As for Rogla and crashes and keeping out of trouble. Well, good luck with that, it's impossible. For Rogla or any other rider involved in the pro peloton. So governing bodies really should start implementing injury preventing measures. This area was neglected in the past 100 years or so. Helmet basically being the only positive story in regards to injury prevention measure taken that made a huge difference.

Anyway, somehow even if Rogla decides to ride at the back of the bunch, Tour 2025, on the exposed sections, that still isn't any real guarantee, for a crash and an injury not to affect the outcome. And that is true for Rogla and the rest of the bunch. So best not to expect from Rogla, to be some kind of superman, for him to individually resolve much here. Riding at front, belly, back ... You can easily get injured and that doesn't apply only for Rogla. Lets not forget big 3 out of 4 basically came to the Tour 2024 out of a hospital.

So, Rogla, just be Rogla. Control what you can control and let the fans worry about the rest. On how supposedly an individual rider can control all that much if to get injured or not on some race. Basically all of Rogličes crashes at the Tour from 2021 and onwards were out of his control. It was some other action that triggered it, Rogla was just there. Saying that well, Rogla could have done something about it, for not be there. Sure. He shouldn't have been at the front, middle or at the back ... Jeez.
 
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We had long discussion about this and i feel that this should really be settled now. For the ones that actually want it to be settled.

What should have happened instead is Wright should have used the brakes and Rogla, if Wright felt this would be an appropriate action, to make an appeal after the race and to get Rogla relegated.

People claiming otherwise IMHO don't really want it to settle. And tend to came up with some sci-fi alternatives, purely for entertaining purposes.

As for Rogla and crashes and keeping out of trouble. Well, good luck with that, it's impossible. For Rogla or any other rider involved in the pro peloton. So governing bodies really should start implementing injury preventing measures. This area was neglected in the past 100 years or so. Helmet basically being the only positive story in regards to injury prevention measure taken that made a huge difference.

Anyway, somehow even if Rogla decides to ride at the back of the bunch, Tour 2025, on the exposed sections, that still isn't any real guarantee, for a crash and an injury not to affect the outcome. And that is true for Rogla and the rest of the bunch. So best not to expect from Rogla, to be some kind of superman, for him to individually resolve much here. Riding at front, belly, back ... You can easily get injured and that doesn't apply only for Rogla. Lets not forget big 3 out of 4 basically came to the Tour 2024 out of a hospital.

So, Rogla, just be Rogla. Control what you can control and let the fans worry about the rest. On how supposedly an individual rider can control all that much if to get injured or not on some race. Basically all of Rogličes crashes at the Tour from 2021 and onwards were out of his control. It was some other action that triggered it, Rogla was just there. Saying that well, Rogla could have done something about it, for not be there. Sure. He shouldn't have been at the front, middle or at the back ... Jeez.
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Yes you can say that it's out of Rogla's control and there's nothing he can do about it and then have your annual dose of despair every July...

I'm saying it's not out of his control and there's many things he can still try to improve while waiting for "governing bodies" to "start implementing injury preventing measures". Is it totally in his control? Of course not. But don't tell me nothing can be done from his (or his team's) side to get a better outcome. Until I see him regularly at the front of those nervous stages, there's always room for improvement. Until I see 5 teammates around him at all times...

You know when was the last time Rogla rode at the front the entire Tour being surrounded by his teammates? 2020 Tour. The one he didn't crash...
 
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The simple fact is that if Roglic was in better position when he attacked on the short climb, then he would have been alone and won the stage.
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The other simple fact is that people are debating a simple racing incident where 2 riders were sprinting next to each other, fighting for one wheel, touched and one rider came down

Neither rider did something really dodgy and neither rider should be carrying some king of blame

The only reason people are still debating it is because of Roglic's own stupid statements after the race. There was no need for that
 
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Unfortunately i don't see it and i agree that at least future Rogličes should have such luxury. Measures implemented for greater injury prevention in the pro peloton. Rogla will still have to win the Tour in old fashioned and messy way. On where Rogla and his team only have partial control over injury prevention, chances for injury to occur being much greater than not to occur. Obviously the same can be said for all other members of the pro peloton. Best to accept this and not to waste unneeded energy over it or to stress about it too much.

Rogličes cougar like abilities, that will eventually get him through the Tour again. And from there on it's easy, like riding a bike.

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Nop. It needed to be talked about and Rogla did have a point. Next time use brakes and result to relegation. Like van Aert did instead of crashing Philipsen out and sending him to hospital. This needs to be made clear, again and again, that such behavioural change is a must in modern pro peloton.

As for the blame part i agree that some people are so caught up with the blaming part that it clouds their judgement. They feel like it threaten their existence if they look beyond the blame game and instant justice. But OK, we can't solve all first world problems here. It's a cycling oriented forum after all.
 
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The other simple fact is that people are debating a simple racing incident where 2 riders were sprinting next to each other, fighting for one wheel, touched and one rider came down

Neither rider did something really dodgy and neither rider should be carrying some king of blame

The only reason people are still debating it is because of Roglic's own stupid statements after the race. There was no need for that
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Ok but there's context here. Roglic's statements obviously come from the place of deep frustration and at that time maybe he simply couldn't carry on without finding some other guy to blame. Visma said theselves he was pretty close to ending his career at that point and this was probably his way of keeping his mojo after the crash.

Would be nice of him to apologise, though....

@CyclistAbi what don't you see? Go look at TdF 2021 stage 3 and tell me that's the best way to stay on your bike. Being in the middle of the pack without any teammate within 10 meters on a nervous start to the Tour on a notoriously dangerous and narrow roads of Bretagne... This year, this exact same pattern happened many many times. I couln't look at that s***. I was yelling at the TV: "get to the front, you morons!"... Until finally, he fell again...
 
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Rogla at the Tour 2025. On where i guess both Rogla and Wright can kiss and hug and admire each other achievements. Apologising over the beer, on how silly they both acted. Together with Opi & Omi, Sonny, haybale, Lutsenko, fans ...
 
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What would have happened if Wright crashed instead of Roglic?
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Then Wright would likely be off the hook. As he would have been the victim here. Especially if he would try to use his brakes, before contact and especially if there would be intent detected, from Rogličes side.

But as a knee in the handlebar was used, instead of using brakes, and as no real intent was detected, from the Rogličes side. And due to Rogla crashing, it was the right thing to do, to call out Wright. As he was not the victim here and could have done more, to prevent the crash. It was ultimately his decision and he choose the knee in the handlebar. Instead of choosing brakes and resulting to relegation after.

So people calling out Rogla, on how he should apologize here. Get real. You can always get kneed, and lets see it then, you apologizing.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Hoepfully you guys can stop the utter meaningless discussion about whose fault it was that Roglic crashed TWO YEARS AGO and discuss something else now! HOPEFULLY. If not, Im gonna apply to be a moderator and delete all these useless posts and get on with life.

Rogla is back! But at what strength?
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Clearly Fred Wright did nothing wrong in this instance as he had positioned himself just behind Van Poppel and Roglič had no right to take that position…
 
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QueenStagiaire said:
We need more moderators!
Clearly Fred Wright did nothing wrong in this instance as he had positioned himself just behind Van Poppel and Roglič had no right to take that position…
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You can always apply for the job. And then if there is anything wrong with the discussion, please act. As for your opinion, yeah, it sounds like another quick blaming and instant justice attempt. A sort of knee-jerk reaction to it.

Anyway. Feel free to have your own opinion.
 
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AFAIK Vuelta hasn't started yet. And it was a valid question, we haven't done that variant before. What if Wright would have crashed. It deserved an answer. As that was a plausible outcome too, often seen in pro peloton.
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it's time to stop now, dogg. i just wanted to waste some of red_flanders' time after he decided he just had to show off how Smart he was by showing off how he agreed with one of the most agreed upon angles in cycling history.
 
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OK guys i hear you, lets put it behind us then and rejoice. And note that Rogla is always open to it, if Omi & Opi, Sonny, haybale, Lucenko, Wright ... wants to approach and shake hands or hug. Or for example to ask on how are you doing. That was never a problem, fell free to do that.

So lets do Vuetla now. Is Wright also participating this year?
 
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QueenStagiaire said:
We need more moderators!
Clearly Fred Wright did nothing wrong in this instance as he had positioned himself just behind Van Poppel and Roglič had no right to take that position…
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It's pretty funny how many conversations have posts removed by the moderator under the premise of them not being "constructive" and this crap is allowed to go on and on. 🤷‍♂️
 
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