Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Rackham]

I've seen a few comments here and there about how Rog didn't respond immediately to attacks yesterday and some gaps opened up.

Call it copium but from a tactical point of view if you're letting the others pull you away from O'Connor and create a gap, it makes 'sense' to tempo back onto the wheels because if he jumped immediately, Mas would stop attacking.

That's how I see it anyway (I'm posting this because Chris Horner thinks Rog suffered on Covadonga).

 

[Berniece]

I've seen a few comments here and there about how Rog didn't respond immediately to attacks yesterday and some gaps opened up.

Call it copium but from a tactical point of view if you're letting the others pull you away from O'Connor and create a gap, it makes 'sense' to tempo back onto the wheels because if he jumped immediately, Mas would stop attacking.

That's how I see it anyway (I'm posting this because Chris Horner thinks Rog suffered on Covadonga).

I think that makes sense, I also don’t really expect big changes anymore. He’s fully in control, the rest is already focused on 2nd place, he can just cruise along

 

[MLKarlos]

I think that makes sense, I also don’t really expect big changes anymore. He’s fully in control, the rest is already focused on 2nd place, he can just cruise along

I also agree here. I think he didnt throw all in and kept some power just to follow the others. I think Chris Horner exagerates a bit in his stage review

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

One never knows. Roglic has a way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

And vice versa. Roglic never takes the easy path.

 

[bNator]

And vice versa. Roglic never takes the easy path.

Now that I've thought about it, vice versa is much more common for him. Giro 2023, Vuelta 2020, Tirreno 2019 (or was it 2018, the one he won against Yates), Dauphine 2024, Itzulia 2021 & 2018, P-N 2022 (snatched victory from the jaws of defeat) against Tour 2020 and PN 2021 (defeat fromthe jaws of victory). By the way - these were actually all races with last stage drama for Rogla. And I probably forgot a couple... He's like Hitchcock of cycling.

 

[Gratemans]

Now that I've thought about it, vice versa is much more common for him. Giro 2023, Vuelta 2020, Tirreno 2019 (or was it 2018, the one he won against Yates), Dauphine 2024, Itzulia 2021 & 2018, P-N 2022 (snatched victory from the jaws of defeat) against Tour 2020 and PN 2021 (defeat fromthe jaws of victory). By the way - these were actually all races with last stage drama for Rogla. And I probably forgot a couple... He's like Hitchcock of cycling.

If that's true, that doesn't really bode well for this Vuelta... 😰

 

[bNator]

If that's true, that doesn't really bode well for this Vuelta... 😰

I fully expect another dose of catharsis to be honest... Not to be a doomsayer, but statistically it's highly likely there will be a moment when we all think his Vuelta is lost. Luckily, it's also highly likely it won't be.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Just has to win next year to be solo record holder.

It would be kind of funny and ironic, if Heras one day got awarded Aitor González's 2002 victory, but it's probably not very likely to happen.

 

[Gratemans]

I fully expect another dose of catharsis to be honest... Not to be a doomsayer, but statistically it's highly likely there will be a moment when we all think his Vuelta is lost. Luckily, it's also highly likely it won't be.

It's just... if anybody would ask me "Is there any way Mas will ever win a Vuelta?" my answer would be "Sure, if Roglic crashes out"
Ah we'll see. Landa or Mas taking it would be fine with me as well, but not by Roglic crashing out. Some exciting days ahead, that's for sure.

 

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[Netserk]

I've seen a few comments here and there about how Rog didn't respond immediately to attacks yesterday and some gaps opened up.

Call it copium but from a tactical point of view if you're letting the others pull you away from O'Connor and create a gap, it makes 'sense' to tempo back onto the wheels because if he jumped immediately, Mas would stop attacking.

That's how I see it anyway (I'm posting this because Chris Horner thinks Rog suffered on Covadonga).

Yeah, he also looked untroubled to me. He emphatically won the race de facto on Ancares, and now he can hang back and monitor the situation, minimising risks. He has been the most aggressive contender in at least 5 stages and it has paid off. Another stage win would be nice, but he is not in a position where he needs to force anything.

It was the same on Llomena. Mas made his move, Rogla checked the situation out and how others reacted, and then he easily bridged across to Mas.

 

[Potomac]

Roglic may in fact be slightly weaker than in years past, however he seems to be riding a lot smarter.

 

[bNator]

Roglic may in fact be slightly weaker than in years past, however he seems to be riding a lot smarter.

I don’t see where he is weaker except perhaps compared to 2021 edition. He is definitely stronger than 2020 and 2022 editions. I think he’s on par with 2019 edition and as per 2023 he certainly looks stronger now but we’ll never know how much he held back those stages before Angliru. If he doesn’t get dropped in the remaining 2 mountain stages, then the way I see it, this will be at least his second strongest performance so far…

 

[staubsauger]

I don’t see where he is weaker except perhaps compared to 2021 edition. He is definitely stronger than 2020 and 2022 editions. I think he’s on par with 2019 edition and as per 2023 he certainly looks stronger now but we’ll never know how much he held back those stages before Angliru. If he doesn’t get dropped in the remaining 2 mountain stages, then the way I see it, this will be at least his second strongest performance so far…

Roglic didn't look particularly stronger during the 2023 Giro d'Italia, apart from Lussari.

His 2021 Vuelta a Espana was a whole other level of course!


Not so sure about the 2019 Vuelta a Espana though. It's 5 years ago. Pogacar wasn't who he is yet. Valverde wasn't who he had been anymore. Still Roglic looked quite impressive beating them.

 

[bNator]

Roglic didn't look particularly stronger during the 2023 Giro d'Italia, apart from Lussari.

His 2021 Vuelta a Espana was a whole other level of course!


Not so sure about the 2019 Vuelta a Espana though. It's 5 years ago. Pogacar wasn't who he is yet. Valverde wasn't who he had been anymore. Still Roglic looked quite impressive beating them.

My reasoning for 2019 Vuelta was that he looked quite vulnerable on some stages in the beginning of the race. Observatorio and Andorra stages come to mind… on the other hand, he had a really awesome TT that year and stage where he went with Pog was Great as well…

 

[Hugh Januss]

Yeah, he also looked untroubled to me. He emphatically won the race de facto on Ancares, and now he can hang back and monitor the situation, minimising risks. He has been the most aggressive contender in at least 5 stages and it has paid off. Another stage win would be nice, but he is not in a position where he needs to force anything.

It was the same on Llomena. Mas made his move, Rogla checked the situation out and how others reacted, and then he easily bridged across to Mas.

I think that's it in a nutshell. He doesn't need any more time on anyone to win it in the time trial. Besides he heard a lot of the haters here were visibly suffering with the lack of Roglic wheelsucking so he is trying to lessen their burden. That's just the kind of guy Primos is, a giver.

 

[Berniece]

I don’t see where he is weaker except perhaps compared to 2021 edition. He is definitely stronger than 2020 and 2022 editions. I think he’s on par with 2019 edition and as per 2023 he certainly looks stronger now but we’ll never know how much he held back those stages before Angliru. If he doesn’t get dropped in the remaining 2 mountain stages, then the way I see it, this will be at least his second strongest performance so far…

I don't feel he's stronger compared to how he was riding at the Tour this year for example, or Vuelta last year

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don't feel he's stronger compared to how he was riding at the Tour this year for example, or Vuelta last year

We didn't see anything from him in the Tour. We don't know how good he was in the high mountains.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

We didn't see anything from him in the Tour. We don't know how good he was in the high mountains.

I mostly agree we didn’t see enough from him to assess. He was clearly getting better as the Tour progressed however, which fit his stated strategy to peak in the third week. I think it’s likely that he is correct in saying that the first two places were out of reach but he would have battled Remco for third. Impossible to know though. And tough to compare Ancares with the only time we saw anything from him in the Tour: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2024/stage-11

 

[Cookster15]

We didn't see anything from him in the Tour. We don't know how good he was in the high mountains.

We had small tastes. Was a downhill finish but Roglic finished with Remco and Ayuso and ahead of Vingegaard on the Galibier stage 4. There was also stage 11 and his TT on stage 7 suggests he was on near to top form.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Rog can now let the race come to him.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHyxPIh3c5w

 

[Peyroteo94]

We had small tastes. Was a downhill finish but Roglic finished with Remco and Ayuso and ahead of Vingegaard on the Galibier stage 4. There was also stage 11 and his TT on stage 7 suggests he was on near to top form.

He struggled to follow Almeida and Ayuso on Galibier. That performance was not a good indicator at all.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Technically Rogla doesn't need to do that but somehow i feel that he will try to add a bit more on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, likely to be rather exposed on Saturday.

 

[SHAD0W93]

We had small tastes. Was a downhill finish but Roglic finished with Remco and Ayuso and ahead of Vingegaard on the Galibier stage 4. There was also stage 11 and his TT on stage 7 suggests he was on near to top form.

You make it sound like Vinegaard finished with Almeida and Landa or worse on stage 4. Roglic was struggling on the climb but looked to be getting better every stage. Definitely would have given Evenepoel a run for his money for third.

 

[Gratemans]

Technically Rogla doesn't need to do that but somehow i feel that he will try to add a bit more on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, likely to be rather exposed on Saturday.

If he would make that same mistake again I'd be livid.
"Keep calm and TT the *** ouf that TT" is what his DS's should be telling him right now.
He's probably more experienced in riding Vueltas then all his DC's combined anyway. So just let him do his thing.