Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Red Rick]

Cadel Evans 2010 double ended in disaster and he still won the next year at an older age. I’m sure Roglic could win nexts year giro or Veulta

Geraint Thomas did a frigging resurence in 2022 at an older age than Cuddles.

If Rog wants I'm sure he can do 1 or 2 GTs really well in 2026.

 

[Rackham]

I maintain yesterday would have gone better if he'd had Sepp Kuss de la grande époque to pace him on Hautacam.

The way the race unfolded was really detrimental to him when he's in life preserver mode. Yeah Lipowitz was totally right to chase his own result and good luck to him but the material point is Rog always rode better on bad days with a wingman there to help him. Meanwhile leaving him out "in the sticks" with 7km to go and guys attacking him with zero support was always going to end badly.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I maintain yesterday would have gone better if he'd had Sepp Kuss de la grande époque to pace him on Hautacam.

The way the race unfolded was really detrimental to him when he's in life preserver mode. Yeah Lipowitz was totally right to chase his own result and good luck to him but the material point is Rog always rode better on bad days with a wingman there to help him. Meanwhile leaving him out "in the sticks" with 7km to go and guys attacking him with zero support was always going to end badly.

Wasn't Lipowitz helping him in the first half of the climb? Maybe the pace was too high.

 

[Red Rick]

Wasn't Lipowitz helping him in the first half of the climb? Maybe the pace was too high.

I think Lipowitz just didn't really know what to do, I think they were trying to play the numbers, so Lipowitz stopped working instantly any time Roglic dropped 5 meters, which is pretty fair. Lipowitz just didn't have the acceleration to torch the other 2 earlier.

 

[CyclistAbi]

ATM i wouldn't put too much thought in next season and GT racing, Tour 2025 is now all there is to it. If having a bad leg day on a hill then team support hence isn't available. OK. Lets focus on good leg days and build on that. Today's ITT should normally suit Rogla very much, so lets see what the clock says at the end of it. As for the hills, Rogličes terrain is still to come and hence just about anything is still possible.

 

[Red Rick]

Mark my words.

Roglic will be closer to 7.0 W/kg than Pogacar today

 

[CyclistAbi]

Hard to predict anything to be honest, normally Rogla, Pogi and Jonas should do good, Remco IMHO not favourite for today. Lipo now being a favourite for today, as some seem to suggest, i am not sure about that. We'll see.

 

[Salvarani]

I look around the peloton and I see a lot of known names in there exploding all over this race. A few years ago Carlos Rodriguez was called a GT podium contender. Remember how he once mugged Pog and Vinge on Joux Plane? Seems like a lifetime ago. No injuries or crashes to explain the falloff either (like for Alaphilippe) but there's others as well, i.e. even a younger rider like Lenny Martinez who seems to have his FdJ form in this Tour has just been seriously underwhelming.

The point is this race has become way too fast to enter with half-baked form and sketchy values. He could have maybe gotten away with this sort of approach 4-5 years ago and podiumed but not now.

I believe that C Rod has had a lot of crashes actually.

And he usually gets better as the race goes on. I believe he could climb a few positions in GC this race still.

Lenny seems to be very inconsistent. He is young, but also a tiny climber guy. I guess the first week has been kind of hard on him. He will have good and bad days.

 

[Ancalagon]

Hard to predict anything to be honest, normally Rogla, Pogi and Jonas should do good, Remco IMHO not favourite for today. Lipo now being a favourite for today, as some seem to suggest, i am not sure about that. We'll see.

A lot seems predictable today: Pogacar will take the stage, and Roglic will finish behind Vingegaard.

 

[dazaau]

Mark my words.

Roglic will be closer to 7.0 W/kg than Pogacar today

Does this mean what one usually expects it to mean, or does this suggest you expect 6.3 from Roglic and 7.9 from Pog

 

[Red Rick]

Does this mean what one usually expects it to mean, or does this suggest you expect 6.3 from Roglic and 7.9 from Pog

Yes.

Climb should be like 20 minutes I expect Rog can still do 6.8 range fresh while Pog goes north of 7.2

 

[dazaau]

Yes.

Climb should be like 20 minutes I expect Rog can still do 6.8 range fresh while Pog goes north of 7.2

I'm curious if that crash catches up with Pog a bit more today. My legs hurt just thinking about those numbers.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Of course those years are behind him, he won 3 grand tours after that and not on boni seconds.

Indeed. Which brings us back to my previous post which this post was referencing. It would greatly depend on opposition. Now take a look at those 3 grand tours he won, and against who he won them.

When we see these younger stars and big names struggling for xyz reasons I think it really puts everything in perspective, i.e. there's a point when we just have to take a step back and say "Rog is nearly 36". I mean... if G Thomas gets to ride around France like a tourist I think Rog should be cut some slack.

It has nothing to do with cutting Rog some slack. It's simply about being realistic. Each your it will become more and more difficult, indeed Rog is nearly 36. That was part of my point.

 

[Gargamel35]

What a bunch of doomers. He came to Tour not prepared at all to actually finish it. And after hard stages and heavy climbing stage he's 7th. Not counting 2 aliens, he's 5th best GC guy. At 36, when all others are a lot younger. He's riding with a smile too.

That is fantastic.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

What a bunch of doomers. He came to Tour not prepared at all to actually finish it. And after hard stages and heavy climbing stage he's 7th. Not counting 2 aliens, he's 5th best GC guy. At 36, when all others are a lot younger. He's riding with a smile too.

That is fantastic.

Your bar is too low for a top 50 all time rider.

 

[Rackham]

Your bar is too low for a top 50 all time rider.

If we really want some positivity we should compare top 50 all time riders... at nearly 36 years old.

I reckon that might put some of this in perspective.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

To be clear, I’m by no means trying to rag on him. I think it’s clearly bad luck (Giro crashes were not his fault; illness was not his fault) and IMO a poor decision to go to the Tour while not in shape to contend, effectively causing this year to be more or less a flop in terms of palmares.

 

[AmRacer]

To be clear, I’m by no means trying to rag on him. I think it’s clearly bad luck (Giro crashes were not his fault; illness was not his fault) and IMO a poor decision to go to the Tour while not in shape to contend, effectively causing this year to be more or less a flop in terms of palmares.

I think Rogla wants to do the Tour, and make it to Paris.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Roglic with a good first checkpoint time and almost no coverage.

 

[Berniece]

Nice ITT, if he keeps developing like this, he will finish on the podium

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

I’m just happy with any solid result he has at this stage.

 

[Salvarani]

 

[Rackham]

Form is temporary, class is permanent. Go Rog. Top 3 on the day, best of the rest.

 

[Red Rick]

We are SOBEK BOYS. He is associated with Denial Crocodile

 

[acm]

So we are back, huh. At least for today Grande Rogla!