Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Samu Cuenca]

Let's hope he recovers quickly and avoids any feta accidents.

 

[hfer07]

The look on his face when he laid on the floor with all the injuries said it all. I knew already it was going to be a non started next day. What a bittersweet feeling after such brilliant attack to finish in his very own demise in the most unconceivable way...

Get well Champion, because the World of Pro-cycling needs you back

 

[Kwibus]

Same can certainly be said for Extinctions statements as if they are fact, LMAO. He obviously doesn't follow Rogla's own updates on other media the way some of us do.
Rogla was certainly NOT "He was in excellent shape" as stated for whatever Extinctions motives are. He was Off the bike for weeks and had a very short time on the bike to prep.

Roglic certainly didn't have a good prepararion, but somehow he does show up with good enough form to fight for GC which is just crazy. His base is so good, amazing.

 

[Extinction]

Roglic certainly didn't have a good prepararion, but somehow he does show up with good enough form to fight for GC which is just crazy. His base is so good, amazing.

But you must consider the distinct possiblity that the stated severity of his Tour injuries was inflated at the time; that is the team preserved him whilst still useful at the Tour to then bulf for the Vuelta. How else can his win on stage four be explained?! I mean, come on. In any case, why should Roglic or JV have invested in him any more at the Tour when Vingegaard was clearly in control?

 

[CyclistAbi]

On the other hand, the Sierra Nevada stage showed that he wasn't growing stronger than Evenepoel and that Evenepoel was not fading, as many people assumed, but that the stage prior was simply due to his crash.

Does this seem fair to everybody? I think it seems fair. And i also think that's how it was.

Evenepoel got Roglstomped on stage 15. Just get over it.

P.S. What Evenepoel was capable of doing is he survived the full blown attack at the being of the ultimate climb. On the hardest section. That is fair to say.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Evenepoel got Roglstomped on stage 15. Just get over it.

Of course it's still a possibility that Mas is actually the tortoise in this story.

 

[Carols]

Roglic certainly didn't have a good prepararion, but somehow he does show up with good enough form to fight for GC which is just crazy. His base is so good, amazing.

Indeed he has aways been able to hold great base form. He's like a great racehorse that once is fit can maintain High base form. A Thoroughbred is Primoz!

EDIT: And he was literally building form despite being tired each day, he needed those miles in his legs.

 

[CyclistAbi]

It's rather amazing indeed. Although he didn't get much out of this season. In regards to GT racing. He would likely podium on two GTs this season. His base level is just above the rest. Thinking about it more. He did get something out of it. His 2020 defeat isn't dangling up there anymore. As there will always be stage 11 of TDF 2022. To balance it out. Hence this is settled now and the future is again a clean slate.

As for the future. The question i guess is can he grow in this team. Can the team still grow with him. In that case to continue with that. Or was this it. And a step back will need to be taken. To try to move two forwards.

We'll see.

 

[Extinction]

Evenepoel got Roglstomped on stage 15. Just get over it.

P.S. What Evenepoel was capable of doing is he survived the full blown attack at the being of the ultimate climb. On the hardest section. That is fair to say.

Are you serious or just trolling? Roglic only gained on stage 15 because Evenepoel was hurting from the crash, but go on.

 

[Oldermanish]

Of course it's still a possibility that Mas is actually the tortoise in this story.

Not after the Movistar waste of energy today. Much thrashing for a meh counter by Mas.

 

[Miha81]

Of course it's still a possibility that Mas is actually the tortoise in this story.

He won't. Most mediocre and uninspiring team of last decade. Probably satisfied with 2nd. Mission accomplished

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

But you must consider the distinct possiblity that the stated severity of his Tour injuries was inflated at the time; that is the team reserved him whilst still useful at the Tour to then bulf for the Vuelta. How else can his win on stage four be explained?! I mean, come on.

It was perfectly suited to him, didn’t require a major aerobic effort that might need more of a base, and the competition for that type of stage was incredibly week. Remco had terrible positioning. Roglic handled it perfectly.

Are you serious or just trolling? Roglic only gained on stage 15 because Evenepoel was hurting from the crash, but go on.

So Roglic was not impacted by his severe crash in the Tour and then a month of recovery, but Remco was affected by his crash? I would argue both were likely affected but there is also precedence for people crashing as badly or worse than Remco and going on to win the GT so the our losing time anywhere and for someone to crash out of the Tour and go on to win the Vuelta. So I dunno guess this is just a waste of time.

 

[Red Rick]

But you must consider the distinct possiblity that the stated severity of his Tour injuries was inflated at the time; that is the team reserved him whilst still useful at the Tour to then bulf for the Vuelta. How else can his win on stage four be explained?! I mean, come on. In any case, why should Roglic nor JV have invested in him any more at the Tour when Vingegaard was clearly in control?

Stage 4 wasn't even a VO2 max effort, and a pretty lacklustre field for a 1km 9% finish

 

[Extinction]

It was perfectly suited to him, didn’t require a major aerobic effort that might need more of a base, and the competition for that type of stage was incredibly week. Remco had terrible positioning. Roglic handled it perfectly.
So Roglic was not impacted by his severe crash in the Tour and then a month of recovery, but Remco was affected by his crash? I would argue both were likely affected but there is also precedence for people crashing as badly or worse than Remco and going on to win the GT so the our losing time anywhere and for someone to crash out of the Tour and go on to win the Vuelta. So I dunno guess this is just a waste of time.

I don't think Roglic's Tour crash is relevant to Remco's at the Vuelta in terms of actual impact on performance during stage 15.

 

[Extinction]

Stage 4 wasn't even a VO2 max effort, and a pretty lacklustre field for a 1km 9% finish

But the only riders that have a fighting chance at beating that Roglic on that finish are MAYBE a top shape Alaphilippe or Pogacar. So, no, the field wasn't weak and let's not forget that a World Tour Vuelta isn't inferior to the form of those at the Tour, only the pressure is different.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Giro, Vuelta & hilly monuments should be the target. The TDF is just painful memories and with riders taking lot of risk there, the probability of crashing again is too high.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Extinction

As there was some discussion about preparation. And you seem to far stretch it even further. The fact is Evenepoel preparing for Vuelta through the whole year. Last three months or so intensively. Doing the altitude trainings. And Roglič, although his base is high, training for like 14 days in subpar conditions. Claiming this doesn't matter like at all. And then wondering why you are not taken seriously.

Bottom line. If in the end even @Logic-is-your-friend can cope with it. With a bit of Roglstomp in the life. You will manage too.

 

[Extinction]

@Extinction

As there was some discussion about preparation. And you seem to far stretch it even further. The fact is Evenepoel preparing for Vuelta through the whole year. Last three months or so intensively. Doing the altitude trainings. And Roglič, although his base is high, training for like 14 days in subpar conditions. Claiming this doesn't matter like at all. And then wondering why you are not taken seriously.

Bottom line. If in the end even @Logic-is-your-friend can cope with it. With a bit of Roglstomp in the life. You will manage too.

I could not care less about whether or not Roglic bases his whole preparation on the Vuelta. It is his and his team's choice. The only thing that matters is current form and his was quite high. End of story. Could it have been higher? Perhaps, but anything else is mere speculation. If this puts me in the ridiculous category, then we can wait and see over the next years. But don't come back crying, but IF Roglic hadn't fallen in the Tour he'd have won this Vuelta. And Roglstomp has unfortunately usually been victim to getting stomped, one way or another.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Extinction

For sure.

P.S. In my opinion better to no go focus on cyclist such as Mas and the youngsters.

 

[Extinction]

@Extinction

For sure.

P.S. In my opinion better to no go focus on cyclist such as Mas and the youngsters.

Anyone is free to focus on the cyclist of choice, even if your wording isn't entirely clear. And I've admired the Slovenian, even having always been perplexed that not one but two phenomenons come out of a country with no more than 2 million people and not a rich cycling heritage. The Fates evidently work wonders.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Extinction

I agree with you that anyone can do that. Still claims such as it doesn't really matter on how you prepared for a GT. You ought agree on that this is a bit far stretching it. But OK. It won't be the end of the world if you don't agree with that. And after we discussed it in depth we can still move on just fine.

 

[IndurainsTdF1994]

Of course it's still a possibility that Mas is actually the tortoise in this story.

You gotta admit that the tortoise DOES look like him.

 

[Gargamel35]

Anyone is free to focus on the cyclist of choice, even if your wording isn't entirely clear. And I've admired the Slovenian, even having always been perplexed that not one but two phenomenons come out of a country with no more than 2 million people and not a rich cycling heritage. The Fates evidently work wonders.

It hurts that small country with "no cycling heritage" produces 2 guys that kick ass all Belgium guys year after year. You are so salty that it's already pathetic.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You gotta admit that the tortoise DOES look like him.

Now that you mentioned it. Looking at the rabbit ...

 

[CyclistAbi]

As for the Slovenians. This year 0 GTs for Slovenians. Unless Polanc snatches one. But some deeper issues in my opinion did get resolved. Hence next year if the decision will be to give more leeway to Rogla or Jonas. Or to Pogi or Remco.

Likely choosing more smartly indeed does make sense.