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[acm]

If he finishes the Giro injury-free, then I think he is more likely to go to the Tour after an overall victory than a defeat.

We'll see, huh?
Maybe he's just playing some mind games with UAE...

 

[tobydawq]

Why are people saying he will do the Tour? He will not.

When did Jumbo ever lie about a schedule?

 

[Elos Anjos]

I have said it before. Rogla should go all or nothing Giro-Tour double and enter the pantheon of cycling gods.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Now official, it‘s only Catalunya before Giro.

Light program. So Catalunya, Giro, and then even to the Tour?

Only seven race days before May, and then a busy summer, maybe? Sounds good…

 

[CyclistAbi]

What is currently more or less set in stone is to do only Catlunya and Giro. What comes after that. To be decided after the Giro.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Only 24 days left to go.

 

[CyclistAbi]

 

[Extinction]

There is so much nuckleheadedness here that it's not worth mentioning. However, does Horner really think the younger Vingegaard does not have a margin for further improvement, as, for that matter, Evenepoel at the Giro? In that case we should see even more power from him, Vingegaard, at the Tour, which will be hard to deal with. Not to take anything away from Roglic, but the guy has never done a Granon performance and is past 30. I thus don't foresee him capable of winning a double, when he has yet to win either one or the other.

 

[Red Rick]

There is so much nuckleheadedness here that it's not worth mentioning. However, does Horner really think the younger Vingegaard does not have a margin for further improvement, as, for that matter, Evenepoel at the Giro? In that case we should see even more power from him, Vingegaard, at the Tour, which will be hard to deal with. Not to take anything away from Roglic, but the guy has never done a Granon performance and is past 30. I thus don't foresee him capable of winning a double, when he has yet to win either one or the other.

I'm very sceptical about Pogacar and Vingegaard improving much on the 2022 Tour. Evenepoel I'm also mildly sceptical on but he's more likely to improve on his Vuelta level than Pogi and Vingo are.

That's not to say I think Roglic' best can win the 2022 Tour. Like I believe he's miles ahead of Thomas, but how close he would be to Pogacar and Vingegaard is a hard question, but given the height of the level they had, I think the better default assumption is that Rog would struggle a bit, especially if he tried to follow Vingegaard.

 

[Extinction]

I'm very sceptical about Pogacar and Vingegaard improving much on the 2022 Tour. Evenepoel I'm also mildly sceptical on but he's more likely to improve on his Vuelta level than Pogi and Vingo are.

That's not to say I think Roglic' best can win the 2022 Tour. Like I believe he's miles ahead of Thomas, but how close he would be to Pogacar and Vingegaard is a hard question, but given the height of the level they had, I think the better default assumption is that Rog would struggle a bit, especially if he tried to follow Vingegaard.

Vingegaard answered today that he is a beast, is lean and mean at the start of the season. I thus think he will be stronger this Tour than last.

 

[Red Rick]

Vingegaard answered today that he is a beast, is lean and mean at the start of the season. I thus think he will be stronger this Tour than last.

Being better earlier doesn't mean a higher peak per se.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Extinction

I actually agree on most points Horner made.

On how realistic it is for Roglič to do Tour after Giro. Winning Giro would in my opinion open up this possibility. We'll see. But for now i don't feel Tour or Vuelta talks make all that much sense. For now it makes sense to train. Then comes the Catalunya. After obviously the Giro. This two races hold the keys to the future.

As for Pogi and Jonas progressing in 2023. There is no special need for that. Once Roglič abandoned the Tour realistically nobody could touch them. They don't technically need to progress any further. And i doubt they will. At least not in some big leap. As for the Evenpoel. If not sooner then third week of Giro should tell. If he is already up there with mentioned cyclists. Or not. As Vuleta 2022 was a rather special circumstances race and it would be hard to make strong conclusions from it.

And you have to understand even if Roglič wins Giro-Tour double in 2023 season. Some people would still act wonky. Like lets say the whole 2022 season aftermath. Going by that alone one could believe Roglič retired. Well. We'll see about that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

As for the Giro. What might happen is some great climbers not to target it. Due to so much emphasis on ITT. And the other two GT's more oriented toward climbing. Hence it will really be important to do good in ITT. Here i see up to five GC oriented cyclists capable of doing a good ITT. And out of that 5 i feel that Roglič likely is the best climber. Then it will be crucial on how his team will support him. Will he get 2/3 climb of a support (or up) or not. Here his team did let him down on numerous occasions in the past. Lots of room for improvement. On paper the team is not bad. If JV wants Roglič at the Tour. Then in my opinion they should make sure the Giro team will be top notch. Happy Roglič. Tour Roglič.

We'll see.

 

[Red Rick]

I'm a bit confused where the double talk comes from still. Jumbo seemed pretty clear Roglic is going Giro/Vuelta.

Meanwhile, previewers of All In saying that Dumoulin and Roglic are the main highlights of the show.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Roglič had a short interview for local media a couple of days back. He was asked if he will go to the Tour in 2023. He didn't say yes. But at the same time he didn't say no either. To be determined after the Giro.

 

[Netserk]

Jumbo seemed pretty clear Roglic is going Giro/Vuelta.

Source? Not what they said during the team presentation in December.

 

[Red Rick]

Source? Not what they said during the team presentation in December.

Team presentation was all about Giroglic and Vingegaard for Tour. I don't remember where but in one interview I think they were pretty clear about winning the Vuelta with Roglic being an important goal.

I really think Giro + Vuelta is plan A. I don't think they'll bring him to the Tour if he doesn't have winning chances at the Tour.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I don't feel one could find a definite answer in some source at this moment. In regards to the season after the Giro. Said that Giro-Vuelta double can indeed be considered to be more official plan. Compared to Giro-Tour double.

We can ask ourself. Does JV need Roglič at the Tour? The outcome of races such as PN and Giro. Do they play any role? How much effort was invested and what was the result?

Personally i would give it 1% chance at this moment. For the Giro-Tour double attempt.

From my point of view chances would increase if Jonas would struggle at PN. If Roglič would win Giro. If medium level of effort would be needed and recovery wouldn't be an issue ... But that is a lot of ifs. We'll see.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Chris Horner is a bit annoying but often surprisingly astute. However, even as a Roglic fan, I don’t quite follow him here. He thinks the only person who can beat “a healthy, intelligent” Pogacar this year is Roglic, even though Vingegaard beat him last year. I know Pogi made some mistakes, but that was a very convincing performance from Vingegaard and we haven’t seen anything from Roglic since the 2021 Vuelta that indicates he is anywhere close.

Still, love to hear it.

 

[Oldermanish]

I'm a bit confused where the double talk comes from still. Jumbo seemed pretty clear Roglic is going Giro/Vuelta.

Meanwhile, previewers of All In saying that Dumoulin and Roglic are the main highlights of the show.

And a team should keep those players on the prospective start list if for no other reason than to milk publicity for their sponsors. That, and avoid the potential irritation of leTour's organization by declaring marquee' riders wouldn't be coming.

 

[Extinction]

Being better earlier doesn't mean a higher peak per se.

No, but he's in theory still in the upward trajectory of his career. Plus I get the sense that Jumbo-Visma knows what they are doing with him and have a plan to bring him into nuclear form come July.

 

[Extinction]

@Extinction
And you have to understand even if Roglič wins Giro-Tour double in 2023 season. Some people would still act wonky. Like lets say the whole 2022 season aftermath. Going by that alone one could believe Roglič retired. Well. We'll see about that.

No way is Roglic going to win the Giro-Tour double this year. If he wins the Giro, with that terrible third week, he won't be able to enter the Tour ready to beat a Vingegaard and Pogacar in top shape esclusively prepared for the Grand Bouclé. If it were lesser cyclists, maybe, but not those two, no way, no how. This is why I found Horner's statements to be patently absurd.

And this assumes he wins the Giro. Well, between Catalunya and Liege, we should see if Remco will have anything to say about that.

 

[bNator]

I believe the reason for all This TDF talk among Slovenian fans is the following segment, taken from his recent interview for Slovenian national television:

In hipotetično, če Primož Roglič dobro opravi z Dirko po Italiji, ali bi ga vseeno lahko videli tudi na startu Dirke po Franciji v Bilbau? "To bomo pa videli. Recimo, da smo prvič na Giru in ga zaključim ter potem gledamo dalje."

Or as Chat GPT puts it:
Hypothetically, if Primož Roglič performs well in the Giro d'Italia, could we still see him at the start of the Tour de France in Bilbao? "We'll see. Let's say we're at the Giro for the first time and we finish it, and then we'll see what's next."

Edit:
"for the first time" part of his answer makes as little sense in Slovenian as it does in English. I have no idea what he wanted to say... I'm guessing he wanted to say something like "Let's first go to the Giro and finish it...". But he didn't say that. What he said is not understandable to me.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@VayaVayaVaya

That i guess is the difference in between a rather superficial take on it. And on the other hand a more in depth take on it. One could say that Jonas has beat Pogi at the Tour 2022 and Roglič is now out of the GT picture. Due to the lack of statistical GT results in 2022 season. A more in depth analysis on the other hand could return some interesting observations. This is likely on what Horner is referring to. And on why he still considered Roglič to be top 2 GT rider in the peloton.

@Extinction

Yeah. That is on why i said currently the chance is likely at around 1%. A lot of things would need to happen. Some i mentioned earlier. And even then Roglič would likely be brought to the Tour as support for Jonas. But here i must say that he doesn't need to beat both Pogi and Jonas. For him to win the Tour. He only needs to beat Pogi. Having a strong cyclist like Jonas as your super dom after. That is always beneficial. So. Can Rogla beat Pogi on a GT? It wouldn't be the first time. In my opinion he can. But obviously if the Giro doesn't suck the life out of him. As at the Tour. If JV brings both. Pogi will still likely have to chose. If he will mark Jonas or Rogla. And who would you mark? A guy that beat you last year riding with a single leg. Or a rider with no real statistical GT results in previous season and on top of that with Giro already in his legs. The answer is clear.

 

[Red Rick]

I believe the reason for all This TDF talk among Slovenian fans is the following segment, taken from his recent interview for Slovenian national television:

In hipotetično, če Primož Roglič dobro opravi z Dirko po Italiji, ali bi ga vseeno lahko videli tudi na startu Dirke po Franciji v Bilbau? "To bomo pa videli. Recimo, da smo prvič na Giru in ga zaključim ter potem gledamo dalje."

Or as Chat GPT puts it:
Hypothetically, if Primož Roglič performs well in the Giro d'Italia, could we still see him at the start of the Tour de France in Bilbao? "We'll see. Let's say we're at the Giro for the first time and we finish it, and then we'll see what's next."

Edit:
"for the first time" part of his answer makes as little sense in Slovenian as it does in English. I have no idea what he wanted to say... I'm guessing he wanted to say something like "Let's first go to the Giro and finish it...". But he didn't say that. What he said is not understandable to me.

Think it's more likely an avoiding answer is a no than a yes tbh. Jumbo really love their grouped, samewinnen team prep way in advance, and they don't do a lot of Giro/Tour doubles. And I think to a Slovenian outlet, who probably would get hyped about him doing Giro/Tour it's more likely he'd say yes if it was in the plans than no if it really wasn't.