Man, Rog saying this publicly is a pretty big statement. I had my doubts about JV for many years in terms of how they support their, by far, biggest rider (Wout has not won anything of importance and Jonas only has one Tour helped by Rog). But after hearing/reading this I will (after a long time) be rooting for a team to crash and burn at the Tour. And I hope Primož changes teams as soon as possible (like even now mid season like Teuns).
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This. It’s a big statement for any rider - even moreso (pre-Wright) Rogla who will rather silently suffer than express his opinion. His team member (who obviously had in mind the press conf should be in English) sitting right next to him, mind you...
It must be extremely dissapointing for Primož. Just imagine being so prolific at any job as Rog is at cycling and not having the full support from your employer. Even second tier cyclists get to choose their calendar...
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But it's just not how it works really, if you make a plan with your team you can't really expect to last minute yolo the teams biggest objective of the year. Jumbo is just super rigid in planning as well, they announced like a month ahead Kelderman wouldn't make the Giro team. The only route for Roglic to do the Tour would have been Vingegaard getting injured in the Dauphine, and even then I'm not sure they'd have brought Roglic.Ok but he said so himself today. That he wanted to go to the Tour and couldn’t come to an agreement with his team. This is not just a speculation anymore…
Edit: I suspect Rogla's hard of hearing because me myself I'm hard of hearing and his lip reading attempts look all too familiar. And since I have not met the answer in question in any of the transcriptions, I went and checked again to make double sure I'm not misleading anyone. So I rewatched the tape and made the transcription myself.
In Slovenian:
Tako bom povedal, čisto odkrito. Nisem planiral Toura v letošnji sezoni. Konec koncev tudi nisem Tirrena planiral, pa sem potem vskočil. Recimo po končanem Giru sem tudi glede Toura, kako bi rekel, imel neko željo ali pa pomisleke da mogoče pa bi bilo fino še malo v Francijo it na "dopust" ampak ja - nismo mogli zaradi vseh okoliščin prit skupaj s timom in bo, tako kot sem rekel, moja naslednja dirka dirka po Španiji.
And translated by Chat GPT:
This is how I'll say it, completely honestly. I didn't plan a Tour in this season. In the end, I didn't even plan the Tirreno , but then I jumped in. Let's say, after finishing the Giro, I also had some desire or perhaps temptations about the Tour, thinking it would be nice to go to France for a "vacation," but yeah - due to all the circumstances, we couldn't come together with the team, so my next race, as I said (here Chat GPT clearly has no idea what they're talking about. Its "like I said" not "as I said"), will be the Vuelta a España.
So it's true his inital plan was the Giro. Here we are of course free to speculate he may have been forced by the team, but that's a mere speculation. But it is now a fact he changed his mind after the Giro and wanted to do the Tour but can't due to the team. As per what status he requested we are again free to speculate. I would however assume since he mentioned "vacation" it surely couldn't have been the sole leader role he was after...
Next year he'll easily walk into the TdF team.
That is why they will fail at their objective. You just cannot be rigid with your best rider. Just as a company cannot be rigid with their best employee.
If Primož leaves the team, as well as Jumbo, we will witness the beginning of the end of one of the best teams.
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I hope you are right but I'm skeptical. I think Rogla proved in 2020 he can do doubles more than fine with his Tour-Vuelta 2nd/1st. I understand Giro is no Vuelta, but can they really think he would be off his game to the point his spot would be considered wasted?
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Don't forget Vuelta only had 18 stages and he was fading (comparing to Carapaz) in the last mountain stage and was only saved by movistar. If we had at least one mountain stage (typical from GT's with 21 stages where there is always a mountain stage between 19-21), he probably would have lost.
Oh, I'm sure before you read this half-assed poorly translated remark by Roglic, which we don't really know what he meant by anyway, you'd have loved for them to do well at the Tour de France
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Roglic already have in the past, many chances to win the tour france. He should blame himself for not being able to win the tour. He lost the tour to pogacar in the end of the tour, he is always crashing, what the hell he wants? Vingegaard currently is a better GT rider than him. So, obviously vingegaard legimately is the undisputed leader for this year's tour. Roglic cannot want solo leadership in the tour, or a team exclusively working for him in the tour, after vingegaard won the tour 2022.
If vingegaard loses this year's tour, maybe Roglic has a chance legimately of being the leader of jumbo at tour 2024. If vingegaard wins this tour 2023 again, the tour france for Roglic at jumbo it's over. He should move to another team.
Jumbo staff is doing the right things.
If vingegaard loses this year's tour, maybe Roglic has a chance legimately of being the leader of jumbo at tour 2024. If vingegaard wins this tour 2023 again, the tour france for Roglic at jumbo it's over. He should move to another team.
Jumbo staff is doing the right things.
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I agree. But my point stands - it being he still would have been one of the strongest guys in TJV squad if he went on to race on the Tour. He could even make sure Pog never gets those boniseconds he will go after…
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Your post has no basis in anything that’s being discussed here or anything Rogla said today. I even doubt anyone disagrees with what you wrote - it’s just that no one was claiming what you supposedly reply to…
Well even though I am not Slovenian, I do understand the language a little bit, so yeah, I can glean what he wanted to say. Had Rog been the one diciding not to go to the Tour I would have been pretty neutral, just hoping for a good race. But now I am both disappointed and mad at JV, so I hope their rivals are much better then them.Oh, I'm sure before you read this half-assed poorly translated remark by Roglic, which we don't really know what he meant by anyway, you'd have loved for them to do well at the Tour de France
Do you think sponsors and fans like "arrogant mutant" who winning only Daufinea and TDF? And Wouts second places?
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I don’t appreciate you criticising the translation which was meant to be “poorly translated” as I wanted to distance myself from the content and affecting its intepretation. It was done by chat GPT which is well stated in my text. If you don’t like it, use a better source. I’m sure in this day and age there are tools that will satisfy your quality standards.Oh, I'm sure before you read this half-assed poorly translated remark by Roglic, which we don't really know what he meant by anyway, you'd have loved for them to do well at the Tour de France
Plus: What part exactly don't you understand? Please, provide some context and I'll do the translation for you. Though I doubt there's anything in the text that's not understandable even though it may be a bit "clumsy".
Sorry, I just don't understand some of you Roglic fans and your hate of Jumbo-Visma. Somehow you seem to think that they want to sabotage him or whatever. He's had every opportunity he wished for at that team, they can't help it that he's quite crash-prone and that he f.cked up the one chance he had of winning the Tour. Should they have brought him to the Tour this year you'd have demanded a free role, because poor Roglic never gets his due. I think the way they've done it this year has proven to be the right choice so far, so they've been vindicated.
Oh, I'm sure you've translated it correctly, but all I can say is that this means he's even more vague in Slovenian than he is in English. At least I can't tell what he really means, did he really want to go to the Tour or did he just entertain the idea?
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This is actually incorrect because he didn't get TdF leadership in 2019.
Geez.. he said he is happy with his team and so far he was able to do what he wanted with them. Sometime in future it might happen that this wont be the case anymore and then he might think about changing teams.
Stop making drama where there is none.
Stop making drama where there is none.
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It was definitely phrased more towards "entertaining the idea". But that's not the point. The phrasing was soft because the question was unpleasant. The point is that he didn't continue "and then I stopped entertaining it" or "but then I realised I could not accomplish my goals" or anything like that...
Jonas is now the best GT rider on the team and if Roglic wants a chance at winning the Tour he’ll have to go elsewhere. It’s not really anything to be overly upset about. Jumbo has done a lot of great things for him and they have to be honest that they’re going to prioritize their most likely candidate for a Tour win.
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That‘s precisely the idea. And there’s nothing wrong with TJV’s attitude towards Roglic. Of course they’ll do what they think is best for the team. I do happen to think the best thing for them is taking him to TDF. And that includes the fact he may want to leave if they don’t. Or be less motivated, which is almost as bad.
Anyway, I don’t think they’ve treated him unfairly or that they owe him anything. Ok maybe they do a bit. But he owes them too so that evens out. It’s just where do you go from here…
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I'm mostly disappointed he doesn't do the nationals. A rematch versus Pogi in the ITT on Pokljuka would be fantastic. The road race would be pretty great too. The only reason I can think of is that he wants to keep his 100% success rate late into the season and he doesn't want to give his opponents a chance to end it just yet.
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It doesn't seem like a rare rider opinion, does it? I mean, if you're capable of competing for a major win, in your later years why would you just stew in your juices and not attempt your goal?
It doesn't mean anything beyond that and as everyone is aware; they need more sponsors. So there's that too.
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